2016 ACR Gen V - Green lighted!

[ViperDC]

I usually keep my radio off in my GTS. And I've never turned on the AC. So no difference there. But I bet GTS seats are a lot more comfy than ACR. Definitely interested. But any price tag over 120 k would be a huge fail.

120 wouldn't be bad. But anything over 130 would be too much IMO.

[serpent]

Naw. Guys like Randy Pobst still like the manual better. Lighter too. The GEN V ACR in manual could actually break the 7 min mark unlike the fake Z06 article. 8 seconds for the GEN V to gain over the GEN IV.

The Gen V ACR will also have to be 12.3 seconds faster than the Gen IV ACR to break 7 minutes.
For reference an ACR X [lighter (3200lbs), more power (640hp/645tq), running on michelin SLICKS (better than trofeo Rs)], ran a 7:03.058: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/22/s...g-in-7-03-058/
That is not a street legal car, nor does it have streetable tires. The Trofeo R's are the closest to a slick you can get and still be streetable but they will not have the same grip as a slick.

This is why the car will need a faster transmission, holy hell how hard is that to figure out?

[v10enomous]

Realistically it's hard to imagine how much more they can squeeze out of a steel frame car that sports a conventional front engine and transmission vs a transaxle and a car that still has a relatively short wheelbase and large overhangs.

[donk_316]

Will the stripped down interior of the ACR allow people bigger than an average Oompa Loompa fit?

Such an awesome car with such a cramped cockpit.

[Martin]

Will the stripped down interior of the ACR allow people bigger than an average Oompa Loompa fit?

Such an awesome car with such a cramped cockpit.

It's actually somewhat of an advantage - when you crash, you're so tightly wrapped in that you don't get bruised so bad from bouncing around all over the place

[Photog1]

I still wouldn't be surprised to see a vert released...perhaps alongside the ACR for maximum impact.

This would be great. There are a lot of people wanting the vert too!

[ViperGeorge]

I just ordered the TA 2.0 even though I was pretty certain an ACR was coming soon. Certainly if it does not have air and a decent radio I'm not interested. I love the track stuff but I also like driving to the track in comfort. If it turns out to have those options and is more kick asp than a TA 2.0 (which I'm sure it will be) I'll trade up for it. At least this way I'll have the 2.0 in the Spring and Summer for some track fun. Plus, assuming it arrives in time, I'll use the TA 2.0 on One Lap this year.

[mjorgensen]

I just ordered the TA 2.0 even though I was pretty certain an ACR was coming soon. Certainly if it does not have air and a decent radio I'm not interested. I love the track stuff but I also like driving to the track in comfort. If it turns out to have those options and is more kick asp than a TA 2.0 (which I'm sure it will be) I'll trade up for it. At least this way I'll have the 2.0 in the Spring and Summer for some track fun. Plus, assuming it arrives in time, I'll use the TA 2.0 on One Lap this year.

Can't wait to get it in and get started.

[ACRucrazy]

I cant wait to see how these PCMs help out you gen V guys, pretty exciting!

[serpent]

Realistically it's hard to imagine how much more they can squeeze out of a steel frame car that sports a conventional front engine and transmission vs a transaxle and a car that still has a relatively short wheelbase and large overhangs.

Thats what im trying to say, they have the formula but need to do more.
more power, lighter weight, dual clutch tranny (option not mandatory) maybe even a sequential gear box like LG motorsports did with a c6z.
when you look at the track times a 918 just barely made it under 7 min, 6:57 (insane for a street car). That is an 887, awd, pdk transmission car. for a gen V ACR to go under 7 min a better gearbox would be a good start

[rw99]

The Gen V ACR will also have to be 12.3 seconds faster than the Gen IV ACR to break 7 minutes.
For reference an ACR X [lighter (3200lbs), more power (640hp/645tq), running on michelin SLICKS (better than trofeo Rs)], ran a 7:03.058: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/22/s...g-in-7-03-058/
That is not a street legal car, nor does it have streetable tires. The Trofeo R's are the closest to a slick you can get and still be streetable but they will not have the same grip as a slick.

This is why the car will need a faster transmission, holy hell how hard is that to figure out?

...which is why you just build the car, and you don't take it to the 'Ring. How many buyers will require an ACR-X-like time to open their wallet?

To me, it's about updating the ACR, catering to those of us that track the car... and it's less about trying to compete with 900 HP AWD exoticar 'Ring times. Realistically: be faster than the Z06, the Nismo, etc.

[Policy Limits]

We had a great time building Sly's car, he had me even swap interior so it all matched mine even the CF dash and more! definitely my biggest celebrity encounter.

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That's really cool. I'm pretty sure Bill P said my delivery guy (Mike) was the same guy whom delivered Sly's car. Cool stuff.

[Trainerdave]

Yeah, because 700hp convertible track cars make a lot of sense....

Tell that to chevy with their convertible Z06...when the coupe is already a cheap looking, underperforming failure

[Policy Limits]

Heyyy it has plastic, er, I mean, "carbon flash" lol

[Chorps]

The Gen V ACR will also have to be 12.3 seconds faster than the Gen IV ACR to break 7 minutes.
For reference an ACR X [lighter (3200lbs), more power (640hp/645tq), running on michelin SLICKS (better than trofeo Rs)], ran a 7:03.058: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/22/s...g-in-7-03-058/
That is not a street legal car, nor does it have streetable tires. The Trofeo R's are the closest to a slick you can get and still be streetable but they will not have the same grip as a slick.

This is why the car will need a faster transmission, holy hell how hard is that to figure out?

Pretty sure both the Gen IV ACR and ACR-X had more in them than the laps officially recorded at the ring. I think it is possible to do a lap with fewer mistakes and get very close to 7 minutes on a Gen V ACR.

[Martin]

...which is why you just build the car, and you don't take it to the 'Ring. How many buyers will require an ACR-X-like time to open their wallet?

To me, it's about updating the ACR, catering to those of us that track the car... and it's less about trying to compete with 900 HP AWD exoticar 'Ring times. Realistically: be faster than the Z06, the Nismo, etc.

Agree 100%.

While I loved my Gen IV ACR, the Gen V ACR could be soooo much better by really differentiating itself from the base car. Get rid of all the fluff, make it something that is as close to "track perfect" as possible, and leave the "public road" priorities behind. That would make a lot of marketing sense, too. The TA 2.0 can be like the Gen IV ACR, and the ACR can be a street legal ACR-X. That will keep both camps happy and won't hurt the TA 2.0 sales at all. Might even help them when the magazines go crazy over the ACR's track performance. People who want some of the creature comforts can get them with the TA 2.0, and more people will be aware of the entire model lineup due to the ACR's halo status.

[ViperDC]

I just ordered the TA 2.0 even though I was pretty certain an ACR was coming soon. Certainly if it does not have air and a decent radio I'm not interested. I love the track stuff but I also like driving to the track in comfort. If it turns out to have those options and is more kick asp than a TA 2.0 (which I'm sure it will be) I'll trade up for it. At least this way I'll have the 2.0 in the Spring and Summer for some track fun. Plus, assuming it arrives in time, I'll use the TA 2.0 on One Lap this year.

I like the way you think. If you do the One Lap be sure to post lots of pics/updates!!

[ViperSmith]

...which is why you just build the car, and you don't take it to the 'Ring. How many buyers will require an ACR-X-like time to open their wallet?

To me, it's about updating the ACR, catering to those of us that track the car... and it's less about trying to compete with 900 HP AWD exoticar 'Ring times. Realistically: be faster than the Z06, the Nismo, etc.

I hate the obsession with 'Ring times.

I'd much rather Dodge build an ACR that can take every record at every track in the US - so people that actually buy them have something to "shoot for" instead of some magic number they'll never run against.

[slowhatch]

The TA 2 is being marketed as a track car obviously, with the wing, canards and the other minor updates.
If this ACR is confirmed by Dodge as true, who would order a TA 2 (for the track) with an ACR looming the very next year.
I'll never understand the marketing. It's like ordering a Gen IV with aero when you can have an ACR.

Yet still people bought gen 4s with aero right? ACR may lose some creature comforts that may still be available on the TA 2--and that may be the deal breaker for some.

[ViperJon]

I hate the obsession with 'Ring times.

That's because you have zero clue regarding what it meant to the Viper nation when it happened or its historical significance at that time.
It was the biggest thing, ever. The VCA boards were lit up with minute to minute updates as word came in the ACR set the record at the "Ring.
You had to have been there to experience it when word filtered down that the record was shattered. It was HUGE.

[ViperSmith]

That's because you have zero clue regarding what it meant to the Viper nation when it happened or its historical significance at that time.
It was the biggest thing, ever. The VCA boards were lit up with minute to minute updates as word came in the ACR set the record at the "Ring.
You had to have been there to experience it when word filtered down that the record was shattered. It was HUGE.

I literally could not care less about the Ring time. You seem to lack the ability to grasp some people just don't care.

But, glad to see you'll endlessly be a condescending ass no matter what the venue.

[V10LEE]

Look's like trade in time for me if this happens. Still keeping my gen 4 ACR though..

[serpent]

Pretty sure both the Gen IV ACR and ACR-X had more in them than the laps officially recorded at the ring. I think it is possible to do a lap with fewer mistakes and get very close to 7 minutes on a Gen V ACR.

That is only speculation, those times are run with pro drivers, they definitely did more than one or two laps. They were not like GM, Nissan or Toyota who has the funds to do hundreds of laps. The latter having major accidents too, GM totaled a C7z and Toyota driver crashed and died in an LFA. 7:12.03 and 7:03.058 are fast as hell, we will never know if the cars were truly wrung out driven 11/10 by Kumo Witmer or one of the Viper race car drivers.

All I'm saying is from the very start (when I referenced a 991 GT3) is that they need a faster transmission. This is the ACR in case y'all forgot. The only streetable track car with over 1000lbs of downforce, fully adjustable suspension, 600hp, 3400lbs around the price of 100k, that was in 2008. For 2016+ they will need to bring something new that no car has out right now, DRS! And go off of what we've learned from the current fastest lapping cars, DCT gear box, sleaker aerodynamics, carbon brakes, etc. I am by no means a fan of an auto or expensive carbon brakes, but to compete at the highest level, this car will need it.

Surprised I'm the only one thinking the car needs some major changes/additions!

[BlknBlu]

if the incoming car performs better than the previous model, it is a hit.

Bruce

[ACRucrazy]

Look's like trade in time for me if this happens. Still keeping my gen 4 ACR though..

Good man.