caap close another 2 weeks since the 4th wekend

[Policy Limits]

Oh yeah. They need a street legal version of that stat. It's an airplane.

[Austin]

They showed us the ACR already...I hope.

We only wish.

[Nine Ball]

I would try my hardest to buy a street version of the GT3-R, no doubt. In that exact color combo.

I wonder how many complaining and predicting the disappearance of the car are going to buy a Vert or ACR

I would wager very, very few.

Such vocal non customers.

Don't be silly. It costs nothing to complain! These guys just want to drive the prices down on the current cars, so by the time they buy them third-hand, they'll be affordable.

[Austin]

This is one douchey comment. I've been around the Viper forums for over 10 years and have always supported the Viper. Granted, I may not like every choice they've made, but neither has everyone else. Not only have I supported the Viper, but I've contributed to the forums a great deal. You can bet your fucking ass Im going to give my opinion, whether I can afford one at the moment or not. Trust me, if I could afford a GEN V, I would be all over one TODAY. So, sit back and get ready for my opinions, ass.

and yet a post just a couple up says the problem is the high price... Seriously folks, if you don't have one, stop complaining about everything and just go get one. If you can't afford it, then you are not a customer anyways so your opinions are, well, meaningless.

The Only real valid excuses people have for not getting are:
1) financial - can't afford one even in the 80-100k range
2) desire a convertible
3) desire an ACR
4) don't like the looks
5) can't mod it? (I guess, but that group must be on a gen3 or older)

[Policy Limits]

Here's an idea (strike it if its silly): why not have group purchases to get better deals? The advantage to the dealer is to move unsold inventory, collect dealer hold back, make a reasonable profit and to eliminate floor plan interest/exposure. The advantage to the group buyer would be to buy less than MSRP and at or near invoice (or perhaps lower depending on the circumstances). Just a thought. I know of ten guys who threw in 100k each to buy a million dollar vacation spot & they rotate usage and never have to pay for a vacation again. If it works for real estate, why not cars?

Just a thought.

[HobokenViper]

Here's an idea (strike it if its silly): why not have group purchases to get better deals? The advantage to the dealer is to move unsold inventory, collect dealer hold back, make a reasonable profit and to eliminate floor plan interest/exposure. The advantage to the group buyer would be to buy less than MSRP and at or near invoice (or perhaps lower depending on the circumstances). Just a thought. I know of ten guys who threw in 100k each to buy a million dollar vacation spot & they rotate usage and never have to pay for a vacation again. If it works for real estate, why not cars?

Just a thought.

Doesn't work for cars because of a thing called car insurance. I don't believe you can have a car registered or insured under several different people all residing at different addresses. Just doesn't work that way, and if someone did it under their own name while sharing with a group "illegally", it would open up lots of major liabilities if someone else crashed it or even got a ticket in the car.

[ACRucrazy]

Somebody do something quick!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Viper-...US_Cars_Trucks

Still there, for 103,550

[Policy Limits]

Doesn't work for cars because of a thing called car insurance. I don't believe you can have a car registered or insured under several different people all residing at different addresses. Just doesn't work that way, and if someone did it under their own name while sharing with a group "illegally", it would open up lots of major liabilities if someone else crashed it or even got a ticket in the car.

To clarify, the buyers would all purchase their own vehicles to be titled in their own respective name exclusively. But buy in bulk similtaneously so as to get a better price. Perhaps the real estate analogy wasn't on point.

[Nine Ball]

I would like to participate in a McLaren P1 buy-in, but the car has to be stored at my house. The other 99 buyers would need to come for conjugal visits. Deal!

[Dman]

Still there, for 103,550

"Winning bid" says $73k, that can't possibly be right. Right?! No way that happened.

[ViperSmith]

I would like to participate in a McLaren P1 buy-in, but the car has to be stored at my house. The other 99 buyers would need to come for conjugal visits. Deal!

I am going to go whine on mclaren life for two years because the P1 is too expensive, IMHO.

[Policy Limits]

Now THAT, Harold, is funny as hell!!!

[Fatboy 18]

If you ordered a 14 SRT Viper, will it now come branded as a Dodge?

[Ginja]

I am going to go whine on mclaren life for two years because the P1 is too expensive, IMHO.

I live near the Goodwood circuit in the UK and have seen P1's on the road here and to my eyes they look pretty silly. Definitely not got the presence or character of the original F1. But that's just my opinion and I'm a rare breed here, preferring my American muscle over the more traditional, over priced, over complicated European fare.

[Policy Limits]

If $ were no object I'd get an Agera, Pagani, 918, Aventador & Laferrari. Not big on Veyron and I know the pricetag. The best American are Saleen S7, Ford GT, Viper, Falcon. Spyker is Big Bang for the buck. The new Wraith has the best craftsmanship I've ever seen in a vehicle. The P1 is wild. 650s is too. I want them all.

[05Commemorative]

did you read just one line of the post and get upset? Seriously, lets say you build and sell a product. Do you really care about the opinions of those that can't afford your product? Should you? (you probably care most, if not completely about those that can afford and are in the market for it)

Should I go on the Bugatti Veyron forums (if they even exist) and comment on how they are priced too high are wish they had better leather or .... when I know I can't afford one? Should I go on the Vette Forums slamming the C7 when I know I will never buy one? Sure, I guess I can have opinions on anything and share them too, but think important to keep in perspective the value of those opinions. Share away.

This is one douchey comment. I've been around the Viper forums for over 10 years and have always supported the Viper. Granted, I may not like every choice they've made, but neither has everyone else. Not only have I supported the Viper, but I've contributed to the forums a great deal. You can bet your fucking ass Im going to give my opinion, whether I can afford one at the moment or not. Trust me, if I could afford a GEN V, I would be all over one TODAY. So, sit back and get ready for my opinions, ass.

[Austin]

Nope. I read the whole thing. My point is, I do not care if SRT listens to my opinions or not, I have opinions to share and will do so, as I'm no n00b here to the forums, nor the Viper. If we were strictly going by the people who actually own one on here at the moment, it'd just be a handful of you in a circle-jerk. Someone has to break that shit up. So, with that said, I will be working my ass off to get a GEN V, but in the meantime I have opinions to share.

did you read just one line of the post and get upset? Seriously, lets say you build and sell a product. Do you really care about the opinions of those that can't afford your product? Should you? (you probably care most, if not completely about those that can afford and are in the market for it)

Should I go on the Bugatti Veyron forums (if they even exist) and comment on how they are priced too high are wish they had better leather or .... when I know I can't afford one? Should I go on the Vette Forums slamming the C7 when I know I will never buy one? Sure, I guess I can have opinions on anything and share them too, but think important to keep in perspective the value of those opinions. Share away.

[HobokenViper]

Nope. I read the whole thing. My point is, I do not care if SRT listens to my opinions or not, I have opinions to share and will do so, as I'm no n00b here to the forums, nor the Viper. If we were strictly going by the people who actually own one on here at the moment, it'd just be a handful of you in a circle-jerk. Someone has to break that shit up. So, with that said, I will be working my ass off to get a GEN V, but in the meantime I have opinions to share.

Austin, no need to get so angry or confrontational here. Of course everyone's opinions count, but I know what he means with what he is saying, and maybe you misunderstood and took it too personally. While it's great to hear everyone's opinions, there are too many trolls that go to any forum site and look to shake things up and stir the pot. Aside from that, there are also people who are fans of the Viper, but have never owned one, and may or may not ever be able to buy one in the future. While it's great to hear from those people, the opinions that matter the most are from actual owners who have actually driven the car giving their honest take on their feelings and reviews of it, and what they might want it to have if it's missing something. This is just my take on what he is saying.....

And you mentioned that if only the owners were the ones posting, it would be a bunch of guys just patting each other on the back and boasting about themselves and their cars, but I don't think that's the case at all. I've seen lots of positive and some negative feedback in every Gen forum on here from actual owners with tons of helpful advice from actual owners, and I don't see how "breaking that sh-t up" from someone who supports the Viper but doesn't own the gen he is giving strong opinions on accomplishes anything at all?

Just chill man, and I look forward to seeing pics of your Gen 5 one day when you finally get one.

On another note, I really thought things were picking up in sales of the Viper this year...? Guess I heard wrong. Hope things turn around soon because it's sad to see what I consider to be the greatest Viper yet have such poor sales success and would hate for this to be the last Viper Generation produced.....I would have one in my garage now as well if it wasn't for buying a house last year, and just having a new baby boy last week. Hopefully it's still around when I'm able to finally buy one.....

[Utahviper]

Hey captain,

I can afford a new gen5 and your list doesn't include my reason or reasons. Austin is an asset to this community. Could you always afford one? No! You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong. I'm wondering if all the SRT employees could afford one, maybe they should just quit their jobs because their opinion means nothing. This is an open forum, not a closed/private one only for owners or those who can afford it right now.

I goto the lambo forums all the time, I couldn't always afford one and didn't own one. Times have changed. There are many who post on there that can't afford one but they rarely get run off or asked to not post their opinion.

Now, where is that ignore button again.

did you read just one line of the post and get upset? Seriously, lets say you build and sell a product. Do you really care about the opinions of those that can't afford your product? Should you? (you probably care most, if not completely about those that can afford and are in the market for it)

Should I go on the Bugatti Veyron forums (if they even exist) and comment on how they are priced too high are wish they had better leather or .... when I know I can't afford one? Should I go on the Vette Forums slamming the C7 when I know I will never buy one? Sure, I guess I can have opinions on anything and share them too, but think important to keep in perspective the value of those opinions. Share away.

[ViperSmith]

lmao, I do feel for Dodge. You can't please everyone.

Same thing happens for my line of work. "Hey if you add this feature to your software, we'll buy it!" - you add it, they still don't buy it.

Non-customers are annoyingly demanding to be pleased.

[Austin]

Im chill. And trust me, I totally understand and agree with his point to a certain extent, but the Viper forums tend to push people away if you dont own a Viper. Lots of members (not all) seem to think that if you're not an an owner or never have been, that somehow you're less of an asset to the community. I personally do not agree with that and feel the need to stick up for myself and others who do not currently own a Viper. Im not a troll and am here for the same reasons everyone else is; because I am a huge Viper guy, and car guy in general. I've had lots of people knock me over the years because I dont own a Viper, well that shit gets annoying, especially when I've done more for the forums/community than they probably have. Anyway, there is my rant.

Austin, no need to get so angry or confrontational here. Of course everyone's opinions count, but I know what he means with what he is saying, and maybe you misunderstood and took it too personally. While it's great to hear everyone's opinions, there are too many trolls that go to any forum site and look to shake things up and stir the pot. Aside from that, there are also people who are fans of the Viper, but have never owned one, and may or may not ever be able to buy one in the future. While it's great to hear from those people, the opinions that matter the most are from actual owners who have actually driven the car giving their honest take on their feelings and reviews of it, and what they might want it to have if it's missing something. This is just my take on what he is saying.....

And you mentioned that if only the owners were the ones posting, it would be a bunch of guys just patting each other on the back and boasting about themselves and their cars, but I don't think that's the case at all. I've seen lots of positive and some negative feedback in every Gen forum on here from actual owners with tons of helpful advice from actual owners, and I don't see how "breaking that sh-t up" from someone who supports the Viper but doesn't own the gen he is giving strong opinions on accomplishes anything at all?

Just chill man, and I look forward to seeing pics of your Gen 5 one day when you finally get one.

On another note, I really thought things were picking up in sales of the Viper this year...? Guess I heard wrong. Hope things turn around soon because it's sad to see what I consider to be the greatest Viper yet have such poor sales success and would hate for this to be the last Viper Generation produced.....I would have one in my garage now as well if it wasn't for buying a house last year, and just having a new baby boy last week. Hopefully it's still around when I'm able to finally buy one.....

[05Commemorative]

You don't appear to be reading the sentiment of this. The point was to put in perspective and Hoboken describes it well. If you can afford and have a different reason, then just share it. That is valuable information and that was my point. If you have driven one and seen in person, then even more valuable. Please share.

Hey captain,

I can afford a new gen5 and your list doesn't include my reason or reasons. Austin is an asset to this community. Could you always afford one? No! You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong. I'm wondering if all the SRT employees could afford one, maybe they should just quit their jobs because their opinion means nothing. This is an open forum, not a closed/private one only for owners or those who can afford it right now.

I goto the lambo forums all the time, I couldn't always afford one and didn't own one. Times have changed. There are many who post on there that can't afford one but they rarely get run off or asked to not post their opinion.

Now, where is that ignore button again.

[Austin]

Thanks for the backup. You know, its funny, Im also very much into Lambos, and know quite a bit about them and have been on the Lambo forums for years. NOT ONCE has anyone from those forums ever tried to silence me on my opinions because I do not own a Lambo.

Hey captain,

I can afford a new gen5 and your list doesn't include my reason or reasons. Austin is an asset to this community. Could you always afford one? No! You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong. I'm wondering if all the SRT employees could afford one, maybe they should just quit their jobs because their opinion means nothing. This is an open forum, not a closed/private one only for owners or those who can afford it right now.

I goto the lambo forums all the time, I couldn't always afford one and didn't own one. Times have changed. There are many who post on there that can't afford one but they rarely get run off or asked to not post their opinion.

Now, where is that ignore button again.

[Coloviper]

Reality is everyone's opinion counts for something. EVERYONE is a prospective buyer at some point whether they can afford one at the moment or not.

The individual who owns one now, their opinion is valid as it is real world feedback but he has already bought the car so is it anymore valid for future product development and offering than someone who does own one right now but is looking at it and considering it. I don't think it is. He/she may not afford one this year but circumstances change and they can just afford one next year. You can not count out or dismiss only the diehards.

The individual who can not afford one now, their opinion is valid as it is what they would like to see to consider the car in the future but the real world feedback from actual owners is valid as it educates that person on why then should consider the history and why it was never offered with an automatic, this or that. That is a very important process as we are welcoming new people into the Viper family and they should be educated on the Viper, it's history, etc. not just the latest car.

Reality is you need both! Biggest mistake we can make as a Viper community is chase away new people, new owners and new potential owners with this kind of pointless argument. No need for hostility in responses and no need for childish "silver spooner, trust fund" only if you can afford it" type of comments as it drives away people from the community. Your both in the wrong. We are all in the wrong as should not even be posting this response.

The Viper owner community is at a major cross roads these days and we need to realize what we want for a community as well as how we are viewed in the short years to come. Many of the ole faithful owners from the beginning have moved on, aged or even died to where they are not part of the Viper community anymore, except in spirit. We ALL need to pitch in and unite as to what we want our community to be, what owner and potential owners feel it should be and then work hard to make it a fun place for all no mater if you want to go for coffee and just talk about the history races and how Viper dominated the world for a while or if you are out there dominating it now in your Viper.

Honestly it is up to us! The Ford GT crowd did not create that nirvana and appreciation of the cars/prices overnight. It was a concerted effort. Really if we were a strong Viper Nation and that first article came out trashing the Viper in Motor Trend, we would have all stood behind the Viper and said, it was a development car so it was piss poor unprofessional and sensational over drama reporting by Motor Trend to event report it as they did. They could have caulked it up to a car they knew was not vetted and reported the results but then made sure it was presented in a way that people knew the real car when out would be better but they didn't. Hope they are happy as it may kill the new car. If we were a strong nation, we would have dismissed that and been done with it but we got into these little tiffs and here we are.

I would hope we could stop the Negative Nancy stuff and just enjoy what we have. It is okay to report what you want and would like to see regardless of what you own. It is not okay to create this I am better and have more money than you talk as it does not promote our car nor our club. I am kind of tired of the entitlement comments. They are BS. It is a free country after all. ALL created equal.

[Policy Limits]

I can only imagine the would be owners who went to viper forums saw the hatred and then changed their mind about buying one. I've been through lots of brands and never encountered anything quite like it. If anything the McLaren guys who paid 300k for a car full of bugs that's now worth 180k should feel pretty hosed. I've complained on Maserati Life about some issues with my Granturismo but it doesn't lead to evil condemnation of the brand. Not saying folks on here have done such to the snake but the other forums are loaded with negativity.

I couldn't always afford a viper. I've wanted one since the debut 1/4 century ago. Now that its in my garage the pros definitely outweigh the cons. Opinions from all folks owners or not should be welcomed. I was an enthusiast for much longer than I was an owner. Having said that, owning or at least driving and binding with the car to learn its personality goes a long way in giving your opinion credibility.