2016 ACR Gen V - Green lighted!

[ViperTony]

Why don't both of you shove your tax returns up your asses and leave this thread so we can get back to the discussion of the GenV ACR?

[Policy Limits]

Welp I'm gonna be the first guy to order the ACR so at least I have standing to stay on the thread.

It's gonna be 120k - 15k voucher equals 105k. May or may not trade in my Adrenaline car.

[ACRucrazy]

So much certainty from some people in this thread.

[Viper Girl]

Personal attacks need to stop now. Period...


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[Policy Limits]

Thanking you, I am.

[viper_eddie]

Why don't both of you shove your tax returns up your asses and leave this thread so we can get back to the discussion of the GenV ACR?

This thread should have been called have you gotten your 2014 tax returns yet. Took a pretty funny, yet, sad turn. Everyone have patience and the details will come out; it's funny to see how many people here work for Dodge and already know the details, or so claim.

[Policy Limits]

All speculation. But they say history repeats itself. So ask yourself did the last gen ACR have a different motor, transmission than the regular model? Was it double the price of the regular model? (180 is double the start of around 90k) We all know the answers to those questions is not in the affirmative. So assuming continuity. ....

Time will tell obviously. And while owners buy it as their second or third gen V, there will still be those other folks just blabbing like they've been since 2012.

[J TNT]

Glad to see we are back on topic....lol ! I see the Viper platform being an evolution and Not A Revolution . The Platform has proven to still be relevant . DCT is nice , but the 6 speed is very robust and holds up well to High Horsepower . Not to mention having the Driver fully engaged . I'm Glad to see that 20 years later , Viper has potential moving forward .

[mnc2886]

Don't see SRT increasing horsepower for several reasons;

1) They never have mid-generation ever
2) They are not underpowered compared to anything it competes against (only 5 HP less than a Z06 and Vipers seem to be handling them as is)
3) If the car got lighter and then matched the Gen IV ACR's downforce with even better breaking and handling, then there really isn't a need to from SRT prospective I would assume.

Really excited to see this car come to fruition if this is all true!! I loved the concept. The Viper has had a roll here over the last few months of good news so here's to it continuing.

[Viper Specialty]

Don't see SRT increasing horsepower for several reasons;

1) They never have mid-generation ever
2) They are not underpowered compared to anything it competes against (only 5 HP less than a Z06 and Vipers seem to be handling them as is)
3) If the car got lighter and then matched the Gen IV ACR's downforce with even better breaking and handling, then there really isn't a need to from SRT prospective I would assume.

Really excited to see this car come to fruition if this is all true!! I loved the concept. The Viper has had a roll here over the last few months of good news so here's to it continuing.

I beg to differ. The change from Gen-3 to Gen-4 could potentially be VERY much like the Gen-5 to Gen-6 changeover. The run was 4 years, then a drivetrain revision. The car and platform was basically the same. History has shown that the "mid model refresh" [which we do consider a generational change when it technically isn't] tends to be drivetrain, where the major model changes occur in between. Gen-2 for example was a MAJOR refresh, but it was still based on the same car. MY 2017-ish could effectively be the same thing. However, the Gen-4 drivetrain change was a HUGE revision. The addition of a blower or something similar on top of an already existing platform would be a far simpler edit.

[sparkrn]

Just jumped a few pages across the thread to find myself in a over heated debate. WOW! Just, want to say that I do hope the new acr is an absolute beast and that they build it. Also hope they continue to build the TA, as that is a more suitable viper for me for just cruising around w all my viper friends. PS. Can it stop snowing already?

[BlknBlu]

How in the heck does such good news for the Viper with the possible return ofthe ACR get derailed to this.

Bruce

[Viper Girl]

All parties have been contacted by PM.

Lets get this thread back on topic. Thanks

[Blue T/A 2.0]

I hope the ACR makes it back, even though I will not be in the market for one, since I have a 2.0 on order. Having had a 2010 ACR, if I was on the design team, I would make it a balls to the wall, take no prisoners monster. Comfort and conveniences should not even be considered. I would start with an ACR-X mindset and just add enough to make it street legal, if it has to be street legal. Does it really need to be street legal, especially since there is a 2.0? I would not have power mirrors, locks, windows, a/c, stereo, power seats, glove box, carpet, insulation, console, hood hinges, or anything else that was not needed for a purpose built race car. Go light weight everywhere possible and use a max target weight of 2999 lbs. Then go for the handling improvements. Not sure I would look at any power increase, maybe some tweaking, but I would use my budget for weight savings and handling. This may not set well with some, but this is how I would do it.

[VENOM V]

I hope the ACR makes it back, even though I will not be in the market for one, since I have a 2.0 on order. Having had a 2010 ACR, if I was on the design team, I would make it a balls to the wall, take no prisoners monster. Comfort and conveniences should not even be considered. I would start with an ACR-X mindset and just add enough to make it street legal, if it has to be street legal. Does it really need to be street legal, especially since there is a 2.0? I would not have power mirrors, locks, windows, a/c, stereo, power seats, glove box, carpet, insulation, console, hood hinges, or anything else that was not needed for a purpose built race car. Go light weight everywhere possible and use a max target weight of 2999 lbs. Then go for the handling improvements. Not sure I would look at any power increase, maybe some tweaking, but I would use my budget for weight savings and handling. This may not set well with some, but this is how I would do it.

^^^This. That's the winning recipe, and gives it differentiation with the TA 2.0, so they both have a legitimate place in the line-up. Just keep AC as an option, but the rest of the fluff must go in the interest of saving weight. Also, make the CCBs an option and have 6-piston front calipers standard. This will give us track rats a lower cost option.

[Martin]

^^^This. That's the winning recipe, and gives it differentiation with the TA 2.0, so they both have a legitimate place in the line-up. Just keep AC as an option, but the rest of the fluff must go in the interest of saving weight. Also, make the CCBs an option and have 6-piston front calipers standard. This will give us track rats a lower cost option.

Tend to agree - but I need hood hinges. I'm willing to deal with the 10 lbs of weight in order to not have to call my neighbor to come over and accidentally help me to drop the carbon fiber hood on the car when I'm working on it....

[VENOM V]

Tend to agree - but I need hood hinges. I'm willing to deal with the 10 lbs of weight in order to not have to call my neighbor to come over and accidentally help me to drop the carbon fiber hood on the car when I'm working on it....

Haha, I agree with you on this one. That hood is coming up often enough, I'd live with the 10 Lb hinges too.

[IndyRon]

I hope the ACR makes it back, even though I will not be in the market for one, since I have a 2.0 on order. Having had a 2010 ACR, if I was on the design team, I would make it a balls to the wall, take no prisoners monster. Comfort and conveniences should not even be considered. I would start with an ACR-X mindset and just add enough to make it street legal, if it has to be street legal. Does it really need to be street legal, especially since there is a 2.0? I would not have power mirrors, locks, windows, a/c, stereo, power seats, glove box, carpet, insulation, console, hood hinges, or anything else that was not needed for a purpose built race car. Go light weight everywhere possible and use a max target weight of 2999 lbs. Then go for the handling improvements. Not sure I would look at any power increase, maybe some tweaking, but I would use my budget for weight savings and handling. This may not set well with some, but this is how I would do it.

I like your thought process except the idea of it being non-street legal. The car becomes irrelevant to the masses if you can't buy it and drive it on public roads. I realize that most ACR guys are into tracking their cars (heck I'm an owner myself) but what also makes the car cool is that you can have something that is a track terror and still cruise it around town when the urge strikes you.

[viper_eddie]

The 2016 911 S (around 100k) is rumored to have 500-530 horsepower thanks to the addition of 2 turbos. How long before the GT3 is turbo'ed? Once that's done, you guys think it will be anything south of 600 horsepower? I believe it will most likely be around 650 hp to compete with the new Ferrari 488.

So basically if Dodge does release an ACR with no additional power, then they better be working on a next Gen with more power if they want to be the fastest on the tracks. That's just the way the industry and market are moving...no other way around it.

[mjorgensen]

I would like to retract my original skepticism, I think it is pretty clear that with the exact same color, theme etc. that they used for the G4 ACR I would be foolish to think that they were just teasing...

[ViperDC]

I like your thought process except the idea of it being non-street legal. The car becomes irrelevant to the masses if you can't buy it and drive it on public roads. I realize that most ACR guys are into tracking their cars (heck I'm an owner myself) but what also makes the car cool is that you can have something that is a track terror and still cruise it around town when the urge strikes you.

Completely agree and Dodge would never make it track only. Maybe a track only version down the line like the ACRX or something

[TIME]

Having seen the Gen V Mule personally, I am quite confident it is coming.

Mule??

[Zybane]

Making the new ACR non-street legal would be a very bad move. Not too many people can exclusively trailer in a car, not to mention all track records it makes would not be valid against production cars.

[mnc2886]

I would like to retract my original skepticism, I think it is pretty clear that with the exact same color, theme etc. that they used for the G4 ACR I would be foolish to think that they were just teasing...

Now that you're on board I'm even more excited!!!

What's your bet? NYIAS reveal?

[Canadian venom]

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. The Gen V ACR Mule.

You were clear, but where did you see that and do you have pics? if so , I guess it's a first...