2016 ACR Gen V - Green lighted!

[BlknBlu]

Anything over 120 is a mistake. At the end of the day it's a Dodge. I think they've already learned that lesson.

and if the Ford GT is over 120 it is a mistake after all it is only a Ford with an Ecoboost motor right?

[ACRucrazy]

and if the Ford GT is over 120 it is a mistake after all it is only a Ford with an Ecoboost motor right?

But there isn't a base GT.

[Policy Limits]

Ford GT is on a different level than the Viper. Even though it's only a Ford, it's in demand, will sell out, has outrageous styling, was a great surprise. More importantly and more relevant to the conversation, it will command a price tag greater than 120 because it was tens of thousands more than that a decade ago. 150k a decade ago is 200k in today's dollars. I'm guessing it comes in at 1/4 mill, anything higher would be a mistake. Compare apples to apples will ya?

[Shooter]

I'm not sure how closely sales of the new ACR will align with even those who seek great track performance, or might be referred to as "hard core". Many of those already have Gen IV ACR's now and won't feel the need to swap for any performance improvement, some already have swapped to a TA and find that is an improvement, some who drive on the street may feel they wouldn't want to chance damage or attention on public roads, some will feel a real upgrade would be to a dedicated and non-road legal race car with full safety equipment, and probably a few others will choose the new ACR and then modify it for track only use with full safety gear, essentially making it a new ACR-X.

In my case I track quite a bit, at an advanced level, but am far from utilizing the full potential of the TA. A local comp coupe racer in an ACR makes that point abundantly clear on the track running seconds faster. Despite my TA not really being the limiting factor, I am interested in the new ACR, but not for the improved aero or styling, but for the adjustable suspension and larger brakes that it is sure to have. Those things I can add to my TA, and may end up doing so if the new ACR's styling doesn't suit both my track and street use well enough.

No where in my requirements does an auto or arbitrary hp rating come into play...but I do think active aero would offer a benefit where I suspect the TA with upgraded suspension and brakes and less drag might even be the better performer on the tracks I drive. I guess that will be determined by other changes that they might have in store for the ACR.

Looking forward to full details to be able to make a decision on which way to go.

Well spoken. I'll be interested in you thoughts once "ALL" of the different Aero Options (Including ACR) are in front of us. I personally think only a couple will actually be track oriented.

[Snakebit10]

Wow I am late in hearing this. Great news. I highly doubt a DCT or auto tranny. I just don't think Dodge is committed to really putting out a more serious approach to the ACR theme than what they did with the Gen IV. It will be the same type of aero treatment with no active aero, hopefully superlight racing seats this time instead of the heavy leathers or ballistic seats, definitely a CCB "option", some sort of super sticky rubber, adjustable suspension and some creature comfort deletes to finalize the weight savings on this G5 platform.

I do not expect anything truly wild as Ralph has stated in the past. I could see some more power added like 20hp or something like that. Thing is even if its exactly as I think it will be it will still be absolutely nasty on a track. I think it will easily approach the ballpark of the ACR-X's performance on the Ring with just its usual conventional approach to going fast. Simple and deadly. The wild ACR will probably come in the next Gen Viper. It feels good to say next gen Viper with confidence that it will happen. Nice going Dodge. The ACR should be a hit.

[TonyCool]

I'm really exited about this.

[Policy Limits]

My 15k loyalty voucher and myself are sitting, watching, waiting.

[slitherv10]

179,580 and an auto tranny. Chrysler/Fiat/Dodge and The Viper will eventually reach its certain goal. To be among the best of the best and better. I do not understand some peoples way of thinking. When some of you say, "it's only a Dodge", what exactly are you referring to? Are you saying that dodge is not worthy of European quality or technology? Or that quality is not there among the Europeans?
First off, lets take a look at price. Apples to apples as someone said above. 84,995-109,995 Viper....180+ for any European model that can even begin to compete. Even then I cant think of any unless your spending over 300K brand new.
Secondly, we are Westerners, we see and breath our brands here and thus don't appreciate their level of performance. Performance that continues to outperform the 200K+ Europeans. Why is the Ferrari a better car? Because back 40 years ago it outperformed every western world car. Yes ok. So it stuck in our minds that they were better, faster etc than us. Hey, listen, its 2015! We have come a long way. Those European cars last shorter, cost tons more for maintenance and drop in value like a cheap H++k+r. Where are they better? Where, the interiors. I think Viper at the price point is more than capable of competing. Performance, we kick their butts. Value, not even an argument. Come on people, stop holding on to the 70's and 80's and realize that our cars and in this argument, the Viper, at the price, fit and finish, performance and outright maintenance value, leaves them well behind.
Its time to put the past behind and look at reality. The Viper deserves and should be worth well more than it is. When all chips are put on the table, it is a formidable opponent to any of those way overpriced European models that still cant walk among the Vipers. Their being walked.

[serpent]

My 15k loyalty voucher and myself are sitting, watching, waiting.

Will these vouchers be available say... in 2017? I'm jealous of you guys with bad ass cars, everyone has to start somewhere and I'm slowly getting there!

And yes I do hope the ACR/Viper gets an auto, like it or not it will help sell the car and perhaps keep it a float. Its either that or the possibility of being discontinued. The only thing I do hope is they keep making the manual cars available. Porsche's only manual cars are the Cayman GT4 and the regular 911.

[Policy Limits]

It won't have a blower, paddles and won't be 180k. It's going to be the same as the base car with bigger brakes, asro, stiffer springs and a diffiferent stripe pattern. And with 1200 lbs of downforce, that's OK. If it comes in at 180 I'd definitely get a Murcielago instead. And if the Ford GT comes in over 250 and I can purchase a Huracan for less dough, I would. Where have u been? The 2013-2014 lessen that has been paid fully learned by Chrysler is that the market refuses to pay a Maserati price tag for a Dodge.

[Viktimize]

Ford GT is on a different level than the Viper. Even though it's only a Ford, it's in demand, will sell out, has outrageous styling, was a great surprise. More importantly and more relevant to the conversation, it will command a price tag greater than 120 because it was tens of thousands more than that a decade ago. 150k a decade ago is 200k in today's dollars. I'm guessing it comes in at 1/4 mill, anything higher would be a mistake. Compare apples to apples will ya?

Ford GT really isn't on a different level than the Viper as far as a straight across comparison of the 2 cars goes. It's demand was over inflated based on it's extremely low production numbers. Vipers MSRP has gone down since 2005, so there isn't any guarantee that Ford GT will have this massive inflation you're talking about. If it does it will be based purely on the hype of the last model. And that right there is Vipers issue, it's prior reputation is a poor one.

If you want to compare apples to apples that is almost impossible. What do you consider apples to apples? To me that would be comparing the cars on an unbiased playing field, and then comparing their prices based on results. In that case there is no basis for a massive price disparity between the 2 cars. But Ford was able to drum up more support for their vehicle through better marketing and having such an easily upgradable platform, and then limiting it's availability.

179,580 and an auto tranny. Chrysler/Fiat/Dodge and The Viper will eventually reach its certain goal. To be among the best of the best and better. I do not understand some peoples way of thinking. When some of you say, "it's only a Dodge", what exactly are you referring to? Are you saying that dodge is not worthy of European quality or technology? Or that quality is not there among the Europeans?
First off, lets take a look at price. Apples to apples as someone said above. 84,995-109,995 Viper....180+ for any European model that can even begin to compete. Even then I cant think of any unless your spending over 300K brand new.
Secondly, we are Westerners, we see and breath our brands here and thus don't appreciate their level of performance. Performance that continues to outperform the 200K+ Europeans. Why is the Ferrari a better car? Because back 40 years ago it outperformed every western world car. Yes ok. So it stuck in our minds that they were better, faster etc than us. Hey, listen, its 2015! We have come a long way. Those European cars last shorter, cost tons more for maintenance and drop in value like a cheap H++k+r. Where are they better? Where, the interiors. I think Viper at the price point is more than capable of competing. Performance, we kick their butts. Value, not even an argument. Come on people, stop holding on to the 70's and 80's and realize that our cars and in this argument, the Viper, at the price, fit and finish, performance and outright maintenance value, leaves them well behind.
Its time to put the past behind and look at reality. The Viper deserves and should be worth well more than it is. When all chips are put on the table, it is a formidable opponent to any of those way overpriced European models that still cant walk among the Vipers. Their being walked.

Unfortunately the majority of the general public lack an ability to see things in a logical sense like this. The Viper won't command the price point, because the car has been long ago branded as a fast heap of junk. Even though the new model is on par with it's European counterparts(minus DCT), the general public still needs to be re-educated on that fact. And until they have had it beaten into their brains for long enough that it sticks, the Viper just won't get the price it deserves.

[Policy Limits]

Apples to apples based upon price point, American manufacturing and performance is corvette. Like it or not, Viper is forever doomed to be compared to the Z06 & ZR1

[slitherv10]

Apples to apples based upon price point, American manufacturing and performance is corvette. Like it or not, Viper is forever doomed to be compared to the Z06 & ZR1

I think this is just your way of thinking. Many people who have been on the European band wagon for many years have your way of thought ingrained into their heads and will always. Lambo's, and Ferraris, have always been engrained in our heads as the exotic, meanest, greatest cars ever by our fathers and older brothers and thus we continue to do so today. Unfortunately when you look at what those cars have to offer today against the Viper, not the Vette, you can't help but stop and think that the Viper is the better overall car hands down. Please tell me where the Lambo or Ferrari will compare to the New ACR assuming and I repeat, assuming that the ACR will have DCT and over 750HP and is priced at 180K. Where? Interior? I think the Viper as of today and I am sure in 2 more years will have even more upgraded interiors and a lot more amenities than any Lambo at any price. It will also have more performance, will be as exclusive if not more and be just as if not more thrilling to drive with all that. All for less than a Huracan, Aventador and any of the Lambos or Ferrari's at 180K. All because 40 years ago they beat on the American models. All until 1992 when the Viper was born and the tables were turned for once.
As Viktimize stated above, its unfortunate that the Viper does not get its recognition over those guys, but, I can say one thing that even the Chevy guys admit and realize. The Viper is not on the same playing field as the Vette. They all admit, it is more exclusive, is apples to apples faster, proven on and off the track. Is hand made, and in 80% of the consumers eyes, more exotic and definitely more feared and has put the American muscle car back on the map. The Ford GT was a 2 year run and was marketed very well for what it was. A 500+ hp exotic looking car that, to be honest watched the taillights of the Viper Gen 4.
Say what you want to say and believe in what you want as it is your own right of course but, one....you bought a Viper, and two, you continue to kick ass on the street and on the track and most definitely get way more looks with your car than any Vette you pass by. I applaud Dodge for continuing to promote and build this car as they do, eventually our kids kids will have their minds engraved as did ours with the European models back in the day and allow the Viper to be the car it should be. One of the greatest cars in the world bar none dollar for dollar.
Don't be a follower, always be a leader and following what happened years ago is passe. The future is here and the Viper is on its way to the top. Whether you want to admit it or not, it is what it is and numbers, track results and people who get behind the wheel realize it. Period

[Policy Limits]

You're preaching to the choir in many respects. I'm the target SRT u successfully went for. By my count I'm one of three guys on here whom went from a Gallardo to a Gen V. Imo the snake is one of the most underrated super cars in the market today. That's why I'm approaching 2 years of ownership in mine. We agree on much

Additionally my points were they realize 135k price tags and 15k paintjobs were a mistake so they stopped doing it. They also realized that calling themselves SRT when they were dodge all along to try to get F car and lambo guys as cross over consumers was a mistake. So they stopped doing that too. These aren't opinions they are facts. If you think so highly of the car why don't u order one?

[ViperSmith]

I think trying to sell a stripped down "race car" at $180,000 would be a huge mistake.

How many saying it needs DCT, to run 9's in reverse, CCB, are willing to drop down cash to buy one? I am suspect of those that have those "needs" but if they'll buy.

It isn't a lambo. It isn't a FGT. But, the quality is superb and the performance is out of this world.

Priced at $120 I think it'll move. $180 it won't.

I'd love to see DCT in the Viper. But, with regulations as they are, I don't see much changing with the Gen V in the next 2 or so years.

[ViperJon]

Dodge has never increased the horsepower in mid generation of the Viper and they won't now.
(Yeah I know they added smooth tubes to bump the Gen 2 ACR up a whole ten <wink>)
There is no way on earth they have developed a new motor and tranny for the Gen V ACR.
It (motor) would have to be certified, meet emissions etc. And we would know about it. That stuff never stays quiet.
The weight, brakes and aero are where the money will be put.

[Policy Limits]

Gotta love how guys bitched about price being too high for two years. Then they listen, cut the price by 15k and now guys are calling for 180k price tags. Sometimes I think certain people just like to argue for the sake of it. It's dumb. Grow a wallet or shut your mouth. Sheesh

[Schen]

I think trying to sell a stripped down "race car" at $180,000 would be a huge mistake.

How many saying it needs DCT, to run 9's in reverse, CCB, are willing to drop down cash to buy one? I am suspect of those that have those "needs" but if they'll buy.

It isn't a lambo. It isn't a FGT. But, the quality is superb and the performance is out of this world.

Priced at $120 I think it'll move. $180 it won't.

I'd love to see DCT in the Viper. But, with regulations as they are, I don't see much changing with the Gen V in the next 2 or so years.

Dodge has never increased the horsepower in mid generation of the Viper and they won't now.
(Yeah I know they added smooth tubes to bump the Gen 2 ACR up a whole ten <wink>)
There is no way on earth they have developed a new motor and tranny for the Gen V ACR.
It (motor) would have to be certified, meet emissions etc. And we would know about it. That stuff never stays quiet.
The weight, brakes and aero are where the money will be put.

And with these two posts, this thread is now over.

--RS

[slitherv10]

You're preaching to the choir in many respects. I'm the target SRT u successfully went for. By my count I'm one of three guys on here whom went from a Gallardo to a Gen V. Imo the snake is one of the most underrated super cars in the market today. That's why I'm approaching 2 years of ownership in mine. We agree on much

Additionally my points were they realize 135k price tags and 15k paintjobs were a mistake so they stopped doing it. They also realized that calling themselves SRT when they were dodge all along to try to get F car and lambo guys as cross over consumers was a mistake. So they stopped doing that too. These aren't opinions they are facts. If you think so highly of the car why don't u order one?

I also think highly of the Bugatti and the Aventador, but, that doesn't mean I should go out and buy one...lol...you sure have a narrow minded approach to your comments. You think because you owned a poor mans Lambo and now have an SRT and a few small goodies for daily drivers it allows you to push yourself around like your Ron Pratt...lmao. Get a grip pal. I own a daily driver worth more than your sports car. Its not about what you can afford. Its obvious my point in my last post was proven with your comment here and some other threads you have responded in the past this same way. Like your a somebody because of what you own and everyone else on here is not. Whether I can afford or not afford a Gen 5 is none of yours or anyone else's business here and I certainly do not go around pointing that out as you have done many times in your past posts. Leave the ego aside and return your opinion with respect and not puff out your shoulders like your a big man with big toys and no one else here is worthy.
You talk a big talk on the Aventador and the Huracan. Why don't you go out and buy one then as you assumed I should with the Gen V?

[Policy Limits]

I never stated nor implied that I'm somebody and everyone else on here is not. The fact is i was one of tge first few hundred people in the world to order a gen V with cash down sight unseen. Owners like me put our money where our mouths are. Whereas youre just all mouth. Ive owned Bentley, Lamborghini, Maserati and have spent seven figures on toys. And I will compare tax returns with you whenever you're ready. Your personal attack is violative of forum rules. Mods I think it's time to take out the trash. ...

[whitebeard]

Really? Do we have to get into personal B**chslapping on such an occasion? Guys, I am trying to get some work done for the NCAA, can you cut me some slack please?

[slitherv10]

I never stated nor implied that I'm somebody and everyone else on here is not. The fact is i was one of tge first few hundred people in the world to order a gen V with cash down sight unseen. Owners like me put our money where our mouths are. Whereas youre just all mouth. Ive owned Bentley, Lamborghini, Maserati and have spent seven figures on toys. And I will compare tax returns with you whenever you're ready. Your personal attack is violative of forum rules. Mods I think it's time to take out the trash. ...

My point proven. Tax returns...lol...and you state all the toys you had...again..proven point. If you would be so kind as to publish your tax returns so we all can see them as you do everything else you've owned and own and continue to publish your worthiness that you feel makes you the man you are. Oh and by the way, is that all you have owned? Small my friend. I for one would not be ranting on the way you have with so little. You are but a 5 lb weight on a full stack of weights. Flexing your muscles with what you have and your Tax returns?...lol..gotta laugh on that one. Have not heard that one yet. You must be as old as the weight you carry.

The moderators would have and have seen your way of thought on many posts in the past. Personally attacking my worthiness when you know nothing of who I am and what I have and what I could have is not something you or anyone else can and should put forth in response as you have in your post earlier. I think the trash is but well within your reach, take it out yourself big man.

Oh ..did you pay your membership or are you waiting for your tax returns to come in.

[Policy Limits]

Did you not just see that moderator's post? Take your 20 year old Dodges and your attitude out of the Gen V forum. This section is for the big men.

[whitebeard]

Folks you are starting to annoy me. You wouldn't like me when I'm annoyed.

[slitherv10]

Did you not just see that moderator's post? Take your 20 year old Dodges and your attitude out of the Gen V forum. This section is for the big men.

lol...now all of us here with 20 year old Vipers are not worthy. Because you drive a Maserati and an Infiniti...lol. I had those cars as well but when I graduated college I sold them. Your a funny little man. I like you. But, next time you do a personal attack be a big boy and pick up your kiddy pants and take out the trash as you said out yourself. Don't whine like a little school girl.