Who did this belong to?

[Will at RSI]

Please don't go sounding self-righteous and do no wrong. If you have nothing to hide, why didn't you speak up on your Facebook page when I replied to your orange TT video? I posted the video of the customer taking his car away from you in shambles....instead all you do is block me. If there is nothing to hide then surely you could reply with a logical explanation without this BS you spout. I am hoping that people see your reviews, and don't give you a cent. It is called Viper owners looking out for each other.

Since you don't feel that you deserve to be ignored, I will respond to this one post by you. I'm not pretending to be self-righteous. I have on many occasions and on many forums readily admitted that we made some mistakes and were dealing with some issues. I even did so in the post that you quoted. Since you do not and have never had any actual involvement in any of our business transactions and over the past couple of years have made it clear that you simply want to ridicule and gossip, I have made a choice to ignore the comments that you have and continue to make. Your choice to make posts on our Facebook page had nothing to do with the content that was published and everything to do with your intent to disparage us since our successful project was getting more attention that you liked. I don't have anything to hide, but I also don't owe you an explanation for anything. If a client of ours makes a choice to post something negative in regard to a transaction with us, that is their decision. If we choose to respond, then we will. If we don't address the issue, it could be that we simply don't want to do so, or it could be that we intend to take some form of legal action, or for a million other reasons that don't involve you.

You can believe what you want to believe, it is of zero significance to me. We have been fixing the problems that we created and have done everything that we could each day to make it right with every client involved. I don't jump online telling everyone each time we complete one of these projects, because the only opinion I really care about is the client that we work for.

[commandomatt]

The site does work now, but it honestly didn't earlier. I tried it several times.

And guys, I have no desire to get into a debate about RSI. Simply stating our car runs perfectly and is a very impressive build.

Shelby,

If someone was to purchase this Viper from you and would end up having issues with it (TT related), is that something that you would then stand behind or would you forward them to RSI that built the TT ?

[slovenom]

Shelby,

If someone was to purchase this Viper from you and would end up having issues with it (TT related), is that something that you would then stand behind or would you forward them to RSI that built the TT ?

Good point
Dealer dude hope you sell the car quick and make a sweet profit. You sound legit!!

[slovenom]

Please don't go sounding self-righteous and do no wrong. I posted the video of the customer taking his car away from you in SHAMBLES ... It is called Viper owners looking out for each other.

I'm sure the owner of said car will speak out eventually! !

[Darth Menace]

Since you don't feel that you deserve to be ignored, I will respond to this one post by you. I'm not pretending to be self-righteous. I have on many occasions and on many forums readily admitted that we made some mistakes and were dealing with some issues. I even did so in the post that you quoted. Since you do not and have never had any actual involvement in any of our business transactions and over the past couple of years have made it clear that you simply want to ridicule and gossip, I have made a choice to ignore the comments that you have and continue to make. Your choice to make posts on our Facebook page had nothing to do with the content that was published and everything to do with your intent to disparage us since our successful project was getting more attention that you liked. I don't have anything to hide, but I also don't owe you an explanation for anything. If a client of ours makes a choice to post something negative in regard to a transaction with us, that is their decision. If we choose to respond, then we will. If we don't address the issue, it could be that we simply don't want to do so, or it could be that we intend to take some form of legal action, or for a million other reasons that don't involve you.

You can believe what you want to believe, it is of zero significance to me. We have been fixing the problems that we created and have done everything that we could each day to make it right with every client involved. I don't jump online telling everyone each time we complete one of these projects, because the only opinion I really care about is the client that we work for.

Long winded way of saying and answering nothing. Typical reply....did your lawyer write this for you?

How do you care about the clients (and possible future clients on here), if you can't answer questions about your past and how you have treated those "clients" you oh so care about?

[Darth Menace]

Your choice to make posts on our Facebook page had nothing to do with the content that was published and everything to do with your intent to disparage us since our successful project was getting more attention that you liked.

Okay, so if I go on your Facebook group again, and post that same video in a brand new discussion concerning the video of you leaving the owner's car in shambles...I take it you will reply. Considering it will be it's own topic and not threatening your Gen2 TT video.

PS-that video had 2 replies when I posted the other video. That is far from your successful project getting more attention then I liked.

[shelbyelite]

Shelby,

If someone was to purchase this Viper from you and would end up having issues with it (TT related), is that something that you would then stand behind or would you forward them to RSI that built the TT ?

We do guarantee the cars we sell. Any vehicles, even modified, are guaranteed to be in perfect, trouble free working order upon delivery to the new owner. On heavily modified cars, we typically offer a 30 day warranty on the modified aspects of the car. Because we are not the builders / tuners of vipers, we do not currently offer a warranty longer than 30 days unless their is a warranty offered from the builder. 9.9 out of 10 modified cars, sold by any dealer, are typically sold "as-is" as I am sure you are aware. Are you interested, or simply trying to find a reason to place me in the same light as you are RSI? If one of your forum members on here, whom ownes an RSI modified viper, was trying to sell their car, would you give them the same hard time you are giving me? Somehow I think not...

Not looking to butt heads with any member on here. I respect forum members looking out for their fellow man. I just don't think your beef with RSI should be directed at me or my car unless you or someone else has some first hand knowledge of any issues with my car, which there are none.

[Darth Menace]

We do guarantee the cars we sell. Any vehicles, even modified, are guaranteed to be in perfect, trouble free working order upon delivery to the new owner. On heavily modified cars, we typically offer a 30 day warranty on the modified aspects of the car. Because we are not the builders / tuners of vipers, we do not currently offer a warranty longer than 30 days unless their is a warranty offered from the builder. 9.9 out of 10 modified cars, sold by any dealer, are typically sold "as-is" as I am sure you are aware. Are you interested, or simply trying to find a reason to place me in the same light as you are RSI? If one of your forum members on here, whom ownes an RSI modified viper, was trying to sell their car, would you give them the same hard time you are giving me? Somehow I think not...

Not looking to butt heads with any member on here. I respect forum members looking out for their fellow man. I just don't think your beef with RSI should be directed at me or my car unless you or someone else has some first hand knowledge of any issues with my car, which there are none.

You seem like a good guy, and I don't think anybody here is trying to cast you in the same light as RSI. I don't think he would be asking the same question to a fellow member if he were selling his RSI car, mainly because an individual does not typically warranty their cars, but many car dealerships do. Of course everyone will/should be cautious when looking at an RSI car, and I don't think anyone is making any jabs at you.

[AZTVR]

I don't think anyone is making any jabs at you.

Bullshit. Both you and slow venom have made jabs. Have you not read what you guys typed here?

[Darth Menace]

Bullshit. Both you and slow venom have made jabs. Have you not read what you guys typed here?

This was in response to Shelbyelite's comment. I haven't made any jabs at him at all. Now RSI, he doesn't need anyone's help to get jabs at him. There is a difference between the two you know.

Good try though

[Darius]

I bet the car runs great, and could be flawless. I believe the major concern would be if something does go wrong with it the new owner might have to deal with RSI. That has proven to be less than satisfactory.

[Rizzo]

Hey guys. As much as I wouldnt go near this car I can tell you that I have NEVER heard anything but amazing things about Shelby Elite. He is as highly regarded in the F GT world as they come. I have even had personal conversations with him about a GT that I was going to buy up here and sell to him. It could not have been easier to do the deal had it transpired and he is simply a straight shooter. If he says the car is running good its running good. Unfortunately just like anything with Hennessy on it I wouldnt purchase an RSI car personally until a bunch of happy owners started chiming in and telling us how great their cars are running and how great their service is. If RSI is pumping out so many cars where are all the owners? Younwould think a few of them at least would be on here praising their cars? Just my 2 cents.

[Aspirations57]

Lets hope some poor slob doesnt just come by and buy this nightmare,lol....Lets all feel sorry for the poor dealer,NOT, couldnt wish it on a better group of rip-off artists in general(used car dealers)..Karma at its best...I would like to see it rot on their lot but you know some idiot with more money than brains will buy it Bet they paid no more than 90K for it,lol

[shelbyelite]

Lets hope some poor slob doesnt just come by and buy this nightmare,lol....Lets all feel sorry for the poor dealer,NOT, couldnt wish it on a better group of rip-off artists in general(used car dealers)..Karma at its best...I would like to see it rot on their lot but you know some idiot with more money than brains will buy it Bet they paid no more than 90K for it,lol

Wow, what a wonderful attitude to have, especially towards someone you know nothing about.

[TooBlue]

Lets hope some poor slob doesnt just come by and buy this nightmare,lol....Lets all feel sorry for the poor dealer,NOT, couldnt wish it on a better group of rip-off artists in general(used car dealers)..Karma at its best...I would like to see it rot on their lot but you know some idiot with more money than brains will buy it Bet they paid no more than 90K for it,lol

Guys, in my opinion we shouldn't be directing our negative opinion of RSI on to Shelby and Elite motors.
Take a look at Elite's website. http://eliteautosllc.com/ You don't build a building and shop like he has with unhappy customers. He has a very impressive inventory too. His eBay auction rating is 100% satisfied out of almost 500 transactions. Like Shelby said in an earlier post, he doesn't know anything about RSI's past.

He is selling a beautiful looking car that makes 1000 rwhp and runs good now and that's all he knows.
Only people like us that know RSI's history know that the good running condition of the car now could change later... Maybe not. Time will tell.

Are there any satisfied customers of RSI out there that could give any positive comments regarding RSI and any recent builds/cars? This might help give this Gen 5 TT some credibility and help Shelby sell what "appears" to be a nice car.

[ViperSmith]

There is no reason to slander Elite.

[Coloviper]

Well this is going nowhere. I think the answer to the thread question was answered so no point in keeping it open. Just stones thrown now.

I have had zero dealings with either RSI or Elite, but I have been burnt by used car dealers and by Tuners so my personal opinions with a new/used Tuner car ithese days are jaded.

People who do these mega builds have a lot of money and common sense to the layman does not compute. Anyone that puts $200k into upgrades on top of a $100k car to then drive it 200 miles and lose 50% its value of money invested is a special kind of person.

Will is correct, you can not comment on the myriad of circumstances with some of these situations and clients so not fair to get drug into a he said, she said, Paul pulled Sally's pigtails in the school yard gossip. Having said that, there is too much smoke to know there is definitely fire to these issues. It is simple, these are issues between RSI and their clients, that is their issue so internet cowboys need not apply. Having said that, Will has admitted to past mistakes but not sure how sincere which is what most are playing on here. It is hard as most have never run a business before and there is a lot more to these things. Some clients are completely unreasonable.

If anyone does not do their homework with a tuner, then they have more money than brains. It takes time to earn trust and a few posts in a forum do not cover it. Time will tell. It is up to Will and RSI to live it everyday. We will see! I am not interested in these tuner cars from non factory affiliated shops but that is me.

On to Elite, I have looked at buying a car from them but never reached out to them to do so. Shelby seems like an honest person by the sincerity of the outreach and response but I can only base that on the forum here. In the end, the car is what it is and I am sure looks great. Life is buyer beware. I don't think any used car dealer or tuner really knows their cars as only the original owner of a factory car knows what they truly have. Everything else beyond that is just an opinion. Hey, I hear thethe car to the best of their ability explanation and it makes sense why they have it but a rationale person would say why sell so soon after all this money invest, must be something wrong. Despite anything Shelby says, most out there do not understand how a previous owner can do that but those original owners are not layman people thinking like a layman. The argument and discussion is pointless. I think it is a little off for a dealer to be so so adamant that they know their car so well not being the original owner of the car and then saying well it has a 30 day warranty but be thankful as used is an as-is world which we all know about. I would have just said they did their due diligence on the car, run it hard and it appears to be the real deal with no issues. Being so strong that car is so perfect for a used car just seems strange. It might be a great car and have no issues but nobody really knows a used car to the degree expressed.

In the end, take it for what it is all worth:

Will needs to earn it over time as welcome has been revoked
Shelby should focus on the other offers as it is hostile territory here and buyer is not here
New buyer is buyer beware
Internet Cowboys need to get on their horse and ride elsewhere.

Hope thread gets closed as what is the point at this point?

[Boba Fett]

Hope thread gets closed as what is the point at this point?

Really? This is my thread and I'd like it to stay open. You said your piece and if you want nothing more to do with it, simply don't click.

[ironpeddler]

How much whp does it make on its 93 tune??

[HANKFAN]

I purchased my Viper from Shelby at Elite Auto sight unseen. The car arrived exactly in the condition Shelby had told me it was in. Shelby is a stand up guy and in all honesty I would be interested in this TT car myself if any other builder had built it. I just can't overlook all the customers that have posted the negative experiences they have had over the last few years with RSI. That many complaints isn't just an accident. However, I would not hesitate buying another car from Elite Auto.

[Malu59RT]

Guys, in my opinion we shouldn't be directing our negative opinion of RSI on to Shelby and Elite motors.
Take a look at Elite's website. http://eliteautosllc.com/ You don't build a building and shop like he has with unhappy customers. He has a very impressive inventory too. His eBay auction rating is 100% satisfied out of almost 500 transactions. Like Shelby said in an earlier post, he doesn't know anything about RSI's past.

He is selling a beautiful looking car that makes 1000 rwhp and runs good now and that's all he knows.
Only people like us that know RSI's history know that the good running condition of the car now could change later... Maybe not. Time will tell.

Are there any satisfied customers of RSI out there that could give any positive comments regarding RSI and any recent builds/cars? This might help give this Gen 5 TT some credibility and help Shelby sell what "appears" to be a nice car.

This blog was created by what I assume was at least their 3rd Gen V TT build. So is it safe to assume the first red car and the SEMA car also had these issues?

http://genvttbuildbyrsi.blogspot.com/

[dethred]

As a new owner, I have done my homework, and RSI seems to be about as shady as Hennessey. Name me one customer of a well-respected and trusted tuner that can post a detailed blog like the one above? No one goes out of their way to slander a tuner and provide this much evidence, there's just no motive and it's too thorough. An informed individual has no rational reason for thinking RSI is a legitimate business.

Will, whatever your defense is, it just takes one look at the viper that was picked up from your shop in pieces. One look at that, and no one will send you a car they purchased for $100k+. This is simply because at no point in time should a car be kept in that condition, whether it's a installing a bolt on or a complete rebuild.

As for the dealer, they'll assume the risk if there are any issues. Who knows, this might be one of a few builds actually completed and done properly by a shop that has a horrible reputation. Would I trust it?

Hell.
No.

[Viper Girl]

Hope thread gets closed as what is the point at this point?

Closing threads isn't something we normally do here, if the OP requests it, we have closed threads in the past. In this case the OP wants the thread to stay open.


I'd like to remind everyone to stay civil, and play by the general forum rules. Posting here for those new posters who haven't seen the forum rules.
Thanks



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[Sybil TF]

People who do these mega builds have a lot of money and common sense to the layman does not compute. Anyone that puts $200k into upgrades on top of a $100k car to then drive it 200 miles and lose 50% its value of money invested is a special kind of person.

Wait. You telling us it costs $200K to do some mods and twin turbo a Gen 5?

[TheAnonymousOne]

My guess is some of these owners get the hell scared out of them after they actually drive a 1000+rwhp car.

This ^


But yeah I would not risk sending my car to RSI.