Need some help

[Steve M]

First answer from Hennessey:

Dear Corneliu,

Thank you for contacting Hennessey Performance for all of your high performance automotive needs! We pride ourselves in building extremely powerful and reliable vehicles and would like the opportunity to do the same for you.

The price of the Venom 700R package costs $17,950, clearly that does not include the price of the Dodge Viper. As for current value, we do not have a monetary figure since we are not a dealership. That being said, Hennessey vehicles tend to recapture their value if not more upon resale. Please feel free to contact me with any other questions or concerns that you may have.

Best,

Patrick Vry
High Performance Consultant

Hennessey Performance
9281 SW I-10 Frontage Rd
Sealy, Texas 77474
Office 979.885.1300
Direct 713.650.5324
Fax 979.877.0690

I smell bullshit.

[commandomatt]

OP, It appears that you are oblivious to all the responses you have got on this thread so far.

Note that there is not a single one telling you what a great buy or investment this is. Since you apparently put more faith in what a questionable builder of the car will tell you then the feedback from an unbiased membership, then why even ask questions on this forum ?

You probably wanted more positive responses as far as what a great car this was. I don't think anyone here will tell you that.

Having said that, if you want the car, by all means, go get it. Just make sure you buy it for the right reasons and don't be surprised if it comes around and kicks you in the ass.

[cornel68]

OP, It appears that you are oblivious to all the responses you have got on this thread so far.

Note that there is not a single one telling you what a great buy or investment this is. Since you apparently put more faith in what a questionable builder of the car will tell you then the feedback from an unbiased membership, then why even ask questions on this forum ?

You probably wanted more positive responses as far as what a great car this was. I don't think anyone here will tell you that.

Having said that, if you want the car, by all means, go get it. Just make sure you buy it for the right reasons and don't be surprised if it comes around and kicks you in the ass.

OK...You convinced me to buy the car and I will put on the next auction at Silverstone to see how will react the english Viper fan's. If I not receive minimum 100.000 Euro for the car,I do not sell and I keep it in my showroom... until the next auction...

[TrackAire]

From the pictures, I can't tell for sure but it does look like it has the yellow KW ACR type springs and hopefully the shocks. Does it also have the ACR swaybars?....... which I believe are slightly bigger than the standard SRT swaybars.

If it has all the ACR underpinnings, I would say this car was in fact an ACR with VIN verification and was probably in a wreck and has been repaired. Who in their right mind would remove the ACR splitter and wing assembly if it was not damaged??

There are many Vipers running around that were totalled but do not show salvage titles. It is very easy to do if you know which states to run the paperwork through, etc. Do not trust Car Fax, etc as the final answer.

Having said all that, if you can pick up the car for a good price and it has been repaired correctly, what the hell, get it. Nothing else in Italy will have 600 plus hp for under $60,000.00 and you'll definitely be the only dude on the block with one.

[labtec]

Look at it this way....I heard the missing rear wing alone costs around $20,000.00. Someone can correct me if this is wrong information. Without the rear wing, front cannards, brakes, etc. it is not a complete ACR, period.

[bluesrt]

the acr parts are way cheap now/ you can buy all ther stuff oem for around 15k

[BlknBlu]

I can look up the VIN tonight if that is the real Mccoy.

Congrats on the slowest ACR in existence at the track. Someone made a boat load of money on the wing, wheels, splitter and dive planes. Check the part number on the trunk struts. No one would change them over ACR ones on a coupe.

enjoy

Bruce

[BlknBlu]

according to the Viper registry it is an ACR with a black centerband sold out of Nebraska. I have more details at home.

http://www.vipertruckregistry.com/Vi...%20Vipers.html

Bruce

[Loud]

Cornel, you will be making a mistake not listening to the feedback on this forum on that car or Hennessey. And asking Hennessey about that car would be the joke of the month.

For your $60k budget, you can get a *much* better car.

Good luck.

A

[Roddy]

[98intrigue]

OP, It appears that you are oblivious to all the responses you have got on this thread so far.

Note that there is not a single one telling you what a great buy or investment this is. Since you apparently put more faith in what a questionable builder of the car will tell you then the feedback from an unbiased membership, then why even ask questions on this forum ?

You probably wanted more positive responses as far as what a great car this was. I don't think anyone here will tell you that.

Having said that, if you want the car, by all means, go get it. Just make sure you buy it for the right reasons and don't be surprised if it comes around and kicks you in the ass.

Wrong

You really don't want to listen do you?

Go ahead and pay $200,000 then. It's an amazing price for a very rare item, definitely the investment of the century.

Good luck.

[Leslie]

Lots of very good recommendations.
Buy the car if you like it, I wouldn't bank on it as an investment.
I personally would spend my $ on a nice, authentic viper with no history.

[AZTVR]

For your $60k budget, you can get a *much* better car.

Really ??? I am truly surprised at that, given the circumstances. We are talking about a modifed car already on the ground in Europe. We don't know whether import duties have been paid although it does appear to have some Swiss documentation. Although the tuner is questionable among Viper enthusiasts; however, for the general public, and especially overseas he is a "name" brand. I doubt that for most buyers in Europe, his name has a negative connotation; but rather a positive one. So if the OP is buying the car to flip, I think that is is a plus. If buying just for himself, then he should verify the horsepower claim to make sure it does have the aftermarket performance parts on it that the stickers imply. Definitely, the car has been reworked, most probably due to an accident. The ACR bodywork would not have been removed by Hennesey or most likely anyone in the US unless it were damaged, and it appears that the car has been repainted. From what I've read, it is not uncommon that salvaged cars end up overseas. Does it matter much there, IF the car was repaired properly and the price is right? That is the big question that the OP has to answer, or whether he cares, if he is flipping the car.

[SA Heat]

OK...You convinced me to buy the car and I will put on the next auction at Silverstone to see how will react the english Viper fan's. If I not receive minimum 100.000 Euro for the car,I do not sell and I keep it in my showroom... until the next auction...

I'm pretty sure this is the European passive-aggressive way of saying "f*** you".

[viper_eddie]

I'm pretty sure this is the European passive-aggressive way of saying "f*** you".

Haha real work of art this guy. Go ahead and buy it, you might make money but then again you might not.

[Fatboy 18]

OK...You convinced me to buy the car and I will put on the next auction at Silverstone to see how will react the english Viper fan's. If I not receive minimum 100.000 Euro for the car,I do not sell and I keep it in my showroom... until the next auction...

£73,000 for an ACR that isn't You are having a bleeding laugh mate! Will not sell in the UK!

This car has been for sale for ages in the UK, (imported in from Cyprus) http://www.carsite.co.uk/used-car/do..._1425_86646514
LHD is very off putting for many UK car owners. Very limited market.

[G37Sam]

The thread title makes a lot more sense now, you definitely need a lot of help.

[cornel68]

In conclusion as the majority of those who have given their opinion here, this Dodge Viper ACR Hennessey Venom 700 R is a wrecked junk repaired and which are not worth two US Dollars ... maybe you're right ...is better to look for a real European car, like Ferrari ...

[Chorps]

I think you are really conflating a bunch of issues here. No one is saying you shouldn't get a Viper, but this particular car has a lot of red flags.

Hennessey is not a name that you should trust, especially for Vipers. There is a history of bad dealings and a shady past, regardless of Hennessey's current PR and status. Any Hennessey vehicle is immediately suspect because of his past problems with parts being moved back and forth without the knowledge or permission of the buyer.

http://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comment...ke_himself_so/
http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/th...ormance.17015/
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=455&tID=171
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...heads-problems

Since this is a car that is an ACR model, there are major red flags that have been put up as well. The 3 major things that the ACR model has over the normal Viper are the aero (body), brakes and shocks. Changing out the body (and color) to a normal Viper is a huge red flag that the parts have been either taken off to be resold or destroyed in a crash (and the owner was too cheap to replace the expensive aero parts).

So for *this particular Viper*, everyone here is telling you that you shouldn't fall in love with this vehicle and look at it with a very skeptical eye. That's all.

[SA Heat]

... maybe you're right ...is better to look for a real European car, like Ferrari ...

As opposed to a fake European car like the Viper?

[XSnake]

If you aren't prepared for the answer, you shouldn't ask the question.

[SA Heat]

^^^^
This!

[viper_eddie]

In conclusion as the majority of those who have given their opinion here, this Dodge Viper ACR Hennessey Venom 700 R is a wrecked junk repaired and which are not worth two US Dollars ... maybe you're right ...is better to look for a real European car, like Ferrari ...

OR you could say thanks for the help and saving my ass, instead you respond with more passive aggressive crap.

The Ferraris that are comparable in price to a Viper have a timing belt so you have to take the whole engine out (exception is 360 and 550). The Viper has a timing chain on one side and a timing belt on the other. So when you do the timing belt change you only have to take out half the engine, saves some time! This is because the original Viper engine was designed by Dodge and Lamborghini and the Americans wanted a chain and the Italians a belt so they just settled it half way.

All joking aside, there is a Maserati from the 1980s (Merak?) that has a timing chain and belt, although I don't think you have to take the engine out. Oh those Italians and their engineering...

[AZTVR]

I think that the OP's mistake was that he came on to a Viper forum asking the opinion of Viper enthusiasts their opinion based on their experience and knowledge of the Viper and "special" editions. Unfortunately what he got was the opinion of people who love and respect the Viper rather than whatever it is he wanted to hear.