Classifed Ad Restriction

[Granger73]

Just looked for the club bylaws and can't seem to find them. As a result i can't verify this, but If I recall correctly the founders chose to follow the Robert's rules of order. If so, there is a specific procedure for email voting.

http://ualr.edu/jdberleant/papers/email-meetings.html

[whitebeard]

I mean, what kind of normal, average person would want the added job of herding rich Viper owning cats? LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8

[Janni]

There is no documented process for email voting, but it certainly can be done. The bylaws are posted under "The Club"

The voting members of the BoD are the 4 National Officers and the regional Presidents. It would not cover the general membership voting via email.

We will consider having the BoD vote on this during the next call.

[Granger73]

I'm unable to access the bylaws using "The Club" option.

[VYPR BYT]

I'm unable to access the bylaws using "The Club" option.

It worked fine for me. I'm using Google Chrome.
Try another browser or device in case you're using your phone.
It loads a pdf reader window from which you can actually download the 23 page file if you wanted.

[City]

I'm unable to access the bylaws using "The Club" option.

Not sure what you want to research, but there is a section that specifically causes the VOA to use Robert's Rules for Board Meetings. No language beyond that.

[Granger73]

Using iPad doesn't come up. Just tried desktop works OK. It used to come up on iPad but not now for some reason.

[ViperTony]

Tony, I'm sorry about your burning sensation... but... TMI... babe... TMI...

Oh, then I won't get into the other burning sensations I'm experiencing. Burning sensation to walk out into traffic after reading this thread in it's entirety.

[Nine Ball]

You guys/gals are making this far more complicated than it needs to be. What member would ever vote to limit themselves to 3 ads total? That number doesn't even make sense. I've already posted the simple solution, which many forums already use.

[IndyRon]

You guys/gals are making this far more complicated than it needs to be. What member would ever vote to limit themselves to 3 ads total? That number doesn't even make sense. I've already posted the simple solution, which many forums already use.

Exactly, more power in the hands of the paying members. I was actually toying with the idea of becoming a vendor even though I don't have anything to sell currently just for the additional freedoms it provides. That isn't good. If we each didn't pay 100+ to be a member, then I can totally see the board or admins making unilateral decisions regarding this. The only challenge in my mind is how to determine which issues are vote requiring issues.

[City]

You guys/gals are making this far more complicated than it needs to be. What member would ever vote to limit themselves to 3 ads total? That number doesn't even make sense. I've already posted the simple solution, which many forums already use.

For the record, the rule is three ads at the same time, not a limit of 3 ads total. As I mentioned, of our 1739 VOA members (1,751 forum registrants), this rule effects a total of 3. And that number has remained the same for over 3 weeks.

[ACRucrazy]

For the record, the rule is three ads at the same time, not a limit of 3 ads total. As I mentioned, of our 1739 VOA members (1,751 forum registrants), this rule effects a total of 3. And that number has remained the same for over 3 weeks.

<sarcasm> Totally a valuable rule to have </sarcasm>

[City]

<sarcasm> Totally a valuable rule to have </sarcasm>

I'm unclear as to your opinion. Is your sarcasm suggesting that the rule is unnecessary because it affects so few? If so, then why waste so much effort in this thread of anguish other than your being one of the 3 with more than 3 ads at present? Again, IF so, then this is a rather perfect rule in that it will appease many while affecting few; surgical in nature. I must be misunderstanding.

[ACRucrazy]

I must be misunderstanding.

You are.

[City]

You are.

Well we certainly appreciate your helpful nature here ACRucrazy. </sarcasm>

[Bugman Jeff]

Again, IF so, then this is a rather perfect rule in that it will appease many while affecting few; surgical in nature.

Who are the many it is appeasing? Except for a paid sponsor(who, as a paying sponsor, has every right to want classifieds limited), it seems that most people who've joined in this discussion don't favor a 3 post rule.

[Granger73]

As I mentioned, of our 1739 VOA members (1,751 forum registrants), this rule effects a total of 3. And that number has remained the same for over 3 weeks.

It really affects more than 3. It affects the "VAST MAJORITY" who oppose this restriction. To look at it from your perspective, this rule penalizes a total of 3 people. The majority has spoken and they oppose this rule.

[Mr. Bill]

No. Edited version below.



It really shouldn't be this difficult. Simple.

Paid membership = unlimited ads
Guest members = zero ads
Business related = cough up the sponsorship dollars

I agree......pretty simple solution that makes perfect sense.

[City]

It really shouldn't be this difficult. Simple.

Paid membership = unlimited ads
Guest members = zero ads
Business related = cough up the sponsorship dollars

I agree......pretty simple solution that makes perfect sense.

I think this is an excellent baseline that's pretty much what we're doing, with the exception of the guest member exclusion; which I think is a great addition. But no one is focusing on the enforcement, which to a great extent, falls to the moderators. BTW- We mods certainly influence these rules, but we don't create them.

Regardless, it's our enforcement of these rules that is problematic. In this case, please comment on how we are to make a determination between "Paid Membership" and "Business Related". THAT is how this all began.

[XSnake]

Regardless, it's our enforcement of these rules that is problematic. In this case, please comment on how we are to make a determination between "Paid Membership" and "Business Related". THAT is how this all began.

This I believe is the key issue. It is pretty obvious when people are parting out multiple cars continuously. I'm sure you guys could also add a "Why am I selling" field to classifieds listings. This is a common question that buyers would ask a seller anyways. A PM to the seller by a mod could also work getting an explanation.

Also, when people come on the site and start a thread trying to sell the forum members something they need to get a PM from a mod with an explanation of site rules. There is a thread currently on the site where a member is openly making and selling parts for profit. That member should be required to be a sponsor.

[ACRucrazy]

This I believe is the key issue. It is pretty obvious when people are parting out multiple cars continuously. I'm sure you guys could also add a "Why am I selling" field to classifieds listings. This is a common question that buyers would ask a seller anyways. A PM to the seller by a mod could also work getting an explanation.

Also, when people come on the site and start a thread trying to sell the forum members something they need to get a PM from a mod with an explanation of site rules. There is a thread currently on the site where a member is openly making and selling parts for profit. That member should be required to be a sponsor.

What is www.flatoutmotorsports.us in your sig? Is that your company?

[XSnake]

What is www.flatoutmotorsports.us in your sig? Is that your company?

It is a DE group. If it's ruled that that link needs to come out of my sig, I'm not gonna cry and start a thread over it.

[ACRucrazy]

It is a DE group. If it's ruled that that link needs to come out of my sig, I'm not gonna cry and start a thread over it.

Just curious where the sponsorship thing starts and stops. You know, being a link to a non sponsor site in a regional VPs sig and all.

[ViperTony]

Links in signatures are tearing this board apart!

[plumcrazy]

the ones that i wanna know how to deal with are the bi-zenon headlight guys of the site. sure seems to be selling enough to be a sponsor but said hes not. how do we deal with those types of guys that are viper owners and members ?

EDIT: scratch that.. hes not even a VOA member http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...he-Gen-2-Viper