Matte black stripes over black look insane on this thing!

[City]

Product looks great, but until the OP decides to be a site sponsor, advertising isn't permitted on the forum. Thread is locked for the moment, until we hear from the OP as to his intent.

My apologies for the rule enforcement.

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Reopened after speaking with triblk6spd, who's intent was never to breach our forum rules.

PLEASE respond directly to him (PM) if you want information about his company and/or products.

Sorry for the intrusion.

[DEADEYE]

Wow!!!

[City]

That looks great! I'm a fan of the factory graphite gray stripe on Venom Black for its subtlety, and this nails the understated look as well. I could see this used for a driver's stripe on a TA.

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I agree. One of the best "factory combos".

[mikesax]

Looks somewhat like my black with gunmetal stripes-especially from the front angle!! Understated/Mean/Elegant-BEST type of color IMO with black!!!!

[triblk6spd]

Thanks again guys and sorry moderators.

[Crotalidae]

Very nice!!!

[USWAG RT/10]

Looks great. How much should a good set of stripes cost?

[Synergy]

Looks AWESOME!

[SuperBird4404BBL]

I like it.

[Zybane]

Zybane...no we never use primer. Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business. There is no need for it if the film is applied correctly.

Hmm? When it comes to vinyl racing stripes, you have very long pronounced edges on relatively flat surfaces. Applying the film "correctly" isn't going to magically make the edges of racing stripes super resistant to lifting. Even 3M recommends adhesion promoter in such scenarios.

[triblk6spd]

Last time I checked I was an ACTUALL expert on vinyl wraps, vinly stripes, vinyl signs, pretty much vinyl everything. I'm pretty sure you are not. I work with vinyl for a living...we will wrap $10M in vehicles this year without a SINGLE drop of 3M Primer 94 or any other adhesion promoter.
Applying vinyl correctly is absolutely the name of the game. Any while I'm at it...even the hacks using primer to hold everything down don't really use it on long straight flat runs as this are usually the places with the least tension on the vinyl.
Problem with the Internet is people spread knowledge they don't have. Stop spreading knowledge you obviously don't have.

Hmm? When it comes to vinyl racing stripes, you have very long pronounced edges on relatively flat surfaces. Applying the film "correctly" isn't going to magically make the edges of racing stripes super resistant to lifting. Even 3M recommends adhesion promoter in such scenarios.

[viperr]

I happen to really like that combination. My ancient Gen II has similar colors. I just wish I had a beautiful Gen V like yours under my stripes. Nice car!

[Zybane]

Last time I checked I was an ACTUALL expert on vinyl wraps, vinly stripes, vinyl signs, pretty much vinyl everything. I'm pretty sure you are not. I work with vinyl for a living...we will wrap $10M in vehicles this year without a SINGLE drop of 3M Primer 94 or any other adhesion promoter.
Applying vinyl correctly is absolutely the name of the game. Any while I'm at it...even the hacks using primer to hold everything down don't really use it on long straight flat runs as this are usually the places with the least tension on the vinyl.
Problem with the Internet is people spread knowledge they don't have. Stop spreading knowledge you obviously don't have.

Calm down buddy. Why did you say you had someone else do it if you are the expert? And no, vinyl wrapping isn't some ridiculously hard art that only geniuses can accomplish. That's just what wrappers want the public to believe. It's not rocket science, just takes a little bit of practice.

And racing stripes have nothing to do with the "least tension". Lifting of the edges or "catching an edge" due to cleaning etc is the issue, not tension. That's why 3M, you know the guys that actually make the stuff, recommends adhesion promoter.

But if you want racing stripes really done right, it requires paint. And we all know the high price of doing that properly.

[triblk6spd]

...I'll say it again. You are a standard consumer...blind to how it actually works. I had MY installer do my stripes. NO PRIMER NEEDED. Keep rambling on like you do this for a living and go find a vinyl guy who will use primer in your stripes because YOU think that's how it's done. ...and yes IF you use primer at all its meant to hold down areas with high tension when using Control Tac film...corners...mostly bumpers and whatnot.
We delivered this car two weeks ago...chrome...the single hardest material to work with...period. Not a drop of primer anywhere on the car. And yes...there us a little bit of rocket science involved.

[Zybane]

Spare me the holier than thou attitude. You assume to know my background, what I've wrapped, and I'm not sure what a "standard customer" is. Blind to how it works? Ya, because laying and manipulating vinyl over a panel is just so amazingly complicated. These guys come from DARPA right? How could people that don't work in a vinyl shop possibly comprehend such magic!

What's the point in posting a picture of a full wrap car? There are no exposed edges of the vinyl left open on panels like there are with racing stripes. Not to mention I hope you don't have any lifting edges on a car that you just completed. Adhesion promotion on something like racing stripes is about long-term durability of the stripes. FYI, Chevrolet uses adhesive promoter on their factory vinyl racing stripes. So Chevrolet, in addition to 3M, don't know what they are doing. Good to know. Do you clean/surface prep a car? Guess what, that's to promote adhesion. For a new/small shop, your customer service leaves quite a bit to be desired.

[triblk6spd]

Zybane? Are you stupid? You sound like a complete moron. Arguing with you is obviously pointless. Go ahead and install your stripes and use all the primer you feel you need to get it right.
Lol @ "no exposed edges" on the Lexus....you think I magically managed to adhere the film to the paint by way of osmosis?
You mention surface prep...THIS is the key to adhesion. NOT primer.
Like I said...go ahead and do things the way the Internet has convinced you they need to be done. I'll continue on doing some the highest end wraps in Texas.

Two days ago you are asking a question...to which I provided an answer. Suddenly you are an expert when the answer isn't what you expected? Funny how that works...

[Zybane]

Oh name calling. The last bastion of the clueless.

I would use primer, and guess what, there is a high likelihood that the stripes would last quite a bit longer. Securing the racing stripes with a stronger adhesion potential than relying simply on the adhesive that comes on the back of the film is bad how exactly? Doesn't sound like physics is your strong suite. There is no negative to using adhesive promoter besides being more difficult to remove the vinyl years down the line when you want to remove it. Guess what, that means it's doing it's job. Without the promoter, I suspect you would be one sad panda if someone did the edge of a credit card across the hood surface test on your racing stripes. I also have an inkling why a shop like yours wouldn't use it, and that's because it takes more time and eats into your profits.

And yes, on a full car wrap there are no exterior exposed edges directly on the surface of a panel. You know, that's the purpose of wrapping whole panels? You tuck the vinyl up underneath the edges of the vinyl to adhere to the back side of the lip of whatever panel your wrapping. Be it a bumper, hood, fender. Or the access is secured down in a crevice between panels. For you to not know the difference between wrapping whole panels and racing stripes that leave exposed vinyl edges directly on panels surface is hilarious. Maybe painters should never use primer under their paint too eh? Any painter who tries to increase the adhesiveness of the paint he is applying is a "hack".

To which you provided an answer?

Zybane...no we never use primer. Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business.

Some smart-alack remark. You got called out for spouting nonsense. And yes, I would trust documentation from 3M, or what Chevy does at the factory versus some random new start-up shop in Texas that doesn't even have a working web site. Not sure why I am even still talking to you, you admitted other people do the installs for you..

[RT SERPENT]

I've had my matte black vinyl on black since 2008. Never had a problem or anything lifting.
I did have a pro install mine though. Just not worth attempting with my limited skills in this area.

I love the black on black! Never get tired of it. And it looks different in different light, sunlight, when wet, etc.

[Zybane]

I've had my matte black vinyl on black since 2008. Never had a problem or anything lifting.
I did have a pro install mine though.

I guess you wouldn't know if they used any adhesion promoter unless you went out of your way to ask them.

Got any more pics?

[Bruce H.]

Take a time out guys. We don't always have to agree, but if you can't debate respectfully it's better to just stop.

[triblk6spd]

Agreed. Zybane go on and continue to spew your nonsense. Fact is I own a wrap company with a back log of business with only 4 months open. My installer is one of the best in the business. You on the other hand are a kid who doesn't even own a Viper on a Viper forum. Your rambling about wrapping full panels and whatnot is hilarious as you speak on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
Name calling? I never called you a name. I simply asked if you were stupid. No need to answer. Finish up your wrap and get back to me.
....and for the record most vinyl stripe kits are dealer installed...guess what?...we install those kits with...one again...ZERO primer. I know you are an expert and you obvious don't get it but primer is a crutch 99% of the time. I won't be responding to your Internet based vehicle wrapping installation techniques. Have a good day and safe trip back from wherever you are stationed.

[Zybane]

Agreed. Zybane go on and continue to spew your nonsense. Fact is I own a wrap company with a back log of business with only 4 months open. My installer is one of the best in the business. You on the other hand are a kid who doesn't even own a Viper on a Viper forum. Your rambling about wrapping full panels and whatnot is hilarious as you speak on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
Name calling? I never called you a name. I simply asked if you were stupid. No need to answer. Finish up your wrap and get back to me.
....and for the record most vinyl stripe kits are dealer installed...guess what?...we install those kits with...one again...ZERO primer. I know you are an expert and you obvious don't get it but primer is a crutch 99% of the time. I won't be responding to your Internet based vehicle wrapping installation techniques. Have a good day and safe trip back from wherever you are stationed.

Oh, I wasn't aware of the triblk6spd forum rules that people with cars on order can't join that car's forum until delivery. My mistake..

Ya, no name calling there eh?:

Zybane? Are you stupid? You sound like a complete moron.

I was actually trying to have an adult conversation before your "I work in a vinyl shop, so everyone else is a moron" attitude flip-out about this oh-so amazingly complicated topic.

A non-qualitative statement like "My installer is one of the best in the business" is meaningless. Anyone could say such a thing about anyone, anywhere and in any business.

And no, Corvette vinyl racing stripes are installed at the factory and not the dealer. There aren't that many cars with factory order-able vinyl racing stripes, Corvette being by far the largest.

Why do you keep mentioning this "crutch"? Racing stripes are not under tension, so you don't need to use adhesion promoter as a "crutch" like you would in concave shapes. Are you denying that using a adhesion promoter wouldn't increase the durability of the edge(s) of the racing stripes? That would be one silly bet to take. As a matter of fact, adhesive promoter would be more difficult and time consuming to work with. Re-position-ability of the vinyl is reduced, making the install harder but more durable. And now we've reached the answer as to why your shop doesn't do it for racing stripe installs.

Saying something like this to my first question would have been all that sufficed for normal adult communication: "We feel that the adhesive properties of a properly installed vinyl racing stripe is sufficient enough to maintain a durable "no lift edge" condition for many years without the use of adhesion promoter."

Instead we got:

Zero possibility of applying these yourself.

Primer (edge sealer) is a crutch used by hacks in the vinyl and vehicle wrap business.

You are a standard consumer...blind to how it actually works.

Last time I checked I was an ACTUALL expert on vinyl wraps, vinly stripes, vinyl signs, pretty much vinyl everything.

I'm a vinyl god Attitude.




Good day.

[triblk6spd]

Racing stripes are not under tension, so you don't need to use adhesion promoter as a "crutch" like you would in concave shapes.

Oh shit....now you are so confused you aren't aware that you have come full circle and are now agreeing with my very first post about NOT needing promoter when installing stripes.
Since you have soooo much time on your hands why not spend a few more hours researching only to find out I'm 100% right.
Lets recap....primer is used (even though we dont) to promote adhesion of low tack vinyl to high tension areas. Wrap shops DO over use this product so they can spend less time heating, stretching, post heating. Primer IS a crutch in a lot of cases...one only needs to spend a few extra hours per car to get the film to adhere without primer.
I know you just don't get it and are WAY too hard headed to ever get it by way of an Internet argument but you simply DONT need primer.
Using primer only creates more work and cost for the customer come removal time.
I'll say it again...I'm an actuall expert. NOT trained by searching on Google.

Another shop asked if we used primer on this *very difficult piece and our answer is no. We spend the time it takes to heat and stretch the material...not resort to a crutch *primer to hold it down.




And again I must ask....Two days ago you asked a very basic question in my thread to which I answered. SUDDENLY 48 hours later you are a wrap expert here to tell the entire forum how it's done. What changed?

[Zybane]

Oh shit....now you are so confused you aren't aware that you have come full circle and are now agreeing with my very first post about NOT needing promoter when installing stripes.

Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Simply asking if you use adhesion promoter isn't agreeing with you. I never said you needed adhesion promoter on racing stripes because of tension on the vinyl. I said; and 3M agree's with me that racing stripes would benefit from adhesion promoter due to it deterring edge lifting. Since you know, racing stripes have a massive amount of exposed edges.

Another shop asked if we used primer on this *very difficult piece and our answer is no. We spend the time it takes to heat and stretch the material...not resort to a crutch *primer to hold it down.

Why do you keep posting pictures of full wrap panels? You don't heat and stretch racing stripes around the edges of full panels. We are talking about racing stripes. 98% of the edges are laying open exposed on body panels.

Try and keep up.

Oh and renting a garage in Texas doesn't automatically make you the god of everything Vinyl no matter what you may think.

[triblk6spd]

Renting a garage? I run a 4000 sqft facility.
Again 3 days ago asking basic questions? Today an expert. Keep googling....maybe you will be an expert by next week.
Also...go back and read that last post. Not a single thing you said made made any sense whatsoever.
This looks like a garage to you?

My equipment is worth more than your car...

...aaannnnddddd again. No need for primer on a simple set of stripes. None at all.