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[mikesax]

EXTREMELY well put ViperSmith- how many would actually buy it if it got ...-some but not all-and probably a very small percentage at that! People just love to bitch!! IMO the car ROCKS just he way it is-I love most of the opinions I read from owners and enthusiasts-I just hate the complaining about what the car isn't!! NOTHING is perfect- in my business the customers have changed so much in the last 5 years!! People in general ENJOY looking for "imperfections' for lack of a better word-they can't seem to help themselves! The internet has given INTENSE amounts of information and MISINFORMATION to the masses-every one is an expert and a critic!! People in general should just try to "enjoy the ride"-life is waaay to short to dwell on PERCIEVED negatives!! ENJOY THE POSITIVES- there are many!!

[HobokenViper]

Im chill. And trust me, I totally understand and agree with his point to a certain extent, but the Viper forums tend to push people away if you dont own a Viper. Lots of members (not all) seem to think that if you're not an an owner or never have been, that somehow you're less of an asset to the community. I personally do not agree with that and feel the need to stick up for myself and others who do not currently own a Viper. Im not a troll and am here for the same reasons everyone else is; because I am a huge Viper guy, and car guy in general. I've had lots of people knock me over the years because I dont own a Viper, well that shit gets annoying, especially when I've done more for the forums/community than they probably have. Anyway, there is my rant.

For the record, I agree with you. I've seen lots of great posts from you in my time here. You definitely contribute more to the site than many of the owners on this forum, and hopefully you will be an owner one day soon as well. There's no better way to support the Viper than to own one right??? Nobody should tell you that your opinions don't count just because you don't currently own one. There's a big difference between someone like you, and a non-owner who is a troll just looking to come on here and stir up trouble or bash the Viper. I think a lot of the owners on here just put all enthusiasts into the latter category unfortunately.

Hell, it took me 20 years to get my Viper from the first time I first saw one in 1992 at my local Dodge dealer when I was just 12 years old. I just never had the balls to join the Viper sites until I actually bought mine a couple years back, but reading through all the good threads gave me all the knowledge I needed to find the best one I could. Plenty of the posts that I found useful information on the old VCA site came from enthusiasts who did not currently own a Viper, but the honest reviews from actual owners also gave me the valuable insight of which model and year was right for me.

[Bruce H.]

My personal experience as a non-owner in 2013 was that Viper forum members/owners are very welcoming, and seem to be of all who are here to learn and/or contribute positively. I asked lots of questions in order to make my purchase decision and received very helpful responses. I quickly learned to ignore certain posters that added nothing with their negativity, none of which owned a Gen V coincidentally. As a new owner I continue to ignore that type of poster, but help all others where I can with factual information and experience-based opinion.

[05Commemorative]

nobody said don't share your opinions if you don't own a car. Never was said by me and apologize if how interpreted. What was said is put your opinions in perspective and have context on their value.

Take is seriously. If you were going to purchase a product and really wanted insight on what to get (as Bruce was/did), you would want to here from the experts on the topic. You would then want to experience yourself. You might then read some magazine articles (which is unfortunate), but if you were gathering data from those that have no experience with it, that would be problematic, right? If you had two buddies and one read a magazine article and the other owned the car, who's opinion would you value?

Don't get me wrong, love folks with passion and desire to get the car at some point. Love those that contribute in useful unique ways (Austin, you helped me determine the color combo I wanted with your images which was super helpful). But I bristle when some posters pop-off on what they think should happen purely from a non-experience way and have no accountability and then get upset when challenged. They do a disservice to others doing real research.

I will give the best example I can. "If the car had 700hp, it would sell like crazy!" It gets listed like it is a fact. Then ask those same people if they have driven the car with a wimpy 640 hp, new gearing, loss of a couple hundred lbs, etc. "Well, no but that is my opinion" Ok, then if it had 700hp, would you be in position to buy today? "Well, no" Definitely an example of an opinion. Did it help anyone?

[Austin]

Glad I could help. Again, I totally understand and appreciate your point of view. Maybe I did interpret it incorrectly. I just know that over the years Ive caught a lot of flack for being on here, voicing my opinions and not owning a Viper. Not because I dont like the car, but because funds didnt allow at the time. I wasnt trying to stir an argument, just wanted to give an insight coming from someone who truly loves the Viper (and cars in general), but cant be on the level that some of you are Viper wise.

Now, on to your point of how some say "700hp will sell the car". SRT/Dodge isnt on here personally asking for ANY of our opinions. Now, they may check the forums here and there, but no one is coming here asking us to tell them what it is exactly that we believe would make the car fly out of dealerships. And even if they were, they most likely wouldnt do half the things we suggest anyway. So in reality, do ANY of our opinions, whether we've purchased a car or not really matter in the grand scheme of things? Some may say yes, I lean towards no. Kind of like voting for a President. Just my opinion of course. All I know is, the Viper is in my blood whether I ever own one or not.

nobody said don't share your opinions if you don't own a car. Never was said by me and apologize if how interpreted. What was said is put your opinions in perspective and have context on their value.

Take is seriously. If you were going to purchase a product and really wanted insight on what to get (as Bruce was/did), you would want to here from the experts on the topic. You would then want to experience yourself. You might then read some magazine articles (which is unfortunate), but if you were gathering data from those that have no experience with it, that would be problematic, right? If you had two buddies and one read a magazine article and the other owned the car, who's opinion would you value?

Don't get me wrong, love folks with passion and desire to get the car at some point. Love those that contribute in useful unique ways (Austin, you helped me determine the color combo I wanted with your images which was super helpful). But I bristle when some posters pop-off on what they think should happen purely from a non-experience way and have no accountability and then get upset when challenged. They do a disservice to others doing real research.

I will give the best example I can. "If the car had 700hp, it would sell like crazy!" It gets listed like it is a fact. Then ask those same people if they have driven the car with a wimpy 640 hp, new gearing, loss of a couple hundred lbs, etc. "Well, no but that is my opinion" Ok, then if it had 700hp, would you be in position to buy today? "Well, no" Definitely an example of an opinion. Did it help anyone?