I'm confused.

[Granger73]

FOR SALE: One pair of rose colored glasses.
Contact Janey----VCA Ohio.

[arizonajack]

Arizonajack,

PM me your address and I'll have Barb or Bridgett send you our 3rd and latest edition of Viper Quarterly magazine, on me of course.

Done.

[arizonajack]

Now I'm getting it that the OP posted the exact same post on both forums... LOL

Of course.

I noted that the Arizona Viper Club is affiliated with VOA, so that might be a plus for VOA. I'll be dropping in on them on the 15th when they meet up for their trip to Tucson.

Thanks, everybody, I'm not confused anymore.

[LifeIsGood]

Every time I read something about the VCA or from the VCA...it makes my head hurt. I think to myself...are these people stupid or just over the top naive. We've been down this road too many times. The VCA went into the crapper over a period of years. It didn't happen all of the sudden. Shooting it was the only recourse. It hasn't died, but it's clearly in ICU and on life support. Hopefully some day, some one will pull the plug.

[ViperTony]

I don't know Mr. cubican and he most certainly does not know me, but to post such false and inflammatory things is enough insight into why folks left that club and knew it did not represent what's good about Viper ownership.

No, nobody in the VOA is paid. Great example of why so many left the other club. Not surprised they're still clinging on to lies. The VOA doesn't hide it's membership count. It's clearly posted on our home page. Our BOD is vast and includes all region presidents and not hand-chosen lemmings. Magazines are delivered on time and high quality. Our NVE was wildly successful. We operate in a transparent manner. We don't have hidden forums and our discussions are not moderated, people aren't banned and posts don't mysteriously disappear. Just more chicken-shit antics from the cowards over there that can't come clean with the truth.

If you attended NVE1 then you know this club is not about politics, it about Vipers and camaraderie. Many good people here.

Join whichever club makes you happy or none at all. At the end of the day, enjoy your Viper. In the meantime, check out your local VOA region and have fun with your Viper.

[Janni]

No, nobody in the VOA is paid. Great example of why so many left the other club. Not surprised they're still clinging on to lies. The VOA doesn't hide it's membership count. It's clearly posted on our home page. Our BOD is vast and includes all region presidents and not hand-chosen lemmings. Magazines are delivered on time and high quality. Our NVE was wildly successful. We operate in a transparent manner. We don't have hidden forums and our discussions are not moderated, people aren't banned and posts don't mysteriously disappear. If you attended NVE1 then you know this club is not about politics, it about Vipers and camaraderie. Many good people here.

Join whichever club makes you happy or none at all. At the end of the day, enjoy your Viper. In the meantime, check out your local VOA region and have fun with your Viper.

You are CLEARLY biased... LOL!

[daytonprowler]

That's an interesting map of the regions Can you break it down to how many members are in each region?...it would make good food for thought...

Thanks

It's a manual process to pull the regions, but I do know the top five.

1. Illinois
2. Southern California
3. Northern California
4. Ohio
5. NY/CT

Contact your regional President - Richard Sewell and he can tell you how many you have in your region.

The membership ticker on the home page goes up only after the credit card has gone through. So it is accurate.

[Shooter]

I am not sure if this is even going to be allowed on the site, but here goes.

1. Bill and I were totally loyal to the Ohio VOA until the President started stating certain things, which were not true.


Members should take note..... members of the Ohio VOA You really did not have elections for officers, the President just appoints who he wants.

As you can see, somethings are a lot different here. No way in hell would the VCA let you post something like that.

But here are my questions. In the parts of your post I highlighted, there is no substance. For instance, what "certain" things were said?. Tell all us members here, the SPECIFIC things that were said. If you cannot, then I think your just full of crap, and up to the usual VCA BS.

Explain to us how the President "appoints just who he wants".

I'm a skeptic, but willing to listen.

[JANEY]

As you can see, somethings are a lot different here. No way in hell would the VCA let you post something like that.

But here are my questions. In the parts of your post I highlighted, there is no substance. For instance, what "certain" things were said?. Tell all us members here, the SPECIFIC things that were said. If you cannot, then I think your just full of crap, and up to the usual VCA BS.

Explain to us how the President "appoints just who he wants".

I'm a skeptic, but willing to listen.

Shooter

The information about my husband leaving the VOA was to emailed to all of the Presidents and National Officers of the VOA.
Included in this email is the information to answer your questions. I suggest that you contact them.

[Shooter]

Shooter

The information about my husband leaving the VOA was to emailed to all of the Presidents and National Officers of the VOA.
Included in this email is the information to answer your questions. I suggest that you contact them.

Is it so hard to let all us members see it?. That reply of yours reminds me of the way the VCA handled things.

[ViperTony]

Explain to us how the President "appoints just who he wants". I'm a skeptic, but willing to listen.

Same here. Sorry Janey, I don't know what issue you're having but would like to help.

[VYPR BYT]

No, nobody in the VOA is paid. Great example of why so many left the other club. ... We operate in a transparent manner. We don't have hidden forums and our discussions are not moderated, people aren't banned and posts don't mysteriously disappear.

Hey arizonajack (and anyone else wondering) I just posted Matt's link to the Alley with all the info you're looking for over on the VCA thread you started... We'll see how long it takes before it goes poof and disappears. That should give you viable insight as to how they operate.

[FLATOUT]

That's an interesting map of the regions Can you break it down to how many members are in each region?...it would make good food for thought...

Thanks

James I think we have over 60+ paid and active members in the Houston VOA.

[daytonprowler]

Sorry GRANGER73, your number of 1859 is now incorrect.....

In just the last hour or so since your post at the VCA website, we had two more brand new VOA members sign up. One from Washington and another from Louisiana.

So we now have 1861 members running the VOA.

[BlknBlu]

I have a confession to make, I do get paid. The gratification of the Crossroads of America region praises on a daily basis. I did not get any email regarding the comments above by Janey either.

Bruce

[daytonprowler]

Hey arizonajack (and anyone else wondering) I just posted Matt's link to the Alley with all the info you're looking for over on the VCA thread you started... We'll see how long it takes before it goes poof and disappears. That should give you viable insight as to how they operate.

You guessed it Mike. Take a look at the thread on the VCA website now. They deleted your post and GRANGER73's. LOL
And GRANGER73 is a paid VCA member.

Some things never change.

[SmoknTires]

It's a long sorted story. But for the club I was part of from the very beginning for 20 years I'm sad to see censorship continues and so does misdirection to it's few members (ie "VOI being sold out", then only 25 cars show up... Used to be 1200 people at those events). They don't tell people how many members they have because nearly every region left - their highest contingent is Germany simply because news of the VOA wouldn't be shared there by their president - who is a VCA officer. In the US they generally get those folks who buy vipers and are unaware, but in short time they see that there are no real local regions and they come to VOA. And they enjoy blaming past leadership, but some of those very people are still there. And as for some of the past leadership they are referencing, all of those responsible for the debacle over the last 8 years haven't joined this club.

The whole ambition, since efforts to change the old club weren't working, was to start a new one that was built on the premise that control should be by the regions - so this club is run by over 40 people who are the presidents of the regions and officers of this club (and not the national officers). Aside from that, we don't have paid members running any pieces of the club, and we do a lot more with volunteers. We of course support our manufacturer, I won't even get into the ridiculousness of the past with the treatment of Chrysler, we left immediately when attacks began toward some of our favorite executives. And of course we don't have for profit businesses subsidizing us, we wanted to be 100 miles away from that. Add to that the transparency and quality that we said we wanted and would not waver, and here we are today. In the end we kept what worked, we changed what didn't. Frankly, the dedicated people who helped build the initial club (over 20 of them) and then all the presidents who then came aboard and helped kick it off, was amazing. The veteran ship from many, helped a lot. I myself can't believe how quick this all happened.

Anyway, that's the very short story. Looking ahead, everyone has pulled out of the history pretty quick and it's nice to be where we are and looking ahead. And while questions like this surface, it's less and less and I sense not long from now this will be forgotten. Nowadays we're just focused on the finer touches and now it's actually fun (soon to come: mobile forum app, merchandise store, digital mag, etc more...). I'm a big believer in club culture in large group dynamics. When you have a good foundation, the rest takes care of itself. Lots of positive people truly here for the right reason. On a different topic though, being in other clubs, I will say that Viper owners are the sweet spot when it comes to people. Not snobby, capable, grounded, and they like to DRIVE their cars the way they were designed to be driven. Makes it easy.

[XSnake]

Shooter

The information about my husband leaving the VOA was to emailed to all of the Presidents and National Officers of the VOA.
Included in this email is the information to answer your questions. I suggest that you contact them.

I don't know how each region handled the move over to the new club and I obviously don't know each regions bylaws but most regions moved over to VOA and kept the local leadership structure without an election process. VCA did this on a National leadership level when CM was in charge remember? If your region elects every 2 years then I'm guessing this year would be the year that regions will start holding elections locally since we are in year 2 of VOA.

I also highly suggest everyone clicking the link in my signature to save your self from future headaches.

[VYPR BYT]

BEFORE...



AFTER...




History is revised only on the VCA ...
Unless of course they hack into my photobucket account. lol

[FLATOUT]

Imagine that lol. Let it go NSANE1 guy, just let it die haha.

BEFORE...



AFTER...




History is revised only on the VCA ...
Unless of course they hack into my photobucket account. lol

[ViperTony]

Imagine that lol. Let it go NSANE1 guy, just let it die haha.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...ll=1#post89971 and people thought I was making things up over the thread deletes. LMFAO.

[Herrsss]

James I think we have over 60+ paid and active members in the Houston VOA.

We actually have 61 VOA members in the Houston Region

[daytonprowler]

I don't know how each region handled the move over to the new club and I obviously don't know each regions bylaws but most regions moved over to VOA and kept the local leadership structure without an election process. VCA did this on a National leadership level when CM was in charge remember? If your region elects every 2 years then I'm guessing this year would be the year that regions will start holding elections locally since we are in year 2 of VOA.

I also highly suggest everyone clicking the link in my signature to save your self from future headaches.

The accusation by the Whites that there was no election process and that Terry Bosserman just picked people is a blatant LIE! Emails were sent by Janey White to the Ohio members about the election process. They were also included in the monthly newsletters sent to the members by Janey White.

May 28, 2014 - Excerpt from the VOA Ohio Region Newsletter "HISSSS NEWS"
President's Message:

"Please support the VOA and the Ohio Club
and try to make as many events as possible to show our support for the Vipers, Ohio members, SRT and Dodge.

This will be an election year for Ohio VOA board members,
so I need to know if we have any interested persons to run for the positions in the club.
I would also like for the members to email
tboss97viper@hotmail.com or text me (419-722-0086) personally
to let me know if they are interested in me personally running for the position of President again."
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July 3, 2014 - Email blast sent to Ohio Region Members:

WWHITE82@aol.com To WWHITE82@aol.com

"VOAOHIO ~ CLUB OFFICERS ELECTION IN SEPTEMBER, 2014 ~ PLEASE READ!

Ohio VOA'S 2015/2016
Officer Elections
will be held in September, 2014.

If you are interested in being a candidate
for the any of the Ohio VOA Officer positions,
you may do so by emailing......

Janey White,
Secretary/Treasurer
Ohio VOA
wwhite82@aol.com
330-219-6325

Emails must contain which Officer position you are interested in being a candidate for and must be received no later than
11:59 PM on Tuesday ~ July 15, 2014.


Terry Bosserman,
President,
Ohio VOA
tboss97viper@hotmail.com

Bob Bierman,
Vice President
Ohio VOA
weilandfrk@hotmail.com

Janey White,
Secretary/Treasurer
Ohio VOA
wwhite82@aol.com "

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July 9th, 2014 - Excerpt from the VOA Ohio Region Newsletter "HISSSS NEWS"

"OHIO VOA'S 2014
OFFICERS ELECTIONS

SEPTEMBER, 2014......

Ohio VOA'S 2015/2016
Officer Elections
will be held in September, 2014.


If you are interested in being a candidate
for the any of the Ohio VOA Officer positions,
you may do so by emailing......


Janey White,
Secretary/Treasurer
Ohio VOA
wwhite82@aol.com
330-219-6325


Emails must contain which Officer position you are interested in being a candidate for and must be received no later than
11:59 PM on Tuesday ~ July 15, 2014.



Terry Bosserman,
President,
Ohio VOA
tboss97viper@hotmail.com


Bob Bierman,
Vice President
Ohio VOA
weilandfrk@hotmail.com


Janey White,
Secretary/Treasurer
Ohio VOA
wwhite82@aol.com "

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No members of the Ohio Region contacted the officers above about running for office. So there was no need for the election in September because everyone ran unopposed.

When Bill and Janey resigned it was Terry's responsibility and duty as President of the Club to fill their positions. With the blessing of the other Ohio Region Officers and Directors, Rich and Jenn Kautz are the new Secretary and Treasurer of the Ohio Region. They have been very active in the club for many years and we appreciate them taking the positions. We kind of had to throw Rich and Jenn into the "deep end" on their first day. They have done a FANTASTIC job right out of the gate. It takes many people to run an organization as big as the Ohio VOA. Mike Fargo took over the Membership Director duties when Bill vacated the position.

Here are the Board Members and Directors for the VOA Ohio Region for the next two years / 2015-2016.

I am very honored to be associated with each and every one of these people. Each one of these folks would be a great regional President. I thank them for their dedication to this wonderful club.


VOA Ohio Region Officers and Directors for 2015 & 2016


Terry Bosserman,
President
tboss97viper@hotmail.com
419-424-3224


Bob Bierman,
Vice President
National Media Director VOA
weilandfrk@hotmail.com


Rich Kautz
Secretary
ohiovoa@comcast.net


Jenn Kautz
Treasurer
ohiovoa@comcast.net

Sam Goldfarb
Merchandise Director
guardian1@earthlink.net


Randall Arnold
Fundraising and Charity Director
National Membership Director VOA
daytonprowler@yahoo.com
937-470-8306


Mike Kovalkevich,
Technical Director
kickerxpl4@yahoo.com


Mike Fargo
Membership Director
michael.fargo1967@gmail.com



Tim O'Neil
Racing Director
oneilsdrivethru@gmail.com


Robert Schwarzli
Media Director
moparnerd@yahoo.com


Jason Mattinson
Events Director
jason.mattinson@gmail.com

[Propsail]

:I bet the OP can't wait to join either club.

[ACRucrazy]

:I bet the OP can't wait to join either club.

LOL.
My thoughts exactly.