Thanks to JonB, a new world record!!

[stuntman]

I dont think the R888 comes in a 295/35/18 fyi.

I'm not looking to run R888s. I'm interested in running PSS.

Dude, give it a rest...295/30 fits and Im sure a 295/35 would fit on a stock rim.

This lack of details is killing me...

295/30-18 fits a 18x10 on a Gen 2, it's the Gen 4 ACR factory tire. I get it.

Jon said a 295/35-19 is too large which leads to the assumption that the 295/30-19 might work (which is what Dave runs), and a 295/30-19 has the same OD as a 295/35-18 which Jon says does not work.

[Dajerseyviper]

I'm not looking to run R888s. I'm interested in running PSS.


This lack of details is killing me...

295/30-18 fits a 18x10 on a Gen 2, it's the Gen 4 ACR factory tire. I get it.

Jon said a 295/35-19 is too large which leads to the assumption that the 295/30-19 might work (which is what Dave runs), and a 295/30-19 has the same OD as a 295/35-18 which Jon says does not work.

Use a tire size calculator and see what the differences in height and width are. Usually up to 1" even 1.5" usually clears on stock suspension cars. Keep in mind if a tire is 1" wider, thats only .5" on each side wider, the height is what would worry me on any car. You cant roll fiberglass fenders..lol

[dave6666]

My 19 x 11 F are +1, 0, not +.5, .5 ref width.

[octopus]

exactly what I ordered. 295/30/18 and 335/30/18 perfect set up bro!

Sweet! I'll probably go with that as well. Where'd you spin out at? I'll be avoiding that road, for sure haha.. Hopefully you didn't damage anything and were able to get back on the road with just some fresh tires.

[stuntman]

Dave, does your hood touch your tire when opening the hood? Are you at stock ride height or did u get the BCs on?

[Dajerseyviper]

My 19 x 11 F are +1, 0, not +.5, .5 ref width.

a 1" wider tire on the same exact offset rim will be .5" wider "PER SIDE" although the tire is 1" wider total, the width is measured from the centerline, for clearance purposes of course.

[Dajerseyviper]

Sweet! I'll probably go with that as well. Where'd you spin out at? I'll be avoiding that road, for sure haha.. Hopefully you didn't damage anything and were able to get back on the road with just some fresh tires.

On a 2 lane highway spun from the right lane to the left and into a center median. Thank god it was all grass, and the curb had just ended and I just passed a tree..No damage just some dust in my mouth and eyes.. I just felt my old tires and they actually felt like an actual hockey puck.

[Dajerseyviper]

Dave, does your hood touch your tire when opening the hood? Are you at stock ride height or did u get the BCs on?

Where would the hood touch the tires??Just curious.

[octopus]

On a 2 lane highway spun from the right lane to the left and into a center median. Thank god it was all grass, and the curb had just ended and I just passed a tree..No damage just some dust in my mouth and eyes.. I just felt my old tires and they actually felt like an actual hockey puck.

Wow! Luck was on your side man... Cleared all the obstacles lol. Glad you and the car made it out alright. I was going to go for a little spin this morning but threatening skies said otherwise. I bet you want to get out there too.

[stuntman]

Where would the hood touch the tires??Just curious.

Back side of the front tires when the hood is popped, not fully open. The gap gets smaller/hits worse when lowering the car.

I found these quotes from years ago:

I'm running a 295/30/19 (26" OD) on the front, 11" wide wheel, on my stock sprung '01 GTS. There are no rub issues except very slight when closing the hood. Not enough to need to do anything but be aware of it.

I run a 295/35/18 on my 18X11 rim up front. Im lowered with Eibachs. No rubbing issues while driving, but to open/close my hood the tires have to be turned all the way to the right.

Both of these setups have the same 11" wide wheel and their OD is within 0.1" but dun's car is lowered which makes the hood to tire interference (when popped) worse.

It seems that a 295/35-18 or 295/30-19 (26.0-26.1" ODs) work alright at stock ride heights with minimal touching when opening the hood, but when lowered it can cause problems and requires the tires being turned to open the hood.

This is unfortunate since a lowered car using either of these wheels would look pretty good and fill out the wheel wells compared to the smaller OD 295/30-18.

Now I'm wondering if the 25.9" OD 285/35-18 or even the factory 25.6" OD 275/35-18 will have issues opening the hood when lowered...

Edit - adding more quotes:

Hey Dom,

I actually just purchased the KW Variant 2 Coilovers for my car. You must have a 96 or 97.. can't tell from your default picture, but either way our cars are the same when having them lowered. How many fingers can you put between the tire and the fender wall? I was actually speaking with Bill Pemberton and he strongly advised me not to lower the car too much since my front tires could possibly rub up against the hood causing it harm. This worries me greatly, so I thought I would ask how low your car is before I get mine lowered next friday/saturday. By the way, below are my tire sizes since I'm sure this will make a difference if your tires aren't the same as mine.

Michelin Pilot Sport 2, 295/30/ZR19
Michelin Pilot Sport 2, 335/30/ZR20

costanZo , I think have the same Front tire size as you as i have 19's all around. Only Eibach springs here. No clearance issues besides when i pop the hood the corner slightly rubs the tire. So i see why people say with both srings&caps or bigger wheels like 20's need to turn the wheel or something to get the hood open. With the KW's you have the ability to adjust to whatever hieght you like. If your into performance i suggest finding an alignment shop that does cornerbalancing.

I pulled my spring caps and went back to stock. I was rubbing over EVERY bump, even driving slowly, with a 7/16" drop from the caps and 1" from the springs.

For future reference for future lowerers:

19/20 wheel setup
Michelin PS2s
Front: 275/30-19 (25.6" tall tire)
Rear: 335/30-20 (28" tall tire)
Front Lowered: 1.4375" (Intrax springs and ART caps)
Rear Lowered: 1" (Intrax springs)
NO RUBBING

The extra 7/16"(rear lowered) it was dropped in the rear made all the difference in the world. When I lose 1.2" of tire when I switch to a 25 sidewall on Nittos or Toyos, I'll put the caps back in. Hope this helps.

My hood just BAAAAAARELY touches the tires with the PS2 setup when I open the hood, but not enough to where I have to cut the wheels like guys with a 20/20 setup.

^that answers my question. A 275/35-18 will just barely touch the hood when lowered ~1.5"

[dave6666]

What damn difference does it make when something that doesn't matter happens? LMAO you are a trip man. Do you go over your car with feeler gauges every time you drive it? Just to be sure it's still it spec since the drive 10 minutes ago? You take anal to obnoxious. Would hate to be your car.

[dave6666]

a 1" wider tire on the same exact offset rim will be .5" wider "PER SIDE" although the tire is 1" wider total, the width is measured from the centerline, for clearance purposes of course.

The edge, where it would rub, where it matters based on the additional width placement, is how I described mine. But yes, you are correct that any wheel that you add one inch to gains one half inch from it's centerline outboard.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

What damn difference does it make when something that doesn't matter happens? LMAO you are a trip man. Do you go over your car with feeler gauges every time you drive it? Just to be sure it's still it spec since the drive 10 minutes ago? You take anal to obnoxious. Would hate to be your car.

The Sky Is Falling



ps: JonB said 'too tall' [vs -30 series,] not 'too large.' Its different.

pps JonB also did NOT say it 'wont fit' HIS car....I dunno about yours. Mods Matter, Wheel matter, Miles matter.

ppps JonB also said that 'most hood-clearance issues G1 and G2 are with 20" fronts' [or too-tall -35 series 19" fronts.)

pppps: Did you know that between manufacturers, a 295-30-18 from one mfr may NOT be the same dimensions as a 295-30-18 from another? FACT! It is a common misconception that 'tire math is math' and that is not so. Viper examples abound, with C1 vs Non- C1 PS and PS2 tires, and again now with 3:55-30-19 tires as illustrated in new VQ.\
Believe it or not, a 275-35-18 PS1, PS2, and PSS all from Michelin have DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS!!!

[It does not sound like you'll be buying any tires from me anyway, so GOOD LUCK with your research quest.]

[slovenom]

You take anal to obnoxious. Would hate to be your car"

what Dave said. ... just let it go man! !!

[AZTVR]

As an independent observer, stuntman, I also find your online attitude to be off putting just as much as the others. Expecting that every word be read posted on a forum, and be responded to with exactitude and expecting that there will be no confusion or misunderstanding. This is why the internet and emails fail as human conversation.

[SNKEBIT]

[QUOTE=AZTVR;145565]As an independent observer, stuntman, I also find your online attitude to be off putting just as much as the others. Expecting that every word be read posted on a forum, and be responded to with exactitude and expecting that there will be no confusion or misunderstanding. This is why the internet and emails fail as human conversation.[/QUOTE]


^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^

[RT SERPENT]

These last 2 posts are gold!!!!

For the record, I'm running the Toyo R888's (which I purchased from JonB) on my Gen 2,
Stock wheels, lowering caps (bringing down the ride height about 3/4")
Front: 315/30R18
Rear: 335/30R18

They grip like a mofo on the track, and I've never had any rubbing issues.
(Unless you're driving with your hood popped (which most Viper owners would not recommend!) they work great.

[sparkrn]

Jon shouldn't answer any of your questions, you need to be more respectful and thankful for free advice! You know who you are.

[Rizzo]

Yes. Jon B is an ass. Once I ordered tires from him and they arrived a day early. AND he sold them to me cheaper than anyone else would. Another time I ordered an intake from him. Damn if it didnt show up early too and with a bunch of free goodies in it. Worst was last year when he had some free Nurburgring decals for my ACR he couriered them to me but instead of having the courier deliver them direct to my desk I had to actually get off my fat ass and walk to reception to pick up my free decals. I hate customer service like that. LOL.

[Dajerseyviper]

MY tires arrive before I even ordered them...lol..Talk about a thread derailment.

[Sybil TF]

The Sky Is Falling



ps: JonB said 'too tall' [vs -30 series,] not 'too large.' Its different.


pppps: Did you know that between manufacturers, a 295-30-18 from one mfr may NOT be the same dimensions as a 295-30-18 from another? FACT!
Believe it or not, a 275-35-18 PS1, PS2, and PSS all from Michelin have DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS!!!

Yes , that is what I said. LOL Nitto and Toyos run noticeably smaller when mounted on the same rim and compared side by side with a Mich. or Goodyear etc...

[octopus]

Can you give us a little review on how you're liking the tires thus far? I know you probably haven't had too much seat time with them yet but I've been wondering. I did a little more reading and though the tires are very sticky, I heard they're LOUD on the road. Is this true in your opinion? Any other comments (positive or negative) about the R888's? Thanks man.

[plumcrazy]

tires too loud ? cant imagine that being an issue for most viper owners....maybe if you have a stock exhaust ?

[Dajerseyviper]

Can you give us a little review on how you're liking the tires thus far? I know you probably haven't had too much seat time with them yet but I've been wondering. I did a little more reading and though the tires are very sticky, I heard they're LOUD on the road. Is this true in your opinion? Any other comments (positive or negative) about the R888's? Thanks man.

I havent noticed any noise from them over the BFG's I had. They are very sticky, I cant loose the tail and drift it going around a turn if I tried anymore..!st to 2nd gear "chirp" and squat and hooks...I dont know if it is the wider tire up front or just the sticky tire, but the steering feels heavier, tighter and more feedback from the road. I need to check tire pressures, dont know what the place set them at, but the ride feels a little harsher for sure. What is the recommended PSI for warm weather street use??

[thetalonguy]

What is the recommended PSI for warm weather street use??

I've been doing 30psi at all corners.

BTW, I love mine. I don't notice any extra road noise, but as Plum pointed out our cars are generally louder in other areas. Rough ride and noise are not of my concern in this car. I'm so happy the JonB put me in these.

Also, drove home in the rain last weekend and they were fine. Stay clear of standing water.