No more Nurburgring lap records?

[Rizzo]

http://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-...g-lap-records/

Just saw this today. Wonder how this will pan out?

[ACR Steve]

Old news they have changed that. Now Manf. will still be allowed to try for records.

[Rizzo]

Old news they have changed that. Now Manf. will still be allowed to try for records.

Well thats good news. I look forward to the new ACR crushing their old record and setting a new one.

[ACR Steve]

It will be interesting to see what it can do. The world has changed and there are some veryyyyy fast cars.

[ViperDC]

Well thats good news. I look forward to the new ACR crushing their old record and setting a new one.

It won't beat the 918 or the Lambo Aventador SV times. Too slow in a straight line to go that in my opinion

[ACRucrazy]

I look foraward to the ACR besting the old ACR-X time of 7:03.

[TheAnonymousOne]

It won't beat the 918 or the Lambo Aventador SV times. Too slow in a straight line to go that in my opinion

Correct. "The Viper ACR doesn't need more horespower"....Apparently it does

[TrackAire]

Correct. "The Viper ACR doesn't need more horespower"....Apparently it does

Or a redesigned body with high dollar active aero.

[ViperDC]

Correct. "The Viper ACR doesn't need more horespower"....Apparently it does

Doesn't need more horsepower for 99.9% of tracks. I just think the long straights at the 'Ring will hurt them unless it is unbelievable in the corners. It will easily beat the Gen IV time but besting the 918 or SV will be tough

[ViperSmith]

Ah glad to see some things never change. It will manhandle virtually everything at the 'Ring, will easily set records at possibly every US track it hits yet "wah wah needs more HP"

Much more interested to see how it does at US tracks seeing as that is where most buyers that track it will be headed.

[ViperSmith]

It is amusing the Z06 has run the ring twice and still no time.

[ViperDC]

Ah glad to see some things never change. It will manhandle virtually everything at the 'Ring, will easily set records at possibly every US track it hits yet "wah wah needs more HP"

Much more interested to see how it does at US tracks seeing as that is where most buyers that track it will be headed.

I think it's going to tear it up at Laguna Seca

[Zybane]

It is amusing the Z06 has run the ring twice and still no time.

That will happen when the time isn't impressive.

[ACR Steve]

If I was a betting man I would not count out the car being at SV times or better . It will be faster then an ACR X

[timberwolf]

Or a redesigned body with high dollar active aero.

I agree. I personally don't like the TA 2.0 wing and ACR wing. Unless it's a track only car that's not street legal. That wing on the street just makes me cringe, and I don't know why. As they say.. opinions are like a-holes! Everybody's got em!

[Fatboy 18]

I agree. I personally don't like the TA 2.0 wing and ACR wing. Unless it's a track only car that's not street legal. That wing on the street just makes me cringe, and I don't know why. As they say.. opinions are like a-holes! Everybody's got em!

Wings are very useful for picnic trays and drinks counters, I always make full use of mine at car shows

[Snakebit10]

Active would have been nice but car wasn't designed with that in mind so that is absolutely out on the Gen 5. But more hp would cure a little of the speed it lost due to the gargantuan aero. I don't think the top end loss will hurt it much on stateside tracks but of course it will lose many seconds to the competition on that back straight of the Ring.

How much HP would an extreme aero ACR Viper need to get back the 30mph it lost on the top end? I think it would take a lot more than just 745 crank hp but I could be wrong.

[commandomatt]

Old news they have changed that. Now Manf. will still be allowed to try for records.

So does this mean that privateers can't run....like the ACR in 2011 (unless this in fact was considered a run by Dodge/SRT )? In other words, is it only actual manufacturers that can run or can someone private run a factory car and it being considered a record for that model ?

[timberwolf]

How much HP would an extreme aero ACR Viper need to get back the 30mph it lost on the top end? I think it would take a lot more than just 745 crank hp but I could be wrong.

That would require a massive amount of power to combat the exponentially growing down-force that mega wing creates. To get another 30 mph from the extreme aero setup, I'd venture to guess you'd need 1000ph or more total!! Again totally uneducated guess but it would be a lot. It would be easier to be able to articulate the angle of the wing to reduce drag and down force, rather than push against it. Active aero of sorts, the same way the Bugatti Veyron does.

[TrackAire]

That would require a massive amount of power to combat the exponentially growing down-force that mega wing creates. To get another 30 mph from the extreme aero setup, I'd venture to guess you'd need 1000ph or more total!! Again totally uneducated guess but it would be a lot. It would be easier to be able to articulate the angle of the wing to reduce drag and down force, rather than push against it. Active aero of sorts, the same way the Bugatti Veyron does.

The problem isn't just adding horsepower to get a higher top speed, but you need to get to that top speed quickly (I think the big Ring straight is just over 1 mile long). Gearing and multiple transmission ratios are just as important at the final hp number when trying to accelerate that quickly in such a short distance.

I would guess you would need at least another 150 hp to 200 hp with our existing transmission to make a substantial difference.

It is fun though discussing all the "what if" scenarios.

[ViperTony]

Dodge should take the ACR and Hellcats out to the Ring and have some fun.

[Uncle Paul]

The aero on the ACR is adjustable. The wing can be changed to suit the track conditions.

If there is too much drag for the top end speeds, some downforce can be sacrificed for additional top speed.

Prior to running the team will analyze the track to predict the proper set up for the record attempt. Several trial laps will be run, with data collected and the driver will make suggestions to attain better lap times. These changes will be made and more laps run. The only lap that will really count will be the one that attains the fastest circuit.

Tire pressures, ride height, shock settings, etc will all be optimized to give the best result.

Those guys are no dummies. This is the difference between forum racing and track racing.