8 speed auto in a gen 5 viper

[Nemesis]

What tranny is being run in the Viper Exchange Comp Cars?

[FLATOUT]

What tranny is being run in the Viper Exchange Comp Cars?

The race cars run sequentials.

[ViperPete]

A buddy of mine wanted a Viper but can't drive a stick. Not because he doesn't know how but because he is missing his right arm.

He bought a GTR instead.

He still wants a Viper but just cant do it. It's sad really.

He'd do a Viper auto in a heart beat.

[XTREME SUPERCARS]

What do you suppose the weight difference would be ?

The 8L90 is probably lighter I will know more soon

[XTREME SUPERCARS]

That unit is a rear mount. Not a trans axel, but a rear mount. Are you planning on mounting it at the rear in front of the differential?

They just started offering it in the truck

[TheAnonymousOne]

So all Formula 1 racers are pussies?

Brilliant Logic!

Well yeah they kind of are. 5'8" and 120lbs is a swoll F1 driver. :ROFL:

[Black Pearl]

Sounds like a great idea. Can it also be work with Gen3 & 4?

[J TNT]

Interesting build , hope you have succees with it !
I prefer stick , but it's a great option for those with health issues

[Viktimize]

I haven't checked recently but there usually is a trans case difference for various applications.

Wayne, you might want to look at the ZF trans that is used in the Hellcat applications. With the variety of vehicles including the now rumored Jeep installation the ZF might have exactly what you want. I'm not so sure about the associated SW.

The problem here is going to be cost due to lack of volume and lack of factory blessing and warranty. The AT and vert need to be factory offerings to get this off the ground.

IMO, if they were factory offerings, the AT would out sell the manual and the vert would outsell the coupe. The largest Viper sales would be an AT vert.

Casing should be irrelevant as long as it fits in the tunnel. I'm sure it isn't all that hard to have a custom bellhousing made to connect it to the engine.

I'm sure it has been mentioned about 1000 times now on this forum, the ZF-8Speed simply does not fit in the trans tunnel of a Viper.

[ViperGTS]

Beating a ...or not?

Times are changing but bad ass cars not so much.
Except for health issues (knees, legs, ...) as mentioned many times.

An automatic takes away control from the driver. That's a NO-NO for most owners. We want control.
How much power is going to the wheels. The AT kills that feeling/driving.

The important word here is: c-l-u-t-c-h. The driver decides how much power is delivered to the rear wheels.

[XTREME SUPERCARS]

Sounds like a great idea. Can it also be work with Gen3 & 4?

I would think it would be the same

[XTREME SUPERCARS]

Beating a ...or not?

Times are changing but bad ass cars not so much.
Except for health issues (knees, legs, ...) as mentioned many times.

An automatic takes away control from the driver. That's a NO-NO for most owners. We want control.
How much power is going to the wheels. The AT kills that feeling/driving.

The important word here is: c-l-u-t-c-h. The driver decides how much power is delivered to the rear wheels.

Not arguing that the Viper is meant to have a stick
I just want to give you another option
I love my stick i'm even getting better at heal-tow
Thanks
Wayne

[Whitemamba]

Well I will say this. When you pay for my car payment, then you can have a say in what I buy or what I want as a buyer. Do I like driving a stick? You bet I do. Do I like driving an automatic? You bet I do. Plenty of people like driving them as well. GM sells more A8 Z06s than they do M7s.

[TrackAire]

Well I will say this. When you pay for my car payment, then you can have a say in what I buy or what I want as a buyer. Do I like driving a stick? You bet I do. Do I like driving an automatic? You bet I do. Plenty of people like driving them as well. GM sells more A8 Z06s than they do M7s.

Bingo, excellent point.

[ViperSmith]

Defining masculinity by the ability to row gears

lol

[Vprbite]

Personally, I enjoy the manual, but having had 3 knee surgeries on my left and one on my right, I could see a day in the future that I would need to switch to a different make for the auto. There must be 100s of people out there (either former Viper owners who've switched or maybe potential buyers who have shyed away because of this). Last Viper mag issue comes to mind with the awesome owner who wrecked the Viper, lost his leg and made a full recovery (Praise God) to get back into a Viper... Kind of a miracle that he is back in a manual.... Knees, hips, ankles, hips.... None of us is getting any younger.. ha ha

Thanks for the shout out!!! Yes I did work hard to get back in a Viper. Had it been offered in an auto/paddle, I will tell you that would have been a tough decision. One of my promises to myself was to get my whole life back and not give up a part of it. We did a 400 mile drive on Saturday and I spent most of Sunday with my right knee hurting like hell. If you recall the right knee had to be fully rebuilt. And that thing still hurts bad and I am now taking up martial arts as a way to continue strengthening in all axes. I am currently 35 years old and am guaranteed a knee replacement in my life. So, I easily could see my desires changing.

One thing about the paddle is, they always feel like shifting fantasy camp. Is the technology there so that it is truly like a manual? Meaning, will it let you hit the rev limiter without overriding and shifting for you? Do you have to pull the paddles at the right time?

[Vprbite]

A buddy of mine wanted a Viper but can't drive a stick. Not because he doesn't know how but because he is missing his right arm.

He bought a GTR instead.

He still wants a Viper but just cant do it. It's sad really.

He'd do a Viper auto in a heart beat.

Can you PM me? In my experiences over the past few years I have learned some things and know of some companies working on solutions for exactly that. Also, having a good prosthetist can make all the difference in the world and I can recommend one if he doesn't feel he is reaching his full potential

I also know a quad amputee who may be of some help as he has learned to do everything as a quad amputee that didn't happen until later in life.

I commend your friend. I know how difficult it is adjusting to something like that. Sounds like wayne may have exactly what your friend needs. Please PM me though.

[ViperDog]

I think you could make some good money if the factory won't do this. But if they do, you're dead in the water unless your product is a superior performer.

[USCDOC]

The race cars run sequentials.

Is this the same tranny that left the team without a finish at Le Mans?

[XSnake]

What tranny is being run in the Viper Exchange Comp Cars?

Xtracs, they are about 50-60k last I checked

[XTREME SUPERCARS]

Wayne, if you put something together and it is clean, structured and modular in the approach, I think you will be very surprised with just how much real interest there will be. I would not even worry if it is a Chrysler, GM, Ford or other tranny out of the parts bin to make it work. As long as bolt on only with no cutting, hacking, etc, that is the key to people buying into it.

I think it is a great idea. Despite my desire and enjoyment/preference of a manual, my wife just has zero interest in even learning to drive a manual but she loves to drive but only drive an auto. I have to respect that so if we want another Viper in the family fold, it is going to have to have paddles.

My only advice is chat with Viper Exchange as they seem to be filling all the wish list configurations for all new owners. In reality with all their performance options and body mods, the tranny change is the last option they have left. I would be very surprised if they were not working on something right now.

I would not do it unless it is a clean install. It will look and work OEM. I think I can even work out the warranty issue's
Thanks for the input
Wayne

[FLATOUT]

Is this the same tranny that left the team without a finish at Le Mans?

What sequential the race cars run has nothing to do with this thread, but yes a 50-60k sequential racing Trans failed after 23 hrs of racing at Lemans.

[Bruce H.]

I think the ACR is making a strong case for the factory's need to offer a DCT, particularly in the Extreme version which is as close to a dedicated track/race car as you can get and still be streetable. A manual doesn't belong in it and slows the car down if you're honest about it. If you're that serious about squeezing out extreme performance you've long stopped worrying about whether a manual provides a more engaging driving experience.

For that reason and need I wonder if the factory is working on one, and we could be the last to know if they are. This would be shared among all models, and would also go a long ways to explain why the factory hasn't invested in an auto if a DCT is the real end game. I know there are packaging issues to be dealt with, but Team Viper, Prefix/Arrow and Viper Exchange have all proven themselves to be nothing if not resourceful!

[ViperPete]

I swapped IN a T56 into my 2005 Ram SRT10. Whole project cost me around 4 grand.

I cannot imagine swapping in the 48RE into a Viper would cost more than that on a Gen 3/4.

[Vypr Phil]

I think the ACR is making a strong case for the factory's need to offer a DCT, particularly in the Extreme version which is as close to a dedicated track/race car as you can get and still be streetable. A manual doesn't belong in it and slows the car down if you're honest about it. If you're that serious about squeezing out extreme performance you've long stopped worrying about whether a manual provides a more engaging driving experience.

For that reason and need I wonder if the factory is working on one, and we could be the last to know if they are. This would be shared among all models, and would also go a long ways to explain why the factory hasn't invested in an auto if a DCT is the real end game. I know there are packaging issues to be dealt with, but Team Viper, Prefix/Arrow and Viper Exchange have all proven themselves to be nothing if not resourceful!

Best comment I ever read on this site and thankfully coming from a true, qualified, serious and dedicated track rat!

It is my opinion that a Nürburgring Viper track record lap could have a 5 second advantage with a DCT which just might make a sub 7-minute lap possible.