FCC votes to regulate the internet...

[Sybil TF]

And Obama rules certain AR ammo banned.

The end is near...

[Sybil TF]

I'm starting to think that he is not going to leave when his term is up. I mean, who is going to stop him? lol

[pony23]

They are voting on Internet providers (Comcast, AT&T, etc...) having the ability to slow down your internet speed depending on what sites you visit. So say YouTube doesn't pay Comcast a fee, Comcast will slow down your connection to them. I don't think that is right. I pay for a connection, I want it fast for all sites. Not just Comcast approved sites.

Comcast is just an example.

[Chorps]

And Obama rules certain AR ammo banned.

The end is near...

What does one have to do with the other? Not an O'barner fan but believing that he's going to try and stay for a third term is a bit

[Sybil TF]

What does one have to do with the other? Not an O'barner fan but believing that he's going to try and stay for a third term is a bit

What do they have to do with one another? LOL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sybil TF]

By the way, if you think internet speed is all this is about you are kidding yourself. FCC chairman said they want to regulate it like a utility. In other words, taxes, taxes and more taxes...

[Chorps]

What do they have to do with one another? LOL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is like blaming GWB for all the decisions the Supreme Court makes because Roberts is the Chief Justice. Some decisions the Supremes make will make the left happy, and others to the right, but I think Roberts is genuinely independent now.

Tom Wheeler is the Chairman of the FCC appointed by Obama, but really the Internet regulation by the FCC was really brought to a head by the Verizon in 2010, which tried to really push the dial the other way, and Verizon was told by AT&T, of all companies, not to rock the boat because it would lead to even more trouble. And it did, for the corporations. I think Wheeler is trying to do the right thing as well here, and it's not a higher taxes thing but a 'foxes running the henhouse is bad' kind of thing.

http://bgr.com/2014/11/25/verizon-fc...ality-lawsuit/

Some good background on what the rules entail:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2015...ime-explained/
http://arstechnica.com/business/2015...-and-title-ii/

[swexlin]

What I want to know is - can I still get porn??????? LOL!

[ViperSmith]

By the way, if you think internet speed is all this is about you are kidding yourself. FCC chairman said they want to regulate it like a utility. In other words, taxes, taxes and more taxes...

ding ding ding

[plumcrazy]

What does one have to do with the other? Not an O'barner fan but believing that he's going to try and stay for a third term is a bit

im far from a tinfoil hat wearing guy but him staying in office for a 3rd term is absolutely not going to surprise me if it happens

[Chorps]

im far from a tinfoil hat wearing guy but him staying in office for a 3rd term is absolutely not going to surprise me if it happens

I think the same thing was said about GWB at the time too...usually pounding of the drums of electoral war to rouse your respective base to get out and beat the bushes.

[Nine Ball]

Want an example of internet controlled by the government? See China and North Korea. Who wants that?

[Vprbite]

Are they going to slow down my, ummm, research sites I go to late at night?

[Sybil TF]

Are they going to slow down my, ummm, research sites I go to late at night?

Doubtful, Slick Willy may have a problem with that...Bet you will see in the future all those list of taxes you see on your utility or phone bill.

[MtnBiker]

I think the same thing was said about GWB at the time too...usually pounding of the drums of electoral war to rouse your respective base to get out and beat the bushes.

Really? Perhaps in Canada they said that about GWB! I have never heard that said!

What does it matter? In 5,000 years North America, including your beloved white Canada, will belong to the Mexicans (read The Eternal Frontier by Flannery).

[Sybil TF]

Really? Perhaps in Canada they said that about GWB! I have never heard that said!

What does it matter? In 5,000 years North America, including your beloved white Canada, will belong to the Mexicans (read The Eternal Frontier by Flannery).

It belongs to China. The Mexicans are just the renters....

[Sybil TF]

By the way, I just heard that the so called 5 million illegals are going to get 4 years of tax credits once they get their SS #'s. So they will be able to file 4 years on back taxes and write off all the childrens which equals a tax refund for 4 years.

Only in America...

[Chorps]

Want an example of internet controlled by the government? See China and North Korea. Who wants that?

The Internet was controlled by the US government already, but they gave that up last year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles...peech-internet

Net neutrality is primarily about who has the rights to the last mile traffic to your house. The providers (usually large cable corporations and phone companies) want to be the gatekeepers of the speed of the traffic to your house, depending on what the protocol is or where it originates from.

As the purchaser of their service, people generally want to use what they use, and they want to be the ones who determine how fast that a specific website service gets to them.

Basically the ISPs want to control how fast something like netflix or bittorrent comes to you, when basically a data packet is a data packet. As incumbents in specific regions you will not have any choice if they decide to do this (limited ISPs in regions), so the gatekeeper ISP is going to look at the traffic going across to you and slow down service if you (or the originator) doesn't pay extra. The flip side of this is that you can pay extra to get extra speed out of certain protocols or websites too (preferential treatment like a hybrid in an HOV lane).

These should all be non starters because the subscriber to the service (i.e., the consumer browsing the web) should be the one who decides, not the government or the ISP. Net neutrality provides the framework so a civil internet can happen. Removing that protection actually balkanizes the internet because *every* road becomes in effect, a toll road. If that happens you basically kiss small challengers to any high bandwidth popular service goodbye (removing competition because they cannot afford the preferential charges that are being charged to cross their network.

Companies like Level3 communications and other backbone providers will also be allowed to relegate netflix, FaceTime, or any other identifiable traffic to the slow lane unless the consumer or the originators cough up money. It would allow your ISP to slow down transfers from websites they don't like, and increase speeds to ones they do.

This whole fight happened because Verizon got greedy and tried to push the Internet out of a fairly decent place in jurisdiction and legality. Even other ISPs told them not to do it. Verizon won the battle but lost the war because it opened up a whole can of worms that no other corporation wanted, and now all they can claim is that government is bad to regulate the internet because government is bad by definition somehow...even though the government was regulating the whole thing before and it was running pretty well.

[Chorps]

Are they going to slow down my, ummm, research sites I go to late at night?

If they decide against network neutrality, for sure they could, because all packets going to you would be going through a deep packet inspector to try and find out where the packet came from, what it does, and most importantly, how much money they can get from you for it.

I'd bundle it together like those idiotic cable/satellite packages so you'd have to pay in order to get "priority access" to important sites like the huffingtonpost™, match.com™, CNN™ and xHamster...only an extra $2.99 per month! Add $1.99 per month for Netflix™ gold streaming today, with speedy access to Disney™ and ESPN.com™! Only an extra $0.99 per month for a 'privacy shield' to exclude your browsing history from being listed on your monthly statement.

[Sybil TF]

and now all they can claim is that government is bad to regulate the internet because government is bad by definition somehow... the whole thing before and it was running

Big government is bad period. Our president said the new health care bill would lower costs by $2,500 per year for Americans, yeah right. Mine went from $400 per year to $700.00 per year within 8 months of that bill being passed. No new sickness, don't hardly use the insurance. You wait and see, there is going to be new taxes on internet service just for starters.

[LeadfootRT10]

I've never read such stupidity on this forum.....i'm sure my IQ has dropped a few points thanks to you guys.

[Viktimize]

Big government is bad period. Our president said the new health care bill would lower costs by $2,500 per year for Americans, yeah right. Mine went from $400 per year to $700.00 per year within 8 months of that bill being passed. No new sickness, don't hardly use the insurance. You wait and see, there is going to be new taxes on internet service just for starters.

But all the sick bastards in your country who had retardedly high premiums went down probably. Don't you get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing you are helping those people by paying their premiums for them? :roll eyes: 700$ is pretty damn good though when you think about it. Up here I pay roughly 32,000$ a year for healthcare. But hey it's "Free healthcare", since I don't get an actual healthcare bill, roll my eyes once more. People are so naive in Canada.

[Coloviper]

Bottom-line is if you give government an inch, they will take a mile. I am a dual citizen US/Canada and growing up in Canada, there is not the Big Brother mentality to anywhere near the levels of the US so in a way Canadians have a little respect for Government and vice versa. That is NOT the case in the US my past 20 years here. I am not a wingman in any direction however I have seen a death spiral starting in how the US government has been behaving and with regards to people's civil liberties with mob like direction and efficiency. Nothing I can do about it so you just go on in life crack a Molson and enjoy what I can however in another century or century and a half, it is going to be really, really bad. Everything will eventually come to a head. Until then, other than this car site, I don't use any social media and we try to live life in a non-virtual world. Hell if I had the money, we would live off the grid completely. Only problem is someone would hack something we had and kill us in the virtual world to collect our life insurance money. Then we would have to go to the insurance company and fight with them to show we are alive when their virtual world shows we are dead. I can just see it in person. "But no sir, you are dead so there is no way you can be who you say you are and be standing in front of me. My computer screen says you are dead, so you are dead".

BTW no way, Barrack will hold a 3rd term. He is bullying his way to every promise he made regardless of the law of state of the country in this 2nd term. He can't hold that up for another term. 2 more years and we will be more than ready for a new puppet in the white house. What is sad is government barely works at the state level. It is completely broken at the DC level. Almost need to do what the VOA did and start a new National Government as the old one is beyond repair. Look how well the VOA is doing now.

[Sybil TF]

I've never read such stupidity on this forum.....i'm sure my IQ has dropped a few points thanks to you guys.

Say wut?

[MtnBiker]

I've never read such stupidity on this forum.....i'm sure my IQ has dropped a few points thanks to you guys.

You must have Comanche in you, as supported by your name, and that you throw a bunch of arrows/barbs and disappear into the hills. Please elaborate.