Sean Roe interested in feedback

[stuntman]

..to a really nice guy named Scott. Last I heard Sean was still in distant involvement.

[dave6666]

It will be interesting to see, if this does actually go into production, what the performance of the 2.8 and whatever their redesigned intake brings. Current knowledge base shows that the 2.8 is not a big improvement on the old intake due to the limited plenum volume, lack of intercooler, etc. So they need to get some vid up of the new one on a dyno pretty soon

[DJ's viper]

Wow. what a thread. I learn a lot just reading this. Thanks. Like speed but my 93 kicks butt already. What I'm worried about is that I have lost control a couple of times going into 2nd gear. I have had two race car drivers at different tracks also lose control on second gear and I'm afraid with this much HP I wouldn't be able to handle it. Bought mine from a guys that wanted to get into making cars faster with these ad ons. Do you think they did something to the car or it s just well tuned. I know they put new head gaskets on. When I was up against cars that had 650HP they barely had enough to pass me on the straight away. Most of the time I just let them go out of courtesy. They would only be able to creep by me. 2nd gear is really dangerous in my car. I shift from first to 2nd at about 65 MPH just before the rev limiter kicks in. Has incredible tire spin from first to second. Before you can even thin the back end can kick out on you. The first time I lost it was at the drags, but I didn't realize they put the original tires on the car. The tires were over 15 years old. Hard rubber.

[plumcrazy]

ditch the tires immediately but you might have the special 2nd gear in yours

[dave6666]

So how many deposits down?

[ViperTony]

T Minus

[Atari_Prime]

Dave... Start a thread on how to get a loan to buy a Roe Supercharger

Hmm...Vipers aren't high end but they aren't low end either. Some parts are rare and some parts are crazy expensive. This isn't a car to have if you need to get a loan to buy things for it. It's not as bad as Ferrari belt service but it's an expensive car. There's a big difference between "can't afford" and "don't want to spend". If you can't afford a supercharger for a Viper, you probably can't afford the Viper either, at least as something more than a garage ornament. Not trying to be snippy, there are just so many people that buy cars that they can't really afford because it is their dream car and the worst mistake is to buy one of these and think you can get by with it as your only car.

[whitebluevipe]

Hmm...Vipers aren't high end but they aren't low end either. Some parts are rare and some parts are crazy expensive. This isn't a car to have if you need to get a loan to buy things for it. It's not as bad as Ferrari belt service but it's an expensive car. There's a big difference between "can't afford" and "don't want to spend". If you can't afford a supercharger for a Viper, you probably can't afford the Viper either, at least as something more than a garage ornament. Not trying to be snippy, there are just so many people that buy cars that they can't really afford because it is their dream car and the worst mistake is to buy one of these and think you can get by with it as your only car.

Hmmm...can't afford a supercharger you can't afford this car? are you nuts? so you can't afford to spend an extra $10,000 you can't afford the car? we are not talking brakes or an oil change, yes 10,000. til you buy the supercharger, have it shipped, installed, tuned and any misc stuff you'll have 10g in it. the newest gen 2 is 14 years old. if you bought the car new (when you could afford it) many things may have changed in peoples lives. I bough a brand new Final Edition. since then I had 2 children built a brand new house ect. i don't know if you are arrogant, ignorant, or both. and p.s. i am planning on buying a Roe for my gen 1. I have 2 vipers, can you afford that?

[ICPREY]

Hmmm...can't afford a supercharger you can't afford this car? are you nuts? so you can't afford to spend an extra $10,000 you can't afford the car? we are not talking brakes or an oil change, yes 10,000. til you buy the supercharger, have it shipped, installed, tuned and any misc stuff you'll have 10g in it. the newest gen 2 is 14 years old. if you bought the car new (when you could afford it) many things may have changed in peoples lives. I bough a brand new Final Edition. since then I had 2 children built a brand new house ect. i don't know if you are arrogant, ignorant, or both. and p.s. i am planning on buying a Roe for my gen 1. I have 2 vipers, can you afford that?

Dats funny right there...

[Vprbite]

There is also a big difference between "afford" and "buy." I bet there are plenty of people who could go buy a supercharger of they had to, like if it was the only way to save their children's lives or something. But they may think they can't afford it because they have that money earmarked for retirement, college funds, etc. They wouldn't starve if they had to spend the money, they just may not think its the smartest call right now. I get that.

I would agree, getting leveraged to the hilt with a viper as your only car is a bad idea. But I don't think that's what people are talking about here. 10 grand is a lot to spend to make your car a faster street toy. And a lot of people just don't want to pay that.

I also understand why it has to cost that much. That's just the economics of it.

[Vprbite]

Wow. what a thread. I learn a lot just reading this. Thanks. Like speed but my 93 kicks butt already. What I'm worried about is that I have lost control a couple of times going into 2nd gear. I have had two race car drivers at different tracks also lose control on second gear and I'm afraid with this much HP I wouldn't be able to handle it. Bought mine from a guys that wanted to get into making cars faster with these ad ons. Do you think they did something to the car or it s just well tuned. I know they put new head gaskets on. When I was up against cars that had 650HP they barely had enough to pass me on the straight away. Most of the time I just let them go out of courtesy. They would only be able to creep by me. 2nd gear is really dangerous in my car. I shift from first to 2nd at about 65 MPH just before the rev limiter kicks in. Has incredible tire spin from first to second. Before you can even thin the back end can kick out on you. The first time I lost it was at the drags, but I didn't realize they put the original tires on the car. The tires were over 15 years old. Hard rubber.

My first thought is that wih th tires that old, you could bust them loose in 4th. And you won't hear squeeling. They will spin like hard plastic on ice. I don't mean to be hurtful but driving on tires that old was stupid and dangerous. I'm sorry, it just was. Also, you may have 3.55 or 3.73s in there. Which would give you more oomph off the line. Not more power. Just dumps the power on you quicker but also takes some speed off the top end. It's a trade off. Third, in any Viper, don't "punch" the throttle in second. Squeeze it. Punching is almost guaranteed to break loose.

Good luck and drive safely.

[Atari_Prime]

Hmmm...can't afford a supercharger you can't afford this car? are you nuts? so you can't afford to spend an extra $10,000 you can't afford the car? we are not talking brakes or an oil change, yes 10,000. til you buy the supercharger, have it shipped, installed, tuned and any misc stuff you'll have 10g in it. the newest gen 2 is 14 years old. if you bought the car new (when you could afford it) many things may have changed in peoples lives. I bough a brand new Final Edition. since then I had 2 children built a brand new house ect. i don't know if you are arrogant, ignorant, or both. and p.s. i am planning on buying a Roe for my gen 1. I have 2 vipers, can you afford that?

I don't recall who said it exactly, but there is a reasonably famous quote that says if you don't make at least $1,000,000 a year, you can't afford a $100,000 car. I think its a true statement. Sure you can pay for it. Even a high school kid can pay for a lot of things but they can't afford for lack of a better word 'life'. A current new Viper is right at this threshold. I'm sure that many people on this forum make 10k per month or more, but that doesn't mean they can afford a 5k car payment. In the same sense, a Viper is a luxury item. It is a toy and was never meant to be a daily driver. And it's an expensive toy when you break it. The hood is 5k, the engine is 5k, the tires are 1.5k, etc. So yes, if you don't have 10k lying around to spend on a supercharger, you can't really afford a Viper. If you can't afford to take care of your toys without issue, then you can't afford the toy. We can all take out a loan buy most whatever we want, but if you have to take out a loan to buy something other than a car or a house, I think there's a good argument to be made that you can't afford whatever it is you are wanting to buy.

[Coloviper]

It's all a question of priorities. That $1M / $100k analogy is complete and utter BS.

Now if they would just produce the right kit. Really want a sledgehammer Stage III set up for my car. Someone developing it for the GEN V better we considering how it can also be retrofit to the earlier ones. Way more Early Vipers out there as well. Do it right and proper! Charge what you need to to make money off it but put it out.

Wasted so much time waiting for Roe Gen III blower when I had my coupe. Won't make that mistake again. Doubt anything is going happen with this like the umpteen million other times it comes up.

I like Sean but the situation is what it is.

[plumcrazy]

<<---- in the "you need to pay cash for toys" camp...

[Atari_Prime]

It's all a question of priorities. That $1M / $100k analogy is complete and utter BS.

Now if they would just produce the right kit. Really want a sledgehammer Stage III set up for my car. Someone developing it for the GEN V better we considering how it can also be retrofit to the earlier ones. Way more Early Vipers out there as well. Do it right and proper! Charge what you need to to make money off it but put it out.

Wasted so much time waiting for Roe Gen III blower when I had my coupe. Won't make that mistake again. Doubt anything is going happen with this like the umpteen million other times it comes up.

I like Sean but the situation is what it is.

So...are there any current Gen II superchargers on the market? I thought I had seen a lot of listings out there.

[Vprbite]

<<---- in the "you need to pay cash for toys" camp...

and you call yourself an American. Tsk tsk.

Buy now pay later! USA USA.

[dave6666]

Dats funny right there...

AP is getting owned in this thread.

[Coloviper]

So...are there any current Gen II superchargers on the market? I thought I had seen a lot of listings out there.

All that is out there are some new and used Paxton kits and some "used" Roe / Whipple kits. Nothing like where supercharging has gone.

[dave6666]

There's nothing to suggest the "new" Roe kits will outperform the "old" ones. Even with the 2.8 a very minimal gain is being reported.

[slitherv10]

Why go through all this trouble to worry about Sean making blower kits when you simply just buy one from Paxton. Are the Roes that much different then the Paxtons? Last I heard the only bg difference was that Roes had bottom end power and paxtons top end. Is this correct?

[dave6666]

Which is exactly why people want a Roe. Mr. elite.

[Geronimo]

Are the Roes that much different then the Paxtons?

Roe looks a 1000 times better. Eye appeal is very important.

[plumcrazy]

omg, geronimo, please stop smoking whatever you have in your pipe. paxton looks better than a smashed mailbox

[drewsss]

omg, geronimo, please stop smoking whatever you have in your pipe. paxton looks better than a smashed mailbox

Especially the fugly red one. Looks like someone had a nosebleed on the engine.

[Atari_Prime]

Just looked at them both, I vote Paxton.