2016 ACR Gen V - Green lighted!

[ViperJon]

Deleted, won't engage with the forums biggest poser.
Apologies.

[BlknBlu]

Lets try to stay on topic over the exciting news of a potential GEN V ACR and not find ways to derail the potential for another great Viper product. Everyone has a reason for choosing a car, whether it is a garage queen, weekend cruiser to all out track weapon.

Bruce

[serpent]

Look's like trade in time for me if this happens. Still keeping my gen 4 ACR though..

Good man.

V10LEE, your car reminds me of this guy:

Kratos aka God of War aka Bad Ass just like your ACR!


For me ring times is just icing on the cake, to compete at the highest level this car will need to kick ass and take names again. C'mon fellas, this is a Viper here one of two American Supercars. (other being a Ford GT)

[ViperJon]

All I'm saying is from the very start (when I referenced a 991 GT3) is that they need a faster transmission. This is the ACR in case y'all forgot. The only streetable track car with over 1000lbs of downforce, fully adjustable suspension, 600hp, 3400lbs around the price of 100k, that was in 2008. For 2016+ they will need to bring something new that no car has out right now, DRS! And go off of what we've learned from the current fastest lapping cars, DCT gear box, sleaker aerodynamics, carbon brakes, etc. I am by no means a fan of an auto or expensive carbon brakes, but to compete at the highest level, this car will need it.

Surprised I'm the only one thinking the car needs some major changes/additions!

There is no way they would put that money and R&D in an ACR model that "might" sell 50 cars. Halo car or not.
I just can't see it.

[Voice of Reason]

There is no way they would put that money and R&D in an ACR model that "might" sell 50 cars. Halo car or not.
I just can't see it.

DCT could be used long term in other cars. If first used in the ACR it could then make its way to every Viper. Thinking even bigger the same DCT could be used on the Hellcat cousins because if it fits in our transmission tunnel apparently it will fit anywhere. A good transmission is exactly something that the R&D costs can be shared with other models unlike our V10.

[Crotalidae]

DCT could be used long term in other cars. If first used in the ACR it could then make its way to every Viper. Thinking even bigger the same DCT could be used on the Hellcat cousins because if it fits on our transmission tunnel apparently it will fit anywhere. A good transmission is exactly something that the R&D costs can be shared with other models unlike our V10.

Very good point...I guess we shall see...

[Zybane]

No auto in the Viper. It's one of the things that make it unique after so many have caved in.

[BlknBlu]

GTS-R has an auto but not the same HP as the street car.

Bruce

[XSnake]

GTS-R has an auto but not the same HP as the street car.

Bruce

The GTS-R has a $60k Xtrac sequential. Let's keep things realistic here.

[TitleMine]

I'd much rather Dodge build an ACR that can take every record at every track in the US - so people that actually buy them have something to "shoot for" instead of some magic number they'll never run against.

>Implying that even a small percentage of ACR owners would be able to meaningfully "shoot for" a factory driver's time. That's like saying you want David Beckham to go to your barber so you can have a shot at looking as good as he does.

This thing is glorious, and it's coming in at a time when people are waking up to the fact that GM has made a substantial misstep with the new generation of Corvettes. The Viper is going from strength to strength. If you don't want one of these in your driveway, check your pulse.

[ViperDC]

There is no way they would put that money and R&D in an ACR model that "might" sell 50 cars. Halo car or not.
I just can't see it.

50 cars? Lol, what? Maybe per month. They are going to sell hundreds of these. They sold almost 500 ACRs last gen and that was in the thick of the recession.

Now, that doesnt mean I think it will have a DCT. Highly doubt that. CCBs? Likely in my opinion.

[ViperJon]

50 cars? Lol, what? Maybe per month. They are going to sell hundreds of these. .

And it took more than a year to sell what, 150 TA's? A far more comfortable car than the hardcore ACR is supposed to be.
And probably much cheaper than a '16 ACR. Hundreds? Not a chance.
If EVERY TA owner ran out to sell their car and buy one that's 150 cars. Not likely.

[ViperSmith]

>Implying that even a small percentage of ACR owners would be able to meaningfully "shoot for" a factory driver's time. That's like saying you want David Beckham to go to your barber so you can have a shot at looking as good as he does.

This thing is glorious, and it's coming in at a time when people are waking up to the fact that GM has made a substantial misstep with the new generation of Corvettes. The Viper is going from strength to strength. If you don't want one of these in your driveway, check your pulse.

My point is US lap times are more relevant to Viper owners because they can run on those tracks. No one is going to put down the same time as Randy Pobst at Laguna Seca, but it is a metric to shoot for, knowing what it can do.

How many Gen IV ACR owners have shipped their Vipers to Germany to lap the ring?

The Ring has become a silly marketing metric with companies building cars just to run a fast lap there.

If people care about the ring time that's their own prerogative. To me, it just makes no sense - especially now that production cars like the 918 and P1 are so far ahead. Now you have to say "fastest production lap time under $x price!"

[FLATOUT]

And it took more than a year to sell what, 150 TA's? A far more comfortable car than the hardcore ACR is supposed to be.
And probably much cheaper than a '16 ACR. Hundreds? Not a chance.
If EVERY TA owner ran out to sell their car and buy one that's 150 cars. Not likely.

After owning my Gen IV (Which I loved) I realized very quickly that unless I was on track many of the track addition options on the ACR where mostly unusable on the street. The TA is the perfect model for what I like to do, a little of everything

[ViperJon]

After owning my Gen IV (Which I loved) I realized very quickly that unless I was on track many of the track addition options on the ACR where mostly unusable on the street. The TA is the perfect model for what I like to do, a little of everything

Exactly, which is why I don't see huge sales for an ACR if its as hardcore as they're talking about.
But who knows, maybe it will be optionable with at least base amenities like a radio lol.

[FLATOUT]

Exactly, which is why I don't see huge sales for an ACR if its as hardcore as they're talking about.
But who knows, maybe it will be optionable with at least base amenities like a radio lol.

I think posers will still by them for car shows, like many of the Gen IV ACR's, but the ACR's as you know have never been and never will be a volume play lol. Track guys will buy them as well.

[ViperDC]

And it took more than a year to sell what, 150 TA's? A far more comfortable car than the hardcore ACR is supposed to be.
And probably much cheaper than a '16 ACR. Hundreds? Not a chance.
If EVERY TA owner ran out to sell their car and buy one that's 150 cars. Not likely.

TAs sold out pretty easily. Sure there might be a few new ones left but not many. 50 cars is way low for a ACR. Seems like lots have been waiting for this particular model to come out. Has nothing to do with current TA owners, though its likely some switch.

[ViperDC]

Also until we hear something official from Dodge I would bet it comes with a radio and AC standard with a hardcore version able to be optioned that doesnt have either. Wasnt that how it was last time?

While I think they will make the ACR, I highly doubt it goes into production in July like this rumor suggests. It will be later in '15, IMO

[BlknBlu]

Harcdore was radio and speaker delete with a radio panel and carbon fiber speaker covers, Carbon fiber battery cover, no trunk carpet, and no hood pad. and added a track timer. AC was not a removal option.

Bruce

[ViperDC]

Harcdore was radio and speaker delete with a radio panel and carbon fiber speaker covers, Carbon fiber battery cover, no trunk carpet, and no hood pad. and added a track timer. AC was not a removal option.

Bruce

Gotcha. Couldnt remember for sure.

[slitherv10]

Listen to wise O'l Slither here. The New ACR will have an auto tranny and cost in and around 180K. That being said, they will not sell many. In fact I would say they will be numbered an maybe 50 of them. They will not produce as many as needed as the Gen V car is already more than enough for any Joe Shmo track/ street guy to handle and enjoy. The ACR will cater to the all out track guys/gals and the customer who has it all and can.

[Chorps]

That is only speculation, those times are run with pro drivers, they definitely did more than one or two laps. They were not like GM, Nissan or Toyota who has the funds to do hundreds of laps. The latter having major accidents too, GM totaled a C7z and Toyota driver crashed and died in an LFA. 7:12.03 and 7:03.058 are fast as hell, we will never know if the cars were truly wrung out driven 11/10 by Kumo Witmer or one of the Viper race car drivers.

All I'm saying is from the very start (when I referenced a 991 GT3) is that they need a faster transmission. This is the ACR in case y'all forgot. The only streetable track car with over 1000lbs of downforce, fully adjustable suspension, 600hp, 3400lbs around the price of 100k, that was in 2008. For 2016+ they will need to bring something new that no car has out right now, DRS! And go off of what we've learned from the current fastest lapping cars, DCT gear box, sleaker aerodynamics, carbon brakes, etc. I am by no means a fan of an auto or expensive carbon brakes, but to compete at the highest level, this car will need it.

Surprised I'm the only one thinking the car needs some major changes/additions!

I never said they did only one or two laps with the pro drivers. I don't think any driver doing the ring thinks they've got a perfect lap, but I believe that the cars are capable of better lap time than what we're seeing currently. Obviously the more time that you have testing at the ring the better chance you will have at turning in a hot lap. Chrysler/Fiat has never had a permanent presence at the ring which does make the Viper lap times more impressive, also since they weren't full factory efforts either.

A faster transmission is something the Viper ACR will not get unless the entire Viper lineup gets it. There just isn't sufficient volume to justify a brand new transmission for such a small run of cars. The sunk costs on the DCT transmission alone would probably double the price of the ACR if it wasn't spread out over the entire Viper program. The rest of the ACR upgrades are way cheaper to develop.

[Bruce H.]

I'm not sure how closely sales of the new ACR will align with even those who seek great track performance, or might be referred to as "hard core". Many of those already have Gen IV ACR's now and won't feel the need to swap for any performance improvement, some already have swapped to a TA and find that is an improvement, some who drive on the street may feel they wouldn't want to chance damage or attention on public roads, some will feel a real upgrade would be to a dedicated and non-road legal race car with full safety equipment, and probably a few others will choose the new ACR and then modify it for track only use with full safety gear, essentially making it a new ACR-X.

In my case I track quite a bit, at an advanced level, but am far from utilizing the full potential of the TA. A local comp coupe racer in an ACR makes that point abundantly clear on the track running seconds faster. Despite my TA not really being the limiting factor, I am interested in the new ACR, but not for the improved aero or styling, but for the adjustable suspension and larger brakes that it is sure to have. Those things I can add to my TA, and may end up doing so if the new ACR's styling doesn't suit both my track and street use well enough.

No where in my requirements does an auto or arbitrary hp rating come into play...but I do think active aero would offer a benefit where I suspect the TA with upgraded suspension and brakes and less drag might even be the better performer on the tracks I drive. I guess that will be determined by other changes that they might have in store for the ACR.

Looking forward to full details to be able to make a decision on which way to go.

[yellowmz3]

Slither, I disagree. Thinking closer to 150

[Policy Limits]

Anything over 120 is a mistake. At the end of the day it's a Dodge. I think they've already learned that lesson.