Matte black stripes over black look insane on this thing!

[BlknBlu]

Ok Bruce, you have to explain the wheelie bars......what would it take to get a short box SRT Ram on it's rear wheels? I'm thinking over 1k rwhp.

There were a bolt on and off item for car shows. Motor was bone stock. they did not serve a purpose. Not one of my brighter moments in mods.

Bruce

[Fatboy 18]

Personally I think those wheelie bars look great

[triblk6spd]

Thanks Plum. I appreciate that. I put a fair amount of thought into these hoping for a final product people like to look at.
Black on black is always fun. These two came out nice too oven though I didn't keep then very long. Both black w matte graphics / wrap .

[Ripper]

Need more pics of the P car... Love it!

[bluesrt]

ta viper.jpg say what????

[TrackAire]

You don't have to be in the vinyl business to apply vinyl. But there is a learning curve so most people just have a shop do it. I've done quite a few panels on my vehicles, it just requires patience. Anyone can buy 3m Vinyl. People with vinyl businesses will of course say its impossible to do it yourself, to save their earnings. Same thing that happened with Plasti-dip, took a nice chunk out of the vinyl business. Although in my opinion of course vinyl is a superior product. All of your warranty questions can be found here:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/6...f?&fn=1080.pdf


As for vinyl racing stripes, yes of course by more "efficient" it's quicker and far cheaper than painted racing stripes. But the contrast of vinyl racing stripes on the factory paint also creates a unique look. My largest concern with putting racing stripes on my vehicle is it's more or less a permanent decision. That is based on the subtle change in the clear coat etc that will occur with the covered versus uncovered surface over the years. You could simply just re-apply more racing stripes if the vinyl has degraded.

Interestingly, the unnamed shop that has been discussed in this thread is not a 3M certified installer according to 3M's web site.

My big concern and question from before was can seam sealer cause issues upon removal of the vinyl or cause paint damage. You've not answered that but sent me a link that is helpful. It also help me find this link:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/7...n-bulletin.pdf

Apparently the 3950 seam adhesive has purpose in extreme vinyl applications such as when applying "specific vinyls" to aircraft or watercraft. I'm not sure if the vinyls that are being used as stripes in automotive applications fall under that heading. 3950 seam sealer is required for "some" 3M vinyls to be covered under warranty. I had no idea that there were so any different type of vinyls available for different applications, etc. Very educational link.

Per the above 3M 3950 bulletin:

"The solvent in the edge sealer may attack certain painted surfaces; always test in an
inconspicuous area before using."

So unless I'm driving my Viper along at 350 mph in a rain storm or decide to turn my Viper into a submarine, I'm not sure the unknown long term effects of seam sealer on my paint is worth it to me. A few 3M vinyls require it....but most don't. 3M covers their ass by stating that the solvents can damage my paint but will not cover removal of product under the warranty if is does damage my paint.

At this point, I'd still have to fall back on my installer and their ability to cover the product and or workmanship down the line. I get the fact that you don't need to be an expert or "shop" to install vinyl, but in 30 seconds of google searches about the 3M seam sealer, there are a lot of specifics that a person not in the business may never know except to find out when the results go sideways. I'd rather have a reputable shop stand behind their work and product than expect 3M to respond to an issue 37 months after the vinyl was applied.

Again, thanks for the link, it helped explain some of the warranty on the film itself, exclusion to warranty coverage (dozens) and life expectancy of the film.

[Zybane]

ta viper.jpg say what????

Very nice. Would be hard to choose between that style of stripe and the normal full length.

My big concern and question from before was can seam sealer cause issues upon removal of the vinyl or cause paint damage. You've not answered that but sent me a link that is helpful. It also help me find this link:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/7...n-bulletin.pdf

Apparently the 3950 seam adhesive has purpose in extreme vinyl applications such as when applying "specific vinyls" to aircraft or watercraft. I'm not sure if the vinyls that are being used as stripes in automotive applications fall under that heading. 3950 seam sealer is required for "some" 3M vinyls to be covered under warranty. I had no idea that there were so any different type of vinyls available for different applications, etc. Very educational link.

Per the above 3M 3950 bulletin:

"The solvent in the edge sealer may attack certain painted surfaces; always test in an
inconspicuous area before using."

So unless I'm driving my Viper along at 350 mph in a rain storm or decide to turn my Viper into a submarine, I'm not sure the unknown long term effects of seam sealer on my paint is worth it to me. A few 3M vinyls require it....but most don't. 3M covers their ass by stating that the solvents can damage my paint but will not cover removal of product under the warranty if is does damage my paint.

At this point, I'd still have to fall back on my installer and their ability to cover the product and or workmanship down the line. I get the fact that you don't need to be an expert or "shop" to install vinyl, but in 30 seconds of google searches about the 3M seam sealer, there are a lot of specifics that a person not in the business may never know except to find out when the results go sideways. I'd rather have a reputable shop stand behind their work and product than expect 3M to respond to an issue 37 months after the vinyl was applied.

Again, thanks for the link, it helped explain some of the warranty on the film itself, exclusion to warranty coverage (dozens) and life expectancy of the film.

You aren't going to want to use edge sealer on racing stripes. Edge sealer is visible. I would personally stick to Primer 94 referenced in the original 3M doc I linked for 3M 1080 film. According to 3M, even with Primer 94 there should be no paint damage to properly applied and cured paint when removing the vinyl.

[serpent]

These, imo look better than the standard two racing stripes.


Seems a lot of cars have the standard two stripes these days (gt500, ford gt, challenger) these stand out a bit more.

[triblk6spd]

My big concern and question from before was can seam sealer cause issues upon removal of the vinyl or cause paint damage. You've not answered that but sent me a link that is helpful. It also help me find this link:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/7...n-bulletin.pdf

Apparently the 3950 seam adhesive has purpose in extreme vinyl applications such as when applying "specific vinyls" to aircraft or watercraft. I'm not sure if the vinyls that are being used as stripes in automotive applications fall under that heading. 3950 seam sealer is required for "some" 3M vinyls to be covered under warranty. I had no idea that there were so any different type of vinyls available for different applications, etc. Very educational link.

Per the above 3M 3950 bulletin:

"The solvent in the edge sealer may attack certain painted surfaces; always test in an
inconspicuous area before using."

So unless I'm driving my Viper along at 350 mph in a rain storm or decide to turn my Viper into a submarine, I'm not sure the unknown long term effects of seam sealer on my paint is worth it to me. A few 3M vinyls require it....but most don't. 3M covers their ass by stating that the solvents can damage my paint but will not cover removal of product under the warranty if is does damage my paint.

At this point, I'd still have to fall back on my installer and their ability to cover the product and or workmanship down the line. I get the fact that you don't need to be an expert or "shop" to install vinyl, but in 30 seconds of google searches about the 3M seam sealer, there are a lot of specifics that a person not in the business may never know except to find out when the results go sideways. I'd rather have a reputable shop stand behind their work and product than expect 3M to respond to an issue 37 months after the vinyl was applied.

Again, thanks for the link, it helped explain some of the warranty on the film itself, exclusion to warranty coverage (dozens) and life expectancy of the film.

Hey there....edge sealer and primer are two different things. I'm not gonna be long winded here but trust me...there is absolutely zero need for any type of adhesion promoter on a simple application such as racing stripes. Adhesion promoter (3M Primer 94 in this case) is really only used in high tension areas such as really deep recessed areas and areas with close to a 90deg curve. 99\100 standard issue racing stripes are installed over the flattest parts of the car and there is NO need whatsoever for a promoter.
On top of this, really very simple concept...primer is a HUGE pain to remove...it's sticky, nasty, and just plain HARD to remove. No installer ever wants to have to deal with a primer uninstall...the chemicals alone will make you sick.
I know Zybane has his opinion on this subject and who knows, in his infinite wisdom actually "wrapping a few panels" maybe he learned something we...who do this everyday...havnt learned yet, but if you find an installer for your stripe package and they pull out a can of primer...please find another installer.
Just to stay *kinda on topic with the matte black thing here are some crappy cell shots of a matte black project we did this am before a local car meet.



Also I agree...I really like those matte stripes that terminate nicely at the front of the hood. Good call!

...and because someone asked...couple random pics of my EVT775 997TT on 20"ADV.1's. We wrapped the hood in 3M Matte and did some "Porsche" type graphics in matte as well. Antonio Calvo of Calvo Motorsports bought this from me and tore it down to start a 1000whp project.

[Fatboy 18]

These, imo look better than the standard two racing stripes.


Seems a lot of cars have the standard two stripes these days (gt500, ford gt, challenger) these stand out a bit more.

Yes they do stand out more but for the wrong reasons IMO, I prefer the straight line stripes. That's my favorite hood though

[Boba Fett]

looks phecking great!!!

[DEADEYE]

I remember doing mine on my own. It was a PITA!!! They're still on there to this day. If I had to do it again, I'd have it done professionaly. Gotta love time stamped pics lol





That gen 5 is just sweeeeeeet!!!!!!

[gerch85]

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[triblk6spd]

DEADEYE....holy shit I remember that! Your car was the inspiration for mine back then.

[Vipes]

Don't even think about trying this at home kids....there's an artistic knack to it and you don't have it.
Just take the money you'd spend on the materials and throw it away now, saves time.

Who are you talking to? There a couple vinyl pros that post on here and probably no kids on this forum.