Need some help

[cornel68]

I found one 2008 Dodge Viper ACR Hennessey Venom 700 R , only 24 cars built,with John Hennessey signature on identification plate,model with 725 Hp,but I cannot find nothing on internet about the prices for this car( new and used).
The car has now only 1700 miles and it is in perfect conditions,like new.
Can somebody help me to value this car to pay the right price to the owner.

Thank you in advance for your support.

Cornel

[ACRucrazy]

To start I can tell you it's not an ACR. If it "was" an ACR, the ACR wheels and aero have been removed.
Second I wouldn't pay a premium for a Hennessey Viper.
Looks like a Nice 1700 mile Gen IV though.

[SA Heat]

Is that car in Germany?

[cornel68]

ACRucrazy:I check the car is ACR and she have the logo on both lateral sides.Can you help me with the price value?

SA Heat: No is not in Germany...

[Steve M]

ACRucrazy:I check the car is ACR and she have the logo on both lateral sides.Can you help me with the price value?

SA Heat: No is not in Germany...

The car is an ACR because it has a sticker on it, or because you ran the VIN and it came back as an ACR? It appears to be missing everything that makes an ACR an ACR (aero [splitter, dive planes, rear wing] being the big one).

The Hennessey name doesn't carry much weight in the Viper community, so to me, that car would be treated like any other modded, low mile Gen 4 - probably worth somewhere in the $60k-$70k range. An actual ACR would fetch more, but that ain't an ACR, and if it is, someone didn't understand what they were doing with it.

[G37Sam]

Given that it has an ACR badge but looks nowhere near one, I wouldn't be surprised if the owners of that car played with the odometer. 1,700 miles on a 2008 sounds too good to be true. I would do a lot more research.

[cornel68]

In attachment you will find the registration document,where is write : DODGE VIPER SRT 10 ACR HENNESSEY 700.
I have also the VIN: 1B3JZ69Z18V201310.
Can somebody to tell me wich was the sale price for this new car( 0 miles) in 2008?
And how much is the value today at 1700 miles ?

Thanks

[G37Sam]

Cornel,

This is what a 4th Generation Viper ACR looks like, far from the pics you posted.



I can get a piece of paper that says my Viper is a twin turbo ACR as well, doesn't mean it is.

I googled your VIN and not a single website said it's an ACR. Try it.

[ISLINGTONCF]

I just ran the VIN through dealerconnect and it confirms that the VIN number you have is in fact an ACR. However, if you look at the optional equipment it states that this car originally had the two tone black center band which is no longer on the car...along with all the other items that make it an ACR?

Seems strange to me?



VIN: 1B3JZ69Z18V201310 In Service Date: October 29, 2008 Year/Model: 2008 DODGE VIPER SRT10 COUPE

Optional Equipment
Code Description Code Description Code Description
*CL Preferred Suede Leather Trim Seats -X9 Black ACR Competition Group
APQP Black Center Band Two Tone BR1P Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc Brakes DEC 6-Speed Manual TREMEC Transmission
EWE 8.4L V10 SFI Engine LN8P Delete Fog Lamps MXEP Front Splitter Spoiler
MXNP Rear Winged Spoiler MYHP ACR Badge NAS 50 State Emissions
PK3 Viper Very Orange Pearl Coat RA8 Delete Radio SDKP Competition Suspension
TN1P 295/30ZR18 345/30ZR19 Perf Tires TZHP Michelin Brand Tires WP1P 18X10.0 19X13.0 Frgd Sidewinder Whls
XGTP Ft Fasc w/Aero Plates Ground Effects YEP Manuf Statement of Origin YGEA 5 Additional Gallons of Gas
0BBA FAM: ZB TRACKING: 80513S18 MY:2008 2DAA Customer Preferred Package 2DA 21A Customer Preferred Package 21A
3EJA Gas Guzzler Tax 39LA Includes Full Tank of Fuel 4EA Sold Vehicle

[SA Heat]

I'd be willing to bet the car has been wrecked and was repaired without the (very) expensive wing, splitter and canards. I found a lot of photos of that car on a German website and the ACR stickers look like they're mounted higher on the fender than usual too. I'm not positive but I don't think it has two piece rotors either.....at least not the stock ones.

Photos here....

http://riekmann.prohosting.com/verka...008_orange.htm

[Steve M]

So it has all the stuff to be a hardcore ACR, minus the aero, wrong wheels, and questionable brake rotors.

I'd guess that this car has a history as well, and that alone would really limit your market.

[viper_eddie]

So basically stay away from it, is what I would say. Anytime something smells fishy, best to move on. Is there something particular about this car that makes you want it? Orange paint, power output, ACR, etc...

[cornel68]

I think that all the modification from standard ACR are made by Hennessey Performance . I belive they take the new car from the Dodge factory and make this short series(24 pcs.) with also external modification,not only for the motor.I check also on Hennessey web site and they have one photo with this limited series that are made in 1998,and the cars has no stripes.
This car was sold from Austria like new and now is in Italy.I check all the car with special devices and it is perfect,original paint,no wrecked...
In conclusion if the car is real one with the performance that Hennesey declare for this,what is the market value for the car?
I want to buy because I think it is a rare car and it is a good investment for the future.

[G37Sam]

You really don't want to listen do you?

Go ahead and pay $200,000 then. It's an amazing price for a very rare item, definitely the investment of the century.

Good luck.

[cornel68]

The requested price is only 60.000 USD...

[commandomatt]

With questionable documentation, its no more special than a stock, low mileage car.

One of 24 is not rare at all in the Viper world. Plenty of 1 of 1's and 1 of only a few.

As mentioned, a Hennesy Viper isn't necessarily highly regarded. You be better off finding a true (stock), low mileage ACR if you want something unusual that will hold its value pretty well. A financial investment it will most likely never be in your lifetime. Its an investment in fun.

[Steve M]

I think that all the modification from standard ACR are made by Hennessey Performance . I belive they take the new car from the Dodge factory and make this short series(24 pcs.) with also external modification,not only for the motor.I check also on Hennessey web site and they have one photo with this limited series that are made in 1998,and the cars has no stripes.
This car was sold from Austria like new and now is in Italy.I check all the car with special devices and it is perfect,original paint,no wrecked...
In conclusion if the car is real one with the performance that Hennesey declare for this,what is the market value for the car?
I want to buy because I think it is a rare car and it is a good investment for the future.

Good investment? The car clearly has a shady history...if someone is only asking $60k for a super low mile Gen 4, something is wrong with it. Buy it if you wish, but don't say we didn't warn you.

Hennessey only carries weight for those that don't know anything about cars. His marketing was excellent...his business practices, not so much.

[cornel68]

Ok...thanks for your advise...I contact Hennessey Performance to request more info about this car....maybe they can confirm it is a real ACR, made in limited edition and also which is the actual value of this car...

[RedTanRT/10]

When I read posts about "how much is it worth" and the OP is not really listening to the responses, that's the indicator that the OP is the seller of the car.


Cornel68, if you are really a buyer $60K US is the market price for that viper assuming that you can verify on paper and visually that it has not been wrecked or salvage title.

To your comment about being a "rare car and a good investment" viper's aren't unless your comparing to a negative yield bond in Europe.

To find our more about this viper or hennessey vipers, pring, etc. etc., trying using google It took me 2 minutes to find where that viper is located

http://www.performanceinvest.com/car...ey-venom-700-r

[bluesrt]

with no stripe cars came factory painted color match in the lower rear air foil- yours is black

[Steve M]

Ok...thanks for your advise...I contact Hennessey Performance to request more info about this car....maybe they can confirm it is a real ACR, made in limited edition and also which is the actual value of this car...

It won't matter what they have to say...they won't know the history of the car after it left their hands. The fact that it is missing some very expensive aero bits and the very expensive Sidewinder wheels that came factory on all ACRs is a huge red flag. One of two things happened: Hennessey removed those parts to be sold later for some fat $$$, or the car was wrecked, and deemed a bad financial decision to source the correct replacement parts during the rebuild. Either way, the stuff that makes an ACR valuable is gone. Hennessey's modifications were nothing special...any bolt-on Gen 4 would produce similar results. They claimed they did computer modifications to the car, but they never had the source code...they had to rely on the Mopar PCM just like everyone else at the time.

If you like the color and options as currently installed (noting that there's no radio since it was a hardcore), then go ahead and buy it. If you try to resell it to anyone in the Viper community later on, these issues will come up all over again. The only way you could turn a profit is if you could dupe someone that doesn't research vehicle purchases.

[bluesrt]

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[cornel68]

When I read posts about "how much is it worth" and the OP is not really listening to the responses, that's the indicator that the OP is the seller of the car.


Cornel68, if you are really a buyer $60K US is the market price for that viper assuming that you can verify on paper and visually that it has not been wrecked or salvage title.

To your comment about being a "rare car and a good investment" viper's aren't unless your comparing to a negative yield bond in Europe.

To find our more about this viper or hennessey vipers, pring, etc. etc., trying using google It took me 2 minutes to find where that viper is located

http://www.performanceinvest.com/car...ey-venom-700-r

If you can call the company that you find on internet you will find the answer: already sold.
The car is still in Italy and the actual owner want to sell it because bankruptcy....

[cornel68]

First answer from Hennessey:

Dear Corneliu,

Thank you for contacting Hennessey Performance for all of your high performance automotive needs! We pride ourselves in building extremely powerful and reliable vehicles and would like the opportunity to do the same for you.

The price of the Venom 700R package costs $17,950, clearly that does not include the price of the Dodge Viper. As for current value, we do not have a monetary figure since we are not a dealership. That being said, Hennessey vehicles tend to recapture their value if not more upon resale.

Please feel free to contact me with any other questions or concerns that you may have.

Best,

Patrick Vry
High Performance Consultant

Hennessey Performance
9281 SW I-10 Frontage Rd
Sealy, Texas 77474
Office 979.885.1300
Direct 713.650.5324
Fax 979.877.0690

[cornel68]

Now, I send to Hennessey the pictures and all the documents that I have,including the VIN ,maybe they can tell me more about this car...