Question About Gen 2 Prices/Market

[MalingatorGTS]

If you REALLY want the car, why not just spend the 2k? At 43k you would spend far more then the 2k and not get nearly as much in terms of modification as the car has. If you are set at your budget and won't go a penny over, I get it, we've all been there even on principles.

As addicted to getting the car I want, I set a price in my head and always think of padding about 5k into that number either because it has what I wanted or I know in the first year I will spend that to modify it.

[viper_eddie]

Jeez!!!!!! He's come down 3k, if you met him in the middle, that's 45.5k. Give him the 45k and start enjoying the car!!!!!

Well that's beside the point. Had he listed it for 55k does that mean we should have agreed 49k? It's about getting a good deal and fair market value.

I would get it for $42,000....let your wife or girlfriend do this deal

First time I went there I was with my girlfriend so I guess I should have let her make the offers haha

If you REALLY want the car, why not just spend the 2k? At 43k you would spend far more then the 2k and not get nearly as much in terms of modification as the car has. If you are set at your budget and won't go a penny over, I get it, we've all been there even on principles.

As addicted to getting the car I want, I set a price in my head and always think of padding about 5k into that number either because it has what I wanted or I know in the first year I will spend that to modify it.

I do want it but then again the cash I have isn't burning a hole in my pocket. The first thing he told me when we spoke on the phone was that he's had it up for sale for 8 months because there aren't a lot of people that have almost 50k to spend on a used car. I want a good deal and I'm willing to wait a bit longer; if I still can't find anything in the next 1-2 months then I'll go for it...

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't way off in my market assumptions. And as I previously stated, the fact that you can pick up some Gen 4 coupes for 50-54k is giving me something to think about. Don't worry everyone, I will get a Viper! That is going to happen haha

[Dajerseyviper]

I agree with Dodgestang, the seller who turned down a $43k offer on a $45K asking missed an opportunity to sell. Just like real sellers hate tire kicker buyers, real buyers hate non committed sellers. My thought is to pay good $ for a good product = a good deal.

When I was looking I had just sold my 67 Camaro and was literally getting ready to leave my house to look at a 2001 RT10 I was gonna buy for $33,500 when the owner claimed that someone gave him a deposit on the car for $34,500. I told him i had the cash and did not intend to leave a deposit and didnt need to wait a week to get the rest of the money, I was a legit buyer as they come and if the car checked out I would give him the agreed upon $33,500 on the spot. The asshole said sorry I took a deposit and the person would be back next week with the rest of the money..Im pretty sure you can figure out where this is going...

Long story short, guess who called 2 weeks later after I already had purchased a Viper...His car is still for sale for even less than what I was going to give him..The moral of the story, is if you have a really interested buyer, do not play games and pass up the chance to sell, the market is a buyers market right now.If I had not purchased a Viper already ,my new offer to Mr. Asshole would be 30K just out of principal for being a dick.

[slitherv10]

An ACR with that many miles in that condition STOCK would go for 40,000. That being said, with the tasteful mods he has on that car, you would be well over the 45,000 he is willing to take. If you find a clean stock one and buy it and then want those mods, you would be crazy to pass this one up. If this is the car you want with the right mods that you would put on your car, then go for it and don't lose it. If you feel that there are a dime a dozen in that condition with those mods you want, then sit and window shop for a while.

Is the car worth 45.....all day long it is....People who go out there and buy stock only to want to mod it after are not thinking practical. Buy a good clean well looked after modded one and you will save lots of money and no down time and hassles. Everything is ironed out for you and its ready for a drive.

I would go for it. 45 with those mods and if its clean and well looked after, its a good deal to me. If your dickering on 2K ten its not the car for you. There is no way anyone would pass on the right car for 2k, especially when the asking price is more than fair for what your getting.

Its like those TT cars that people spend and extra 50K on it and sell it for a quarter of the cost. People still try to bargain for it when in actual fact they would be spending much more and have to deal with all the tuning and fine detail of that car which on a good used one was already taken care of.

[Redsled]

slither is spot on with that car. A Stop Tech BBK is 4-5K alone. That car has tasteful mods that enhance the performance and looks of the car. I'm tempted to drive the 90 minutes and pick it up for myself.

[viper_eddie]

When I was looking I had just sold my 67 Camaro and was literally getting ready to leave my house to look at a 2001 RT10 I was gonna buy for $33,500 when the owner claimed that someone gave him a deposit on the car for $34,500. I told him i had the cash and did not intend to leave a deposit and didnt need to wait a week to get the rest of the money, I was a legit buyer as they come and if the car checked out I would give him the agreed upon $33,500 on the spot. The asshole said sorry I took a deposit and the person would be back next week with the rest of the money..Im pretty sure you can figure out where this is going...

Long story short, guess who called 2 weeks later after I already had purchased a Viper...His car is still for sale for even less than what I was going to give him..The moral of the story, is if you have a really interested buyer, do not play games and pass up the chance to sell, the market is a buyers market right now.If I had not purchased a Viper already ,my new offer to Mr. Asshole would be 30K just out of principal for being a dick.

slither is spot on with that car. A Stop Tech BBK is 4-5K alone. That car has tasteful mods that enhance the performance and looks of the car. I'm tempted to drive the 90 minutes and pick it up for myself.

I also have to agree with Dajerseyviper regarding it being a buyer's market, although slither has a good point. As I said previously my ideal car is a 2001-2002 because of the ABS. If it had that I would have bought it already. I did the math already on all the mods and they're worth a lot of money but I don't mind waiting 1-2 more months to see if an ABS car comes along.

[slitherv10]

I also have to agree with Dajerseyviper regarding it being a buyer's market, although slither has a good point. As I said previously my ideal car is a 2001-2002 because of the ABS. If it had that I would have bought it already. I did the math already on all the mods and they're worth a lot of money but I don't mind waiting 1-2 more months to see if an ABS car comes along.

Why exactly do you need ABS for again?? Is it to save your ars when your racing someone at over 130miles/h and you need the car to stay straight when you need to stop behind the transport truck that just happen to be in your way, or...is it in the winter time when the car slides from underneath you in the deep snow on your way to cars and coffee. I say your making excuses not to buy this one or are hesitant at the idea of spending this kind of money. No disrespect of course, its just the way I see it with your responses.

[viper_eddie]

Why exactly do you need ABS for again?? Is it to save your ars when your racing someone at over 130miles/h and you need the car to stay straight when you need to stop behind the transport truck that just happen to be in your way, or...is it in the winter time when the car slides from underneath you in the deep snow on your way to cars and coffee. I say your making excuses not to buy this one or are hesitant at the idea of spending this kind of money. No disrespect of course, its just the way I see it with your responses.

I think I discussed this a bit more in another thread. I'm not going to get into an ABS vs non-ABS debate but a few pointers:

1) I usually don't go faster than 80-90 on the freeway; I'm just not a fan of high speeds on public roads and besides that I enjoy acceleration more. So me racing at 130 mph is not going to happen on the street.

2) I plan on tracking the car occasionally...if you can threshold brake better than an ABS unit in an emergency situation then good for you. I've never tried it and I doubt that I can. If that ABS is the difference between me totaling the car and not, I will gladly accept it.

3) I plan on driving the car a lot and I'm not sure if you've ever driven in LA but there are many idiot drivers out here. I've had numerous situations in which I'm driving at 40 mph behind someone (at a safe distance) and out of nowhere they slam on the brakes because they realize they missed a turn. Or they decide to cut you off last minute. Once again, if ABS saves me from crashing the car then I'll gladly accept it.

4) There's a few ABS vs non-ABS threads on Vipers that you can read but overall, there's a reason why ABS is mandated on all cars. I would argue that all BUT the very best don't need it. While I consider myself a good driver (never been in an accident), I definitely think ABS would be to my benefit.

5) Yeah my excuse is the cash I have is not burning a hole in my pocket. The more money the car is the more hesitant I am to buy it since I have more options. For 52k I can buy a Gen 4 so that gets me thinking. Or for 70k my local dealer has a new 2013 base SRT. In the 50k range I can also buy a heavily modded 2nd Gen Viper with a twin turbo set up. Why not spend 10k more for 300 more horsepower? It's a slippery slope but I'm looking for a great deal. If that ACR was a great deal it would have sold by now instead of sitting for 8 months, unless redsled picks it up . I'm looking for a great deal but as previously stated, if I don't find it I'll go back and get the ACR. I've only been actively searching for 3 months so can't say I've waited that long.

This thread was never about me deciding if I should get that ACR or not, it's about me checking with more seasoned Viper owners about how they feel the market is right now for all the Gen 2 models.

[agentf1]

Well that's beside the point. Had he listed it for 55k does that mean we should have agreed 49k? It's about getting a good deal and fair market value.



First time I went there I was with my girlfriend so I guess I should have let her make the offers haha



I do want it but then again the cash I have isn't burning a hole in my pocket. The first thing he told me when we spoke on the phone was that he's had it up for sale for 8 months because there aren't a lot of people that have almost 50k to spend on a used car. I want a good deal and I'm willing to wait a bit longer; if I still can't find anything in the next 1-2 months then I'll go for it...

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't way off in my market assumptions. And as I previously stated, the fact that you can pick up some Gen 4 coupes for 50-54k is giving me something to think about. Don't worry everyone, I will get a Viper! That is going to happen haha

I would go with the 45 if it is the car you want. Is it really worth waiting and continuing to look for another for a measly 2k. I see the sellers point with his 45 bottom line which is more than reasonable.

One thing I noticed with these cars is you get what you pay for. Once they hit 10,000 miles the price drops. You also pay more or one year only more desirable colors. The cars history also means a lot. And you cannot point to that rare case where a low mileage car went cheap because of something you are not seeing in the cars history, condition or because the seller is desperate. If you have plenty of time you may find that deal from a desperate seller but they are far and few apart, atleast they were when I bought mine. Nice cars are HARD to find and getting rarer and rarer. I would rather pay a little more and have a quality car and be driving it now opposed to waiting around and looking. But then some people enjoy the hunt more than the car itself. You also cannot compare Gen II prices with Gen III IV or V, they are totally different cars and different markets similar to not being able to compare 993 Porsche prices to 996 997 or 991 Porsches.

[agentf1]

I think I discussed this a bit more in another thread. I'm not going to get into an ABS vs non-ABS debate but a few pointers:

1) I usually don't go faster than 80-90 on the freeway; I'm just not a fan of high speeds on public roads and besides that I enjoy acceleration more. So me racing at 130 mph is not going to happen on the street.

2) I plan on tracking the car occasionally...if you can threshold brake better than an ABS unit in an emergency situation then good for you. I've never tried it and I doubt that I can. If that ABS is the difference between me totaling the car and not, I will gladly accept it.

3) I plan on driving the car a lot and I'm not sure if you've ever driven in LA but there are many idiot drivers out here. I've had numerous situations in which I'm driving at 40 mph behind someone (at a safe distance) and out of nowhere they slam on the brakes because they realize they missed a turn. Or they decide to cut you off last minute. Once again, if ABS saves me from crashing the car then I'll gladly accept it.

4) There's a few ABS vs non-ABS threads on Vipers that you can read but overall, there's a reason why ABS is mandated on all cars. I would argue that all BUT the very best don't need it. While I consider myself a good driver (never been in an accident), I definitely think ABS would be to my benefit.

5) Yeah my excuse is the cash I have is not burning a hole in my pocket. The more money the car is the more hesitant I am to buy it since I have more options. For 52k I can buy a Gen 4 so that gets me thinking. Or for 70k my local dealer has a new 2013 base SRT. In the 50k range I can also buy a heavily modded 2nd Gen Viper with a twin turbo set up. Why not spend 10k more for 300 more horsepower? It's a slippery slope but I'm looking for a great deal. If that ACR was a great deal it would have sold by now instead of sitting for 8 months, unless redsled picks it up . I'm looking for a great deal but as previously stated, if I don't find it I'll go back and get the ACR. I've only been actively searching for 3 months so can't say I've waited that long.

This thread was never about me deciding if I should get that ACR or not, it's about me checking with more seasoned Viper owners about how they feel the market is right now for all the Gen 2 models.

After reading this maybe you should be looking for a Gen III or IV. If you just want the most Viper for your money get as new a car as you can. If you want a Gen II with its iconic looks and ABS you are limiting yourself to 2001 and 2002.

[viper_eddie]

agent f1, I sold my 993 so I can get a Viper and I definitely see a similarity between Gen 2 vs Gen 3, 4 & 5 as far as the air-cooled vs water-cooled Porsche thing goes. My number one choice is a 2001-2002 Gen 2 GTS/ACR and from then on I would say it's a 98-99 GTS/ACR. After that it's an RT/10 and finally 4th place is a split between all the other generations.

I failed to mention but I have a couple more leads on other ACRs so I want to see how that pans out before committing.

[agentf1]

agent f1, I sold my 993 so I can get a Viper and I definitely see a similarity between Gen 2 vs Gen 3, 4 & 5 as far as the air-cooled vs water-cooled Porsche thing goes. My number one choice is a 2001-2002 Gen 2 GTS/ACR and from then on I would say it's a 98-99 GTS/ACR. After that it's an RT/10 and finally 4th place is a split between all the other generations.

I failed to mention but I have a couple more leads on other ACRs so I want to see how that pans out before committing.

I will say there is nothing like a Gen II IMHO. You will love the car and the attention it gets once you own one. There is no other car with as much road presence IMHO.

As far as the ACR's go I would drive one before you make up your mind. They ride very rough from what I hear and the shocks can get VERY expensive if you are on a budget.

[Uncle Paul]

I would expect that at this time of year, Viper prices would be about as low as they would be all year.

If you cannot make a deal now, then expect to pay a bit more in the Spring.

Vipers are now more in demand than several years ago, when the depression hit bottom. Lots more money around these days.

There is a market price for Vipers. No matter what that market price, many are determined to get their car at a lower price to stroke their ego and provide bragging rights. Unless buyers step up, they run the risk of always just being a "wanna-be"

Hope you find the right car for you, and feel the money is well spent.

[slitherv10]

After reading this maybe you should be looking for a Gen III or IV. If you just want the most Viper for your money get as new a car as you can. If you want a Gen II with its iconic looks and ABS you are limiting yourself to 2001 and 2002.

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[GBS]

I will say there is nothing like a Gen II IMHO. You will love the car and the attention it gets once you own one. There is no other car with as much road presence IMHO.

As far as the ACR's go I would drive one before you make up your mind. They ride very rough from what I hear and the shocks can get VERY expensive if you are on a budget.

I use to have a 2002 GTS and I now have a 2002 ACR. I haven't noticed much difference if any in the ride. If I were to sell my 2002 ACR I would ask $50,000 and might take $47,500. It's in immaculate condition with only 5,616 miles. I recently been offered $45,000 on a trade in.

[Sybil TF]

Why exactly do you need ABS for again??

I hate ABS and glad mine don't have it.

[Sybil TF]

I would go with the 45 if it is the car you want. Is it really worth waiting and continuing to look for another for a measly 2k.

Can you spare a measly 2k? I'm poor....

[XSnake]

I use to have a 2002 GTS and I now have a 2002 ACR. I haven't noticed much difference if any in the ride. If I were to sell my 2002 ACR I would ask $50,000 and might take $47,500. It's in immaculate condition with only 5,616 miles. I recently been offered $45,000 on a trade in.

if you were offered 45k on trade in by a dealer that's impressive.

[GBS]

if you were offered 45k on trade in by a dealer that's impressive.

$45,000 was offered by a reputable dealer and sponsor of VOA. When you consider the 6% sales tax reduction in Florida due to the trade in, its like selling it for $48,000. The Kelly Blue book trade in value is actually more for the car. Of course I've also gotten trade-in offers for less. As much as I would like to get a GEN V I would hate to part with this Gen II. I regretted selling my first Gen II. I'm not sure I'll actually enjoy a Gen V more then a Gen II. I don't have room in my garages for another car without getting rid of one.

[agentf1]

I use to have a 2002 GTS and I now have a 2002 ACR. I haven't noticed much difference if any in the ride. If I were to sell my 2002 ACR I would ask $50,000 and might take $47,500. It's in immaculate condition with only 5,616 miles. I recently been offered $45,000 on a trade in.

Sounds like you found your car Eddie. 47.5 is an awesome price for a low mile ACR providing it does not have a history and is in pristine condition. The only negative I see is no stripes and that is a matter of personal preference. I prefer stripes on my GTS.

If they were offering you 45 they would have it on their lot for probably 55.

[viper_eddie]

Sounds like you found your car Eddie. 47.5 is an awesome price for a low mile ACR providing it does not have a history and is in pristine condition. The only negative I see is no stripes and that is a matter of personal preference. I prefer stripes on my GTS.

If they were offering you 45 they would have it on their lot for probably 55.

Yes it could be the one, I'm already discussing with him and need to do a bit of looking into how much it would cost to ship it over here since I don't have the time now to drive it across the country (Christmas vacation is gone). Waiting on another local 2002 ACR guy to get back to me and then I'll figure it out. It's nice to have options

As far as stripes go, yes I would prefer one with stripes but that's not a big enough deal to sway me. ABS is more important to me

[agentf1]

Yes it could be the one, I'm already discussing with him and need to do a bit of looking into how much it would cost to ship it over here since I don't have the time now to drive it across the country (Christmas vacation is gone). Waiting on another local 2002 ACR guy to get back to me and then I'll figure it out. It's nice to have options

As far as stripes go, yes I would prefer one with stripes but that's not a big enough deal to sway me. ABS is more important to me

Grab it quick, not many under 10,000 mile clean cars out there especially for under 50. If red is your color you cannot go wrong. And you will be driving that beast instead of looking at them on the web. While some enjoy the hunt I found driving it even more fun. I prefer the kill. Congrats and enjoy it if the deal goes through. And GBS, you can wire my cut to me. I will pm you my account #. ;-) LOL

[agentf1]

Another thing you have to remember is that things can add up quick on these or any cars. You may pay a little more up front for a low mile car but you will have piece of mind knowing you are not going to have to replace anything on it and you basically have a brand new car. You can also put more miles on it before you hit that 10,000 mile threshold. I bought mine back like 7 years ago with 985 miles on it from Bernie and paid a premium for it but I had a piece of mind knowing the car was 100% correct.

[Dajerseyviper]

I also have to agree with Dajerseyviper regarding it being a buyer's market, although slither has a good point. As I said previously my ideal car is a 2001-2002 because of the ABS. If it had that I would have bought it already. I did the math already on all the mods and they're worth a lot of money but I don't mind waiting 1-2 more months to see if an ABS car comes along.

Ill sell you my 2002 RT10 cause I really might want a different color combo..

[GBS]

Grab it quick, not many under 10,000 mile clean cars out there especially for under 50. If red is your color you cannot go wrong. And you will be driving that beast instead of looking at them on the web. While some enjoy the hunt I found driving it even more fun. I prefer the kill. Congrats and enjoy it if the deal goes through. And GBS, you can wire my cut to me. I will pm you my account #. ;-) LOL

LOL, I don't count on anything until it happens. The fact that Eddie is in CA and I'm in FL adds more to the cost when you consider shipping. If I end up selling the GEN II and getting a GEN V it will be nice but if I don't having a GEN II ACR is great too. I've also been considering selling/trading in my Mercedes Benz and getting a GEN V and keeping the GEN II. I need to get rid of one car to make room for another.