Question About Gen 2 Prices/Market

[MalingatorGTS]

I purchased my 97 GTS back in Nov. It is FAR from stock so I know many don't think the prices or values of very modified cars are the same as "stock."
That said, I paid just over 35k for mine and feel I got an outstanding deal based on the cost of the modifications already in the car. Modification wise, I couldn't build this car for what I paid.

The car has outstanding history, all fully documented with receipts for EVERYTHING!

Now I did see the car at a few different prices depending on the site it was on. All that mattered was the final price that I paid. As previous posters have stated, it really comes down to what you as a buyer want in the car and are willing to pay.

I did find several other 97 GTS cars, with less mods, if that's your thing in the mid to high 30's. There were a couple in the lower to mid 40's but IMO they were overpriced based on what else was on the market when I was looking.

[LifeIsGood]

The silver one on the alley sold for 35k yesterday; I contacted the owner as soon as I saw the link.

OMG, a GTS sold for $35K, that must be impossible according to the GTS owners in this thread, apparently they're worth their weight in gold...

...and my roadster is worth it's weight in shit!

The viper is a very low number production vehicle (American muscle). It's worth what a buyer is willing to pay.

[LifeIsGood]

Check Kelley Blue! Their values supposed to be on what vehicles sold for in a given area. I just checked KB on a 2002 in very good condition with 20,000 miles trade in value. So I entered the identical info on both cars.

GTS $45,260
RT10 $37,976

Values seem a little high but the GTS definitely is worth more. It's funny how people make comments with nothing to back it up.

I don't disagree with this information at all, but I don't know any buyers/sellers that use KBB to determine what to take/give for Dodge Vipers...and bone stock vipers which I'm sure are used in KBB can be all over the place based on buyers wants/needs. Let's be real...a paint color on a viper is just paint, a blue/white color scheme is important to some buyers, but in the end it's only paint...blue and white paint doesn't cost more than red and white paint or yellow paint or steel gray paint. I purchased mine bone stock because I wanted to do all the modding myself, but sellers can't get the cost of the mods back when they sell it...so the prices of modded vipers can also be all over the place depending on how much it's modded, who did the mods (a reputable shop or the owner's next door neighbor) and if the mods have perceived value to the buyer.

I know I'm all over the place here, but I'm tired of reading about how much GTSs are worth over roadsters/RT-10s. Again, I don't doubt that there's a difference, but there are tons of extenuating circumstances when dealing with Dodge Vipers, especially GEN IIs.

[slitherv10]

I've been on multiple viper forums for about 5 years now and the only people I know that think this are GTS owners/sellers. I don't doubt that there's a price difference, but $10K is ridiculous.

That's my observation as well.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^And the only ones that usually argue the point are RT-10 Owners^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But on that note, you are correct in saying they are worth what your willing to pay. Color does matter if your looking for stock paint with no stories. If you want a blue and white or any other combo color, adding the extra cost for repaint may make that deal seem petty.

Get the color you want and the condition you want based on what you want to do with it. Save money on mods by buying them already there and spend money on a great steal of a deal stock one that needs them.

[GBS]

I don't disagree with this information at all, but I don't know any buyers/sellers that use KBB to determine what to take/give for Dodge Vipers...and bone stock vipers which I'm sure are used in KBB can be all over the place based on buyers wants/needs. Let's be real...a paint color on a viper is just paint, a blue/white color scheme is important to some buyers, but in the end it's only paint...blue and white paint doesn't cost more than red and white paint or yellow paint or steel gray paint. I purchased mine bone stock because I wanted to do all the modding myself, but sellers can't get the cost of the mods back when they sell it...so the prices of modded vipers can also be all over the place depending on how much it's modded, who did the mods (a reputable shop or the owner's next door neighbor) and if the mods have perceived value to the buyer.

I know I'm all over the place here, but I'm tired of reading about how much GTSs are worth over roadsters/RT-10s. Again, I don't doubt that there's a difference, but there are tons of extenuating circumstances when dealing with Dodge Vipers, especially GEN IIs.

All things being equal the available information seems to support that the a GTS sells for more then an RT10. When you get in to miles, condition, mods, color etc. they all effect a cars worth so the 2 models can't be compared unless all things are equal.

[Jack's GTS]

I'll second that!

Blue an White or nothing I say...

[My98RT10]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^And the only ones that usually argue the point are RT-10 Owners^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's probably true... as it is the other way round for GTS owners

Oh, my 100th post, BTW....

[braunstein82]

35 for a b/w is awesome price from what I see. There is definitely a difference in price between rt and Gts I say only about 5 k . But what your gonna pay is based on what you want and who has it and where it's located. I know of a 95 rt10 stock with 9000 miles for 31 i know of a 96 Gts b/w stock for 42 both local to me. I 'll would sell 98 silver no stripe gts 34000 miles for 39k. Just proof numbers are all over the place. If you give it long enough you'll find near what your looking for for the price you what in a close area. Just because people are asking higher doesn't mean they won't take alot less. Alot of viper owner's don't owe anything on the car.

[Sybil TF]

I paid $35,000 for my 96 GTS with 27,000 miles. Has about $14,000 in mods.Owner wanted around $40,000. I convinced him it was not worth that since it was not all original

[Coloviper]

Condition and history have a lot more to do with the price than just Roadster versus Coupe. Coupes have held value well but seem to be a lot more trashed ones out there lately. Roadsters, there are just more of them and the prices reflect that. Me I actually wanted a Coupe but really, really liking this 96' RT/10 Roadster, more than I thought I would, love the no air bags, no roof, no door handles, etc. Really like the GEN II suspension and rear exhaust. Last of the dinosaurs!

In the end, a couple of thousand here or there means nothing when the quality of the car is there. Each will appeal to their own new owner! Buy what you like and enjoy!

To the OP, you get what you pay for so open the wallet and buy well.

If it was me, I would be snapping up an original, low number 1992 RT/10. They are going to appreciate and only a few made. With 25th Anniversary looming soon, everyone will wish they snagged one up! The ones in great shape with good history will only go up in value!

[viper_eddie]

I've decided to just wait it out a bit longer until I find the right one at a good price. I really like the local 99 ACR with all the mods and at 45k it's a fair price but I want a bit more of a deal. I offered him 43k but he's firm at 45k. As I said, if I don't find one that I want within the next 1-2 months I'll just pick up the 99.

I've found a few Gen 4s for close to 50k and that's pretty tempting; I've never driven the Gen 4 so I'm not sure how I would like it compared to the Gen 2. Yes Gen 2 is more raw which is what I like but I have to see if the Gen 4 is still "raw" enough for me.

[dodgestang]

In other news......1 more year before the 96 GTS hits vintage status is a few dozen US states ........I would expect prices to go up a little once that happens.

[Sybil TF]

I've decided to just wait it out a bit longer until I find the right one at a good price. I really like the local 99 ACR with all the mods and at 45k it's a fair price but I want a bit more of a deal. I offered him 43k but he's firm at 45k. As I said, if I don't find one that I want within the next 1-2 months I'll just pick up the 99.

I've found a few Gen 4s for close to 50k and that's pretty tempting; I've never driven the Gen 4 so I'm not sure how I would like it compared to the Gen 2. Yes Gen 2 is more raw which is what I like but I have to see if the Gen 4 is still "raw" enough for me.

That's smart, That's what I did. Just waited and the guy got back with me a few months later and then we struck a deal. Just wait, he may get back with you.

[dodgestang]

I offered him 43k but he's firm at 45k.

If you made an actual offer and not a "hey I'll give you 43 man" as you were walking by it one day.....than that owner was/is a fool. There are two types of people.......those with "their car for sale" who put a price that is high, justify it mentally that its worth it to them, and then sit around and wait for years until some sucke...ahh....person falls completely in love with it and offers them asking price at which point they might decide to actually part with it......these are usually also the ones you see at car shows year after year with the same car and "For Sale" painted in color matching paint on the window in small letters. The other type are people selling their car(s). eBay and Craigslist has created a lot more "their car is for sale" types then there used to be. They all look at each others ads and drink the same coolaid without ever actually bothering to look at where the market is for actual sale prices and not just asking prices.

[VoodooRob]

I agree with Dodgestang, the seller who turned down a $43k offer on a $45K asking missed an opportunity to sell. Just like real sellers hate tire kicker buyers, real buyers hate non committed sellers. My thought is to pay good $ for a good product = a good deal.

[viper_eddie]

Maybe I should have been more clear, he's asking 48k and he told me 45k is the lowest he'll take. I went in person, saw it and told him I'll get back to him after I sell my car. I didn't even ask to drive it. The 2nd time I went (after I sold my 911) I went in person and he gave me a ride and I told him about setting up an inspection to see if it will pass with flying colors and if it does, I'll go home and bring him 43k cash. He lives about 25 minutes away from me and he knows I'm serious. He said he's firm at 45k otherwise he won't sell it. He's trying to sell it because he has a daughter now and wants a car the whole family can enjoy BUT at the same time he's not desperate for money or anything. Having said that, the car has been up for sale for 8 months.

I understand all that and I feel 45k is decent for all the mods it has but 43k would be more fair to me haha. Fyi it has smooth tubes, bigger throttle bodies, bigger cam (not 100% sure), ported + polished heads, lightweight flywheel, Edelbrock headers, high flow cats + Borla exhaust and 3.55 gears. The car is immaculate basically. Here is the link below, what are your guys' thoughts on the car?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ngId=357436461

[braunstein82]

See all depends on what you want and what the seller needs or thinks they have. Another example I started @ 42 when post started and down to 38 now. Lol. If you wait long enough he will come down or you'll find the perfect car.

[braunstein82]

And I'm firm at 38 unless you offer me 37500. Just kidding.

[GBS]

See all depends on what you want and what the seller needs or thinks they have. Another example I started @ 42 when post started and down to 38 now. Lol. If you wait long enough he will come down or you'll find the perfect car.

If you wait long enough the car will go down in price due to depreciation or up in price because it's a now highly desired classic. It depends how long you wait.

[thetalonguy]

I understand all that and I feel 45k is decent for all the mods it has but 43k would be more fair to me haha. Fyi it has smooth tubes, bigger throttle bodies, bigger cam (not 100% sure), ported + polished heads, lightweight flywheel, Edelbrock headers, high flow cats + Borla exhaust and 3.55 gears. The car is immaculate basically. Here is the link below, what are your guys' thoughts on the car?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ngId=357436461

Those are good mods to start off with. Being a solid red ACR, I believe your offer of $43K is reasonable. I think $45K may be a tad high, especially at this time of the year.

But as you mentioned, you can wait it out and keep your eye open for exactly what you want.

When I was looking earlier in the year, I was looking at a local '97 B/W that a guy kept putting on ebay, but never getting his reserve. He was asking a lot more than I wanted to spend at the time. We spoke a couple of times and he finally met my number. I was supposed to go check it out myself, then all of the sudden he stopped returning my calls. Didn't even have the regard to call me and say he wanted more for it. Well I ended up unexpectedly coming up with a bunch of cash shortly thereafter and would have probably met him in the middle. But I said screw him, his lose. Then I came across my car which was one of my favorite color combos on a GEN 2.

[viper_eddie]

All good advice and I will wait it out. As much as I like the 708 cam sound I prefer an ABS car because I do plan on driving it a lot and doing road trips with it. And as previously stated a cam can always be swapped out much easier than retro-fitting ABS.

[Sybil TF]

He's trying to sell it because he has a daughter now and wants a car the whole family can enjoy BUT at the same time he's not desperate for money or anything. Having said that, the car has been up for sale for 8 months.

You got him by the balls dude, offer him $44,000 and go get that son of a gun!!!

[viper_eddie]

You got him by the balls dude, offer him $44,000 and go get that son of a gun!!!

That thought has crossed my mind but still not sure he'd accept that. He does have a set of stock GTS shocks which would come with the car, I guess those must be worth something. Still, even at 44k I don't feel it's really the right price. 43 is, at least to me

[DaveW]

Jeez!!!!!! He's come down 3k, if you met him in the middle, that's 45.5k. Give him the 45k and start enjoying the car!!!!!

[Sybil TF]

That thought has crossed my mind but still not sure he'd accept that. He does have a set of stock GTS shocks which would come with the car, I guess those must be worth something. Still, even at 44k I don't feel it's really the right price. 43 is, at least to me

I would get it for $42,000....let your wife or girlfriend do this deal