Twin turbo Gen 5 vs. Street bike

[nastygts]

Would like to know more about the TT Gen5 setup and if he is having any issues with the new setup.

If I remember correctly; my setup is the first car to actually be a "street driven" version.


There's a few gremlins......I'm not going to lie. I should have some answers this week.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Nasty,

I've been street driven now for over 5 months. When did you hit the road? Last year some time?

[nastygts]

Nasty,

I've been street driven now for over 5 months. When did you hit the road? Last year some time?

Let me clarify - 1st semi daily driven street car out of the 3 RSI setup's

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Nasty,

Ahh ok, no worries! Your car is friggen sweet. I know you wanna turn that boost uppppp!!

(Do it! That bottom-end can handle RIDICULOUS power....)

[FLATOUT]

And why I'm looking forward to playing with this thing in the long haul.

Nasty,

Ahh ok, no worries! Your car is friggen sweet. I know you wanna turn that boost uppppp!!

(Do it! That bottom-end can handle RIDICULOUS power....)

[TwinVipers]

Nasty,

Ahh ok, no worries! Your car is friggen sweet. I know you wanna turn that boost uppppp!!

(Do it! That bottom-end can handle RIDICULOUS power....)

How much power? Also, is your tuning secret for sale yet

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Moundir,

I took it up to 11 Lbs on pump gas before I got nervous (there was still zero KR but one only wants to tempt fate so much on a $20K motor).. That's right at 1100 RWHP....

As far as the tuning package that I developed, I am told that it is now tied up in legal. As a side, the EPA has decided to attack/threaten a lot of aftermarket tuning Companies with a vengeance (gotta love Lawyers!!). (which really sucks for the folks on this great site)

[TwinVipers]

Moundir,

I took it up to 11 Lbs on pump gas before I got nervous (there was still zero KR but one only wants to tempt fate so much on a $20K motor).. That's right at 1100 RWHP....

As far as the tuning package that I developed, I am told that it is now tied up in legal. As a side, the EPA has decided to attack/threaten a lot of aftermarket tuning Companies with a vengeance (gotta love Lawyers!!). (which really sucks for the folks on this great site)

Wow, 1100rwhp is insane on a stock engine! What's the problem with legal? Just label it "off road"use only and call it a day lol. You gotta get this out to us owners and future owners!

[nastygts]

Ed-

Have you got any video of the car in action?

agree....1100whp is insane on a stock motor

[VRYALT3R3D]

Wow, 1100rwhp is insane on a stock engine! What's the problem with legal? Just label it "off road"use only and call it a day lol. You gotta get this out to us owners and future owners!

This is probably the reason legal is involved with the MOPAR PCM, because this happened not too long ago. I am sure MOPAR doesn't want this to happen to them.

RE: SCT Off-Road Diesel Programmers

Dear SCT Customer,
We regret to inform you that, effective immediately, SCT will no longer be offering for sale any of the following SCT products:
9625OR
9621OR
3025OR
3067OR
4067OR
4416OR

3416LMMOR
8900OR
4015OR
8967OR
ORTUNE

Our decision to discontinue these products is based on recent statements made by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) regarding diesel performance products intended solely for racing/off-road use. The EPA and CARB have taken the position that the manufacturer of such products is solely responsible for the proper use of those products by the end-user. Despite our best efforts to carefully develop and implement procedures designed to ensure that each purchaser of our off-road/race-only products is aware of his or her legal obligations and promises to use those products in a lawful manner, as of this time we have not been able to gain satisfactory assurance that such measures will be considered adequate by the EPA and CARB. Consequently, we have chosen to withdraw our off-road/race-only products from the marketplace until we are able to verify that the sale of those products can be achieved in a manner that satisfies EPA’s and CARB’s concerns.

We will continue to monitor developments with regard to applicable federal and state legal requirements. If and when we are able to re-introduce these products into the marketplace in a manner that definitively meets all EPA and CARB requirements, we will do so. In the meantime, we trust that you will understand the basis for our decision.


Thank you for your continued support.
Regards,

Rick Trudo, President - SCT Performance, LLC.

[ViperSmith]

open source it

[tiki240]

The liability of end-user usage is pretty rectifiable (in my head) without having to GPS lock-out tunes (see: GTR). Similar to the Hellcat, make every tuning house sign a waiver taking responsibility, and then, each tuning house makes its customer sign a waiver. Perhaps as a sign of good faith, Mopar packages each offroad PCM with a red keyfob (hellcat) that stores GPS data on the blackbox. If both black and red keyfob are inside car, PCM defaults to black key tune. Of course that means tuning the black keyfob tune with EPA regulations. But if we have 1100hp twin turbo pump gas cars, im sure a modest 800ish street horsepower tune with the proper GREEN high-flow cats could be done. Id be surprised if it wasnt already in the works. but paperwork ties EVERYTHING up. How Chevy and Ford manage to get past, Im not sure. Leaking the opensource coding to the public would probably be seen as both undermining the EPA and CARB as well as losing needed profits for Mopar and their sister/brother/parent company. The argument could be made that it would boost Viper sales, but really, its a gamble. and although many potential buyers are out there- a much smaller number than even those willing to buy-in want to buy in solely on tuning ability. 640hp is still a LOT of power to master, and most of the population doesnt live in Atlanta or Houston where most of the UGR cars end up. If Fiat wants to sell Vipers, fix the customer service and dealership problems combined with a reserved HP bump to just nudge out the Hellcat. Vert/Targa options in 2015, ACR (sales pending) in 2016.