Best headers and intake

[vipersick]

BEST headers and exhaust system for GTS 2013.
and intake.

[ViperPete]

Are you asking a question?

[vipersick]

yes i want to know?

[ViperPete]

yes i want to know?

Factory intake is proven best.
Belanger Long tube headers have proven best. I would say that pretty much anything is better than the factory exhaust manifolds, especially when you get rid of the cats.

Check:

www.viperexchange.com
www.theviperstore.com
www.jtsvp.com

All those vendors can help you out with pricing and availability.

[vipersick]

belanger OR AMRCAN RACING ?

[Steve M]

belanger OR AMRCAN RACING ?

Personal preference...both will make around the same gains on the dyno. Personally, I like the way the Belangers sound over American Racing Headers...Belangers use coated aluminized steel with a tri-y design, and the ARH headers are stainless with a 5-into-1 merge. The material choice and collector design both have an impact on sound.

In this case, take your pick...lots of people around here running one or the other. I'm sure they'll chime in with their experience.

[Dman]

Fortunately you're asking a simple question and you won't have much deliberating to do.

Like above, IMO, only 2 choices on headers, ARH or Lou Belangers. Personally I've been using Belangers since '99 on 4 vipers now, including my gen5, perf is apples to apples, although I'm sure both would argue superior design, lol. I'm sure ARH is great, they work with SRT and I've never seen anything but stellar reports and I'd not hesitate to buy them, but I'm a Belanger loyalist from my history with it, I had a simple question the other day & Lou spent 45 mins on the phone with me giving so much wisdom I wanted to take notes. Hiflow cats with both of course.

As stated, don't change anything on the intake, even the filters, not worth the $ or the hassles you'll get.

Catback is probably only deliberation you'll have. Full belanger is loud and nasty, too loud for me, not loud enough for others. I did belanger and stock catback, if I were to change catback I'd go Corsa, I've had Corsa twice and the tone really ensures no drone and although nice & loud it's a pitch that doesn't hurt the ears on the highway. I had the Aero which sounded great but the tone after an hour on the highway would start to create fissure in my skull.

Call the references above, talk to ARH and Lou and get their pitches; Mark and JonB are awesome guru's to talk these thru and have tons of combo experience and very supportive before and after your purchase.

You should think about an Arrow PCM if you do the exhaust, not required, but it made a world of difference on my car and others.

Enjoy.

[vipersick]

Thanks Now i know what is the defense betweens two.
I am asking because this car not like other car many exhaust system they have and many people have exhaust expect this car and no videos or review for that things.

[Rapidrezults]

Instead of an intake, put your money into an intake heat shield. Money well spent.

[pdv25]

Instead of an intake, put your money into an intake heat shield. Money well spent.

I think I'm the only one who runs the K&N intakes. No one seems to like it.

[Nine Ball]

Thanks Now i know what is the defense betweens two.
I am asking because this car not like other car many exhaust system they have and many people have exhaust expect this car and no videos or review for that things.

Here is a video of my '14 with American Racing headers, no cats, and Corsa catback. It is loud, but no drone when freeway cruising.

[vipersick]

now i know i will change my headers and cats i will keep my stock cat back and i will change the filter only and tune that is

[ACRucrazy]

That's why you win all the races PDV..

[Nine Ball]

I think I'm the only one who runs the K&N intakes. No one seems to like it.

I have one sitting here in a box. Want to do a dyno before/after though, same day.

[Rapidrezults]

I think I'm the only one who runs the K&N intakes. No one seems to like it.

I didn't know that. In that case I'm ordering one right now! Lol. Your kills speak to your mods!

[viper04]

I think I'm the only one who runs the K&N intakes. No one seems to like it.

I like it also. I guess it's just you and me.

[Rapidrezults]

OP, for great sound clips of Belangers with different combos check out this video library:

https://www.youtube.com/user/mjorgensen99/videos

[viper04]

I have one sitting here in a box. Want to do a dyno before/after though, same day.

If you can that would be good. I know Torrie had done a test with it and pick up some HP, using the HP tuner. Maybe that's the missing ingredient needed to make it work. Please let us know what you find. Thanks.

[vipersick]

with header and corsa catback not loud for crusing but in thigh rpm it will be loud

[Steve M]

I have one sitting here in a box. Want to do a dyno before/after though, same day.

You'll also need to monitor IATs while cruising and WOT (look for recovery time on this one - i.e. how long it takes for the temps to drop with a massive inrush of air) for both to get the complete picture.

[Nine Ball]

You'll also need to monitor IATs while cruising and WOT (look for recovery time on this one - i.e. how long it takes for the temps to drop with a massive inrush of air) for both to get the complete picture.

I have the Shelby heat shield to install, as well. I wonder if the K&N even works with that?

[pdv25]

That's why you win all the races PDV..

I didn't know that. In that case I'm ordering one right now! Lol. Your kills speak to your mods!

That's been my trick lol!!

I have the Shelby heat shield to install, as well. I wonder if the K&N even works with that?

The kit comes with a metal shield under the intakes. The AIT always have a 5-7 degree delta from ambient air. When your at idle the AIT quickly go up, but when you move it quickly drops. I did have a CEL (p0068) manifold pressure, throttle position correlation. I happened twice since I got the intakes back in November. I disabled that code with HP tuners. I may happen to you since you're running the arrow?

[viper04]

I have the Shelby heat shield to install, as well. I wonder if the K&N even works with that?

My guess would be no, It sit a little bit difference than the stock airbox, but Tony do you have the Arrow PCM? I think one of the reason why there were a lot of limp mode and bad dyno numbers using the K&N is that the Mopar PCM did not disable the "Air flow rationality monitors" like the updated Arrow PCM. One of the updates Arrow did that allow changes to air cleaner duct and filter. Steve M can chime in on this. I know some car are or seem to be more sensitive to more air flow. None the less it would be a good test to see. Maybe I can do it when I get sometime.

Here is a picture from ACRucrazy hope its ok to post it, but you can see with the Arrow updated PCM the 3 features offer with the update.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...ller-Installed

[Steve M]

The kit comes with a metal shield under the intakes. The AIT always have a 5-7 degree delta from ambient air. When your at idle the AIT quickly go up, but when you move it quickly drops. I did have a CEL (p0068) manifold pressure, throttle position correlation. I happened twice since I got the intakes back in November. I disabled that code with HP tuners. I may happen to you since you're running the arrow?

Interesting...there are some guys having throttle related issues with PD blowers on other Mopar products, and I ended up coming across this on the HPT forum:

The problem is that the code uses pressure differential across the throttle to achieve sonic flow. The problem is that when you put a supercharger between the throttle and the MAP sensor as soon as the blower starts making any boost the throttle will want to go wide open to satisfy the sonic flow equation.

Makes me wonder if the Venom PCM uses a similar scheme to determine whether or not the air is flowing as it should.

These cars are incredibly sensitive to changes in the intake tract - with airflow rationality disabled on mine, my car still went into limp mode when I removed the hood scoop rain shield. Based on the limited data I have, it appears that the MAF sensors had a pretty decent delta between the two (like a 4 lb/min difference) when it went into limp mode. Lots of checks and balances in these PCMs.

[viper04]

You'll also need to monitor IATs while cruising and WOT (look for recovery time on this one - i.e. how long it takes for the temps to drop with a massive inrush of air) for both to get the complete picture.

Steve M
This was one of the reason I keep it on the car. I did not plan to keep it on the car but just use it for car show to look nice LOL! but with the Gen V you can monitor the IAT in the dash and at cruise it runs about 5 to 8 degree above ambient air temp and it would recover twice as fast as the stock air box and always runs cooler.