[PICS] Gen V intake on my Gen IV ACR [PICS]

[IndyRon]

I have the Mopar PCM installed a couple of years ago, so I should be good without messing with it?

Yep, you are golden. Nice work on the Radium can. Make sure you check the lines at idle to be sure they aren't collapsing under vacuum.

[FrgMstr]

[FLATOUT]

Haha ^^^^^^^^^

Damn this thread has over 20k views.

[drviperdds]

The legend goes that after 4 25 mile driving sessions the Mopar PCM should set up to get the best power out of your modification.

Looks like I'm gonna have to do some more driving then!

[drviperdds]

Yep, you are golden. Nice work on the Radium can. Make sure you check the lines at idle to be sure they aren't collapsing under vacuum.

Thanks Ron, I was thinking about adding a spring around the hose where it makes a 90 degree bend under the manifold so that it won't have the possibility of kinking over a period of time.

[FrgMstr]

Thanks Ron, I was thinking about adding a spring around the hose where it makes a 90 degree bend under the manifold so that it won't have the possibility of kinking over a period of time.

So you did not buy the new hose that comes off the bottom that is made for the bend? If not I would surely pay attention to that bend.

[drviperdds]

So you did not buy the new hose that comes off the bottom that is made for the bend? If not I would surely pay attention to that bend.

I didn't have the factory hose during the install so I use a universal 5/8 ID tube instead.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

So you did not buy the new hose that comes off the bottom that is made for the bend? If not I would surely pay attention to that bend.

Does anyone have a source or P/N for this hose? Thanks!

[IndyRon]

Does anyone have a source or P/N for this hose? Thanks!

I didn't record the part number, but if I remember correctly it was around $20 and I had to cut mine to length. I just went to the dealership and had them pull up a parts diagram for a '13 car and pointed it out.

[FrgMstr]

Does anyone have a source or P/N for this hose? Thanks!

That hose is cheap ($12?) if I remember correctly, then you need to cut it off and mate the fitting out of the valve cover into it and clamp/ziptie it. Alternatively, just head down to Home Depot and get a hose barb fitting with a 90 degree elbow so you are not fighting a collapse in the radius of that tight turn.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

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From what I can tell on a Gen IV the compression limiters only serve the purpose of bolt alignment, and they don't do a great job at that. I was thinking about machining up a part as shown that would replace the OEM part to serve the following purpose:

- More precise bolt alignment (OEM is sloppy)
- Distribute weight across the top surface to reduce potential compression of composite

For those who have installed these, would this have made the installation easier or should I just cut the OEM limiters, get washers to distribute the load and call it a day?

[ACRucrazy]

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From what I can tell on a Gen IV the compression limiters only serve the purpose of bolt alignment, and they don't do a great job at that. I was thinking about machining up a part as shown that would replace the OEM part to serve the following purpose:

- More precise bolt alignment (OEM is sloppy)
- Distribute weight across the top surface to reduce potential compression of composite

For those who have installed these, would this have made the installation easier or should I just cut the OEM limiters, get washers to distribute the load and call it a day?

Sounds like a great idea!

[IndyRon]

Bolt Locator.jpg

From what I can tell on a Gen IV the compression limiters only serve the purpose of bolt alignment, and they don't do a great job at that. I was thinking about machining up a part as shown that would replace the OEM part to serve the following purpose:

- More precise bolt alignment (OEM is sloppy)
- Distribute weight across the top surface to reduce potential compression of composite

For those who have installed these, would this have made the installation easier or should I just cut the OEM limiters, get washers to distribute the load and call it a day?

Would definitely make it easier, especially if you can make them indexed as a compression limiter.

[Redx]

Bolt Locator.jpg

From what I can tell on a Gen IV the compression limiters only serve the purpose of bolt alignment, and they don't do a great job at that. I was thinking about machining up a part as shown that would replace the OEM part to serve the following purpose:

- More precise bolt alignment (OEM is sloppy)
- Distribute weight across the top surface to reduce potential compression of composite

For those who have installed these, would this have made the installation easier or should I just cut the OEM limiters, get washers to distribute the load and call it a day?

Any update on these? may be pulling the trigger on a Gen v intake soon!

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Any update on these? may be pulling the trigger on a Gen v intake soon!

Yes, I'm trying to decide if I want to do them. Further analysis revealed that the manifold is not very accurate, it also has a raised section that accepts the screw head. The good news is that the raised section could locate this piece, preventing it from turning, and a compression limiter as shown might be possible. The bad news is that the manifold has +/- 0.030" of error along the weld, basically the bottom aligning with the top.

The other bad news is that depending on quantity, 20 of these will cost $250 - $450 per manifold. I'm not really sure if it is worth it, if they will work, if anyone would buy them.... So I'm trying to decide what I want to do while triple checking my measurements.

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[IndyRon]

Yes, I'm trying to decide if I want to do them. Further analysis revealed that the manifold is not very accurate, it also has a raised section that accepts the screw head. The good news is that the raised section could locate this piece, preventing it from turning, and a compression limiter as shown might be possible. The bad news is that the manifold has +/- 0.030" of error along the weld, basically the bottom aligning with the top.

The other bad news is that depending on quantity, 20 of these will cost $250 - $450 per manifold. I'm not really sure if it is worth it, if they will work, if anyone would buy them.... So I'm trying to decide what I want to do while triple checking my measurements.

Bolt Locator - Compression Limiter.jpg

For that price, I don't think you would be able to make it worthwhile. They would have to be less than $100.

[FrgMstr]

It only took a few hours to hand fit mine with the bevel on the edge. I know that is not for everyone....

[SSGNRDZ_28]

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OK guys, I decided to pull the trigger on 2 sets of these. I simplified the design some to reduce the manufacturing cost. I also added flats so that the limiter could be aligned with a 15mm wrench as required. If they work and there is interest they will be between ~$95 and $135 (for a set of 20, black type III anodized), depending on how much interest I have in them.

[Chorps]

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OK guys, I decided to pull the trigger on 2 sets of these. I simplified the design some to reduce the manufacturing cost. I also added flats so that the limiter could be aligned with a 15mm wrench as required. If they work and there is interest they will be between ~$95 and $135 (for a set of 20, black type III anodized), depending on how much interest I have in them.

I'd be interested at that price.

[Redx]

I'd be interested at that price.

Same here as well!

[IndyRon]

Doug, great idea at a fair price. One question though, did you check the depth on all the intake bolt holes to confirm? The reason why I ask, is that when I was measuring mine to cut down, I measured different thicknesses for the mounting flange at different points of the intake.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Doug, great idea at a fair price. One question though, did you check the depth on all the intake bolt holes to confirm? The reason why I ask, is that when I was measuring mine to cut down, I measured different thicknesses for the mounting flange at different points of the intake.

Ron,

Yes, the intake has varied thicknesses across the board. This is something that had me on the fence producing these. Measuring for this (10 times over) was driving me nuts and it was not straight forward. I suppose I figured there is no way I could cut them accurately enough by hand so I might as well take an educated guess at a length and at least I would know what I had.

My thought was to have the limiter be slightly shorter than the shortest manifold "thickness" so it would not interfere and prevent a good seal. I'm thinking the "thicker" areas of the manifold with will compress but only to the length of the limiter worst case. So in theory there is going to be varied compression of the intake manifold around each bolt, but the installation should be consistent and prevent too much compression. I'll know more when the parts arrive next month. I will test fit them and measure the gap in length between the intake manifold and limiter and adjust from there as needed.

[IndyRon]

I agree with your thought process, especially considering mine would allow continued deformity of the manifold if continually torqued to 96 in-lbs. That should work great. The key to basically to keep compression on the rubber o-ring on the intake mating surface. I'd like to talk with you about a set once you finish.

[kclark]

Final Bolt Rendering.jpg

OK guys, I decided to pull the trigger on 2 sets of these. I simplified the design some to reduce the manufacturing cost. I also added flats so that the limiter could be aligned with a 15mm wrench as required. If they work and there is interest they will be between ~$95 and $135 (for a set of 20, black type III anodized), depending on how much interest I have in them.

I'd be interested as well

[SSGNRDZ_28]

The prototypes arrived today. Good news / Bad news.

They fit very nicely around the bolt and are snug in the manifold. The bolt does not wobble around at all as with the OEM version. I Think these will work well for their intended purpose. The flats are nice to have to orient the limiter once it is completely pushed into the hole. The bad news is that I want to tweak some of the measurements of the angle to make it a more perfect fit, so that means more waiting before the install.

Right now it looks like about 5 people are interested, here's the price breakdown. If there is more interest the cost will go down for everyone. Note the final version will be anodized black.

QTY 5: $135 / set
QTY 10: $110 / set
QTY 20: $100 / set