Let's show some class when posting on corvetteforum.com

[Bruce H.]

I joined and posted on corvetteforum.com when I was researching my '14 purchase. I chose the Viper, haven't posted there since, but have recently been viewing threads there to better know the car that some close track rat buddies chose for their street and track needs. One of them is having serious over-heating problems on track, and as of last week the other is now pushing his to very high temps as well.

In the past I've seen some pretty bad posts from Viper owners on the C7 forums that any enthusiast owner would find offensive, but today I viewed a couple in a Z06 vs Viper thread that prompted this thread. These particular posts criticised many aspects of the C7 build, it's performance, it's owner demographic, C7 forum members, moderators and the forum itself. It was childish, like kids saying my whatever is better than yours.

That is completely unacceptable behaviour. There's no excuse for doing that, and had my priorities have been slightly different those comments could have been directed at me, my choice of performance car, and posted on my forum! There's no shortage of car owners making offensive posts on every forum, and thank goodness for the "Ignore List" feature, but when VOA members do that on another car forum, and do it as often as they do, they create a negative impression of all Viper owners. Many C7 owners are so tired of Viper owners posting there that I simply choose not to.

We are all performance car enthusiasts on both forums regardless of how each of us chooses to enjoy the car, and we should show respect for others who do the same. There's always going to be someone who will try to draw you into a confrontation, but don't engage them as it's usually a no-win situation. Like the saying goes..."Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience".

One of the nice things I've enjoyed about tracking various performance cars is that the guys that tend to do that are among the nicest you'll ever meet. They care a lot more about how you conduct yourself on and off the track rather than what car you drive. Hiding behind a keyboard enables bad behaviour without consequence. I remember one forum member years ago seemed to have an issue with me. We bumped into each other at a track day he came out to with friends as a spectator. I took him out for an early session, and then he asked to join me for 3 or 4 more. Suddenly we were friends. Just consider that the guy you argue with and try to ream a new hole on a forum might be an awful lot like you, and could very well become your friend if you met face to face!

Please don't post on the corvette forum to brag, criticise or for the sport of getting a rise out of their proud enthusiasts. Let's show a lot more class than that.

Bruce

[pdv25]

I agree Bruce! I post on there sometimes, but i'm not one to argue or insult people online. Funny you brought this up, I just posted today looking to run a A8 C7 ZO6.

[slovenom]

I don't get into it but I enjoy reading it...
That's call rivalry etc etc..nothing wrong with some smack talking.... I do agree some ppl there get their feelings hurt too easy thought! !

[lochnessmonster]

I'm in complete agreement. Save the arguing, snide comments, and insults for your co-workers. They have no place in the car community.

[J TNT]

Great post Bruce , with out Corvette and other sports cars , the bar would not be raised . And we as enthusiast's would not reap the benefits !
I remember going to the Challenger Plant before it was built and asked the Plant Manager if they would build a Challenger ! The answer was they had no business case to build the Challenger , but when Mustang Sales went through the roof they finally saw the value in it and finally brought it to production . Funny the voices of enthusiasts couldn't make it happen , it took another manufacture to make it happen. fwiw .

[vegasgtr]

been there for 10 years. If god forbid you mention GTR , Viper they go ape shit.

I am fan of all cars. I don't know why people get all bent out of shape about X cars. One guy said the viper looks like shoe. Not sure where that came from. My viper turns so many heads its ridiculous.. Thumbs up all day.

[dethred]

I was one of (if not) the idiot(s) that took the bait. The only reason I ever joined the Corvette forum was due to cross shopping the C7Z Vette with the M4 before I even considered the Viper as affordable. To be fair, I started off trying to be as non-confrontational as possible, but then some of the guys who don't even own either car began mocking NineBall, to which I instinctively went negative as a result. Not justified and I didn't even mean what I said (again, I was interested in the car before the Viper prices became competitive), but damn that forum just begs for someone to respond back in kind.

[darbgnik]

I'm not a member over there, and only end up there through a link, but man do some of them drink the Koolaid over there!

Their car HAS to be the best car ever, period. If not in stats, they'll argue price. It's worse than the Lambo forums. Not as bad as the alley, but still......

Although maybe I've only been directed to the train wrecks, who knows?

[ViperSmith]

I don't see why people can't see they are both great american cars. The A8 is blazing fast.

But the track issues are disappointing. There are quite a few that'll shout Down anyone that has legitimate car trouble.

Interesting they merged all the overheating issues into a single thread so you can't decipher anything useful. Chevy has to be shoveling them money.

[VENOM V]

Amen Bruce,

Nothing worse than when you're trying to enjoy your machine of choice and some weenies come in and mess with you. Its not rivalry, its not smack talking, its trolling plain and simple. This place was like that not too long ago.

I do feel for the guys over there, they have a legitimate problem with overheating on the track, as ViperSmith said. That is the reason I stopped considering a Vette for a track machine. ACR here I come. But I don't feel the need to rub it in their faces.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

thats an interesting place, for sure. I've been a member for a long long time.

[Fatboy 18]

We all get along just fine in the UK we attend each others car shows I guess its because we all like American Products

No need for insults on forums. Good post Bruce H.

[Nine Ball]

Agreed on the post. I like both cars, and do not insult them. But, they do have a recent crop of idiot fan-boys, likely teenagers, who constantly attack non-Corvette guys, regardless of how we act. The moderators need to get rid of those kids.

If that black Z06 would have walked me during that first video, I would own one right now. I was very close to ordering a gray Z06. Then the overheat issues piled up, and that became the deal breaker. I watch for improvements made, news about fixing the issues. Been there 15 years, I am friends with many members.

Tony

[labtec]

The shoe comment started years ago, actually the comment is "clown shoe". Probably started when they released the special red viper with yellow wheels and someone noted it looked like Ronald McDonald's shoe. I must say it was not anyone's favorite color combination. Mine is a 04 triple black and looks nothing like a wing tip

been there for 10 years. If god forbid you mention GTR , Viper they go ape shit.

I am fan of all cars. I don't know why people get all bent out of shape about X cars. One guy said the viper looks like shoe. Not sure where that came from. My viper turns so many heads its ridiculous.. Thumbs up all day.

[FrgMstr]

What is this Corvette Forum you speak of?

You guys just need to get better at sarcasm.



As for the "clownshoe" moniker, I know many Viper owners, including myself, that refer to their Gen II cars this way.

[Nine Ball]

Let me help explain the 'clown shoe' moniker. It typically applies to Gen 1-2 cars, but some ignorant Corvette guys seem to think it applies to every generation. The big flat hood without any body lines sorta resembles a clown shoe.







Ironically, one of my favorite beer brands is "Clown Shoes". Maybe because I like Vipers? Nah, their beer is just damn good. http://www.clownshoesbeer.com/beers/

[Herrsss]

Clownshoe also is associated with the BMW Z3 M coupe!

https://www.facebook.com/ClownShoeMotorsports

[Sybil TF]

I used to proudly wear my anti-corvette shirt until I outgrew it...

[Vprbite]

Am friend of mine had a red 97 GTS and his plate was CLWNSHU.

I agree about the fanboys arguing that the car is a hair short of a spaceship and spanks the Koenigsegg all day and such. It's probably people who have never even sat in one. True car enthousiasts have a favorite but should respect all performance cars. I tease on Vettes all the time, but I do it here cause we are a Viper forum. And my comments are clearly jokes. When I meet people at car shows, if I meet someone who has an automatic, entry level vette but loves that thing to no end...well then I like it too. Cause I can respect that. I loved my Gen II. I know it wasn't as fast as a new GTR but damn if I didn't love that GTS. And most true car people I meet are cool too. I wouldn't go over to their forums just to talk shit and it would piss me off if they came here to do the same.

[FLATOUT]

I like the drama it's entertaining lol.

[ACRucrazy]

Thanks dad.

[bogdan]

I like how that one guy called out Paul, without knowing that there was already a video of a 650+whp Z06 getting left by the T/A

[GBS]

I agree! There's no need to bash other people's cars or anything else for that matter. If you don't like a certain kind of car why would you want to go on a forum about it. I can think of a lot of better things to do with my time. Most people wouldn't want some jokers, trolls or whatever coming on VOA and bashing Vipers just to start some SH!T! Personally I don't fine it entertaining or need the drama.

[whitebeard]

God made a Dodge Viper so Vette guys have heroes.


Edit: I bought two of the shirts in Black with White letters.

[ViperRT98]

I personally do not like the Corvette Forum. I have meet many of them at Corvette events throughout my 15 years of owning a C4 and C5 Corvettes. The very first time you disagree with their point of view they jump on you like a pack of dogs. When they see you face to face the walk away with their tail between their legs. The are keyboard warriors and I have zero respect for them or their waive. I loved my C5 it was the best car I have ever owned. However if my enjoyment was based just off an internet forum I would have sold the Corvette and purchased a Viper sooner. I agree unless you have a Corvette there is really no reason to be there, however if you have both cars it is a fair comparison that they do not want to hear. I am like most I love all cars no matter the make or model. I purchased a Viper because I always wanted one and not because of a response on a thread. I like what Whitebeard wrote "God made a Dodge Viper so Vette guys have heroes."