Procharger on Gen V Viper

[timberwolf]

OK I get that we have a low production vehicle which in turns challenges tuning shops vis a vis R&D cost to return ratios... Personally, I'd love to see an $8-10k Procharger kit for these cars like all the other domestics seem to have have. Nicely intercooled with a 6 to 8 psi setup and a canned tune would be a great starting point for the street and more boost for the insatiable enthusiast on race gas and internals.

Right now it's either $50k for a turbo kit or $30k plus for the Arrow kit. I would personally not want roots type blower torque to break traction... I think a Procharger would be a ton of fun, more affordable and easier on the car.

Any thoughts or ideas?

Greg

[donk_316]

SLEDGEHAMMER!!!

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[timberwolf]

SLEDGEHAMMER!!!

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I hear ya, but $30k plus is just too steep for me right now in one shot. Besides I only need a hammer...

[donk_316]

Oh I thought it was closer to $20k! It's supercharger for Christ sakes

[Steve M]

This topic comes up every once in a while, and it always ends with rumors of someone possibly working on a kit, but then nothing.

It should at least be possible at this point - there are guys getting turbo cars to run using the stock PCM with HPTuners, so a ProCharger should be a cake walk from a tuning standpoint. Even with that, it is still a matter of simple economics. The Viper aftermarket is incredibly small, so there is little chance of decent return on investment for a shop that could handle making a kit for the Gen 4/5 crowd. Hell...the only reason we have a tuning option available outside of Arrow is because the owner of HPTuners has a Viper and took a personal interest in getting it to work.

[timberwolf]

This topic comes up every once in a while, and it always ends with rumors of someone possibly working on a kit, but then nothing.

It should at least be possible at this point - there are guys getting turbo cars to run using the stock PCM with HPTuners, so a ProCharger should be a cake walk from a tuning standpoint. Even with that, it is still a matter of simple economics. The Viper aftermarket is incredibly small, so there is little chance of decent return on investment for a shop that could handle making a kit for the Gen 4/5 crowd. Hell...the only reason we have a tuning option available outside of Arrow is because the owner of HPTuners has a Viper and took a personal interest in getting it to work.

It's not like past generations haven't been supercharged. I remember seeing Paxton and Doug Levin making blowers for the first few gens. If anything, this car is better equipped for boost than any past gen! Let's go!

[Steve M]

It's not like past generations haven't been supercharged. I remember seeing Paxton and Doug Levin making blowers for the first few gens. If anything, this car is better equipped for boost than any past gen! Let's go!

Yes, but tuning options were more readily available for those earlier generations. Up until a couple years ago, there were no options to tune a Gen 4/5 Viper outside of going to a full standalone system.

[timberwolf]

Yes, but tuning options were more readily available for those earlier generations. Up until a couple years ago, there were no options to tune a Gen 4/5 Viper outside of going to a full standalone system.

All that's behind us now!!

[vegasgtr]

This topic comes up every once in a while, and it always ends with rumors of someone possibly working on a kit, but then nothing.

It should at least be possible at this point - there are guys getting turbo cars to run using the stock PCM with HPTuners, so a ProCharger should be a cake walk from a tuning standpoint. Even with that, it is still a matter of simple economics. The Viper aftermarket is incredibly small, so there is little chance of decent return on investment for a shop that could handle making a kit for the Gen 4/5 crowd. Hell...the only reason we have a tuning option available outside of Arrow is because the owner of HPTuners has a Viper and took a personal interest in getting it to work.

this^^^^^^

[HANKFAN]

I would be interested in a Paxton/Procharger kit myself. I honestly throught we would see a shop bring a kit to market by now. If the Arrow kit ends up being 30K then that should make a 15-20K Paxton/Procharger a bargain and create a strong demand.

[ViperSmith]

If people think it can so easily be done for $10k, why don't they contract with Procharger, pay for R&D, and make hay when the money starts pouring in?

[vegasgtr]

If people think it can so easily be done for $10k, why don't they contract with Procharger, pay for R&D, and make hay when the money starts pouring in?

No one said it was easy. we are saying that the shop that takes a Gen 3 s/c kit and modifies the bracket and placement they can sell 100-150 kits at 8-10k. tuner kit making 7psi. I would bet anything it sells like hot cakes.


cost would be 4k tops for parts. not a bad gig.

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[PaulP]

Todd at A&C Performance bought a gen v just for this! he's using a paxton, he is a paxton dealer and probably does the most paxtons on vipers, he's already 100k into it. its 100% happening.

[Acperformance]

Was hoping to have started on it this week, but thats busniess. Customer cars first. We should hopefully be getting started in the next few weeks. Lots of phone calla, quotes, and incoming and outgoing work seem to slow things up a bit, but yes....it is definitely underway with many parts already in hand, and it will be happening

I cant project a cost yet. Parts are one thing, R&D plus tooling is the ugly part. Our mind set is simple though...

When we complete the kit (although i'm sure others are doing it as well) it should be a nice affordable 750-1000rwhp setup. Ill make no promises as to what it will make, but it is going on our shop car so we will first get it up and running at low boost first. Assure all thr bugs are out, then ill turn up the boost to see what we can do. Stay tuned.

Todd

[ViperGeorge]

Was hoping to have started on it this week, but thats busniess. Customer cars first. We should hopefully be getting started in the next few weeks. Lots of phone calla, quotes, and incoming and outgoing work seem to slow things up a bit, but yes....it is definitely underway with many parts already in hand, and it will be happening

I cant project a cost yet. Parts are one thing, R&D plus tooling is the ugly part. Our mind set is simple though...

When we complete the kit (although i'm sure others are doing it as well) it should be a nice affordable 750-1000rwhp setup. Ill make no promises as to what it will make, but it is going on our shop car so we will first get it up and running at low boost first. Assure all thr bugs are out, then ill turn up the boost to see what we can do. Stay tuned.

Todd

Now, that's funny.

[Acperformance]

On another note I'll add this comment. I probably would not have commented much until we were further along. Or up and running. Thanks Paul But everybody should remember that its just cost output and time, manpower, and current workloads.

I feel that I have some of the best fabricators and technicians in the business, thats why It's a when, not an If, but also why we are always busy and it's hard to free up enough time to get everything done when we want. In addition, there are always people out there that comment regarding who's the best, who will do it, I will say this...

There are many shops! SPT, Viper specialty, RSI, D3, DLM, plus more that are all capable of these things and more. Heck Even the shops that are closed are still lurking around Dave Weaver (one of my close friends) is amazing. It's just not a matter of WHO can do it. It's just a matter of WHO will have the time to do it first. If it's A&C Performance, then it is, if not, well, it will still be coming from us shortly after

I have zero negative to say about others shops. In the past I have worked with many of them and all are great to me personally. On that note, I have to head into the shop now, Saturday morning while my family is asleep to finish working on some quotes!

[Acperformance]

Now, that's funny.

Actually wasn't meant that way I should have said "Check our Facebook in the next weeks to come as we will definitely post some progress photo's as we get started".

[ViperSmith]

Good luck

[Darius]

Good to hear Todd! Just hope Admir doesn't get a Viper! lol

[Bruce]

Was hoping to have started on it this week, but thats busniess. Customer cars first. We should hopefully be getting started in the next few weeks. Lots of phone calla, quotes, and incoming and outgoing work seem to slow things up a bit, but yes....it is definitely underway with many parts already in hand, and it will be happening

I cant project a cost yet. Parts are one thing, R&D plus tooling is the ugly part. Our mind set is simple though...

When we complete the kit (although i'm sure others are doing it as well) it should be a nice affordable 750-1000rwhp setup. Ill make no promises as to what it will make, but it is going on our shop car so we will first get it up and running at low boost first. Assure all thr bugs are out, then ill turn up the boost to see what we can do. Stay tuned.

Todd

I can see modifying my TA to 1000 WHP for street/airstrip runs, and use my $15K voucher on the new ACR for the track. So I'm staying tuned.

[vegasgtr]

Todd at A&C Performance bought a gen v just for this! he's using a paxton, he is a paxton dealer and probably does the most paxtons on vipers, he's already 100k into it. its 100% happening.

glad some one is close to finishing it. I really think they will sell very well. Price point will be important for volume. I can tell you turn Key 750HP on 93 octane will have people lined up. 1000 on E85 as an option. I would keep the car at 750 on 93 for a fun daily trapping 142 or so. Plus the sound you get from the BOV is a blast.

[plumcrazy]

if A&C or DLM come up with it, id definitely trust them to do one

[ViperPete]

I cant imagine it is that difficult to Procharge a Gen V.

Procharger
Fuel system
Tune
Brackets

10k? I don't see how it wouldn't be 10k

[99RT10]

All that's behind us now!!

Yeah, no. The easy tuning option is not there and that alone can cost $8-9k on the cheap side, up to $13+ for a Motec. Then add the SC and maybe a fuel system. $26-$30k.

[FLATOUT]

Yeah, no. The easy tuning option is not there and that alone can cost $8-9k on the cheap side, up to $13+ for a Motec. Then add the SC and maybe a fuel system. $26-$30k.

Yep.