[PICS] Gen V intake on my Gen IV ACR [PICS]

[Shooter]

Is the Newer Mopar PCM needed for the GenV intake installation?

No.

[FrgMstr]

Got it all buttoned up this afternoon. On start up I got the lightning bolt warning on the dash and I pulled a P0108 code.

P0108-MAP SENSOR VOLTAGE TOO HIGH - SRT10

Any suggestions? And yes, I did disconnect the battery at the fuse box during install. And I did the throttle relearn as outlined on VA.

[ACRucrazy]

Did you use your stock MAP sensor or the Gen V one that comes bolted to the manifold?

(I have no idea if they are the same part number, just thinking out loud)

[FrgMstr]

Did you use your stock MAP sensor or the Gen V one that comes bolted to the manifold?

(I have no idea if they are the same part number, just thinking out loud)

I just had a dumbass moment, need to go check something.

Edit: Yeah, all problems went away when I actually completed the job.....like pluggin in that sensor at the rear of the intake. Yeah, Immadumass. Going to go take a ride.

Thanks for rattling my thoughts ACR.

[FrgMstr]

Ran great. Starts up smoother, and is smoother coming back to idle. First gear acceleration seemed stronger, but that may just be wishful thinking. Ran it up through the gears twice out here on "1 mile bridge" where you can do that safely. Pulled awesome. Seat of the pants dyno felt very good.

It threw a CEL about a mile into the 10 mile trip. I came home and tried to get it to read on the dash display, but it ended up clearing itself before I could read it.

Going to let her cool off and go back and retorque all the bolts....

So what is the consensus on mileage and driving habits to get the Mopar PCM to set up? I have heard, smooth driving for 50 miles, and I have heard aggressive driving for 150.......any thoughts??

[FrgMstr]

Did you use your stock MAP sensor or the Gen V one that comes bolted to the manifold?

(I have no idea if they are the same part number, just thinking out loud)

And to answer your question, I used the one that was bolted to the manifold. (For some reason, I did not have that on my checklist when I was buttoning up. Easy to see on that silver colored intake, easy to miss on that black especially when you have the plug end tucked back out of the way.)

[FLATOUT]

I had one cell and it was for raised idle (leak) I resecured all my vacuume lines and retorqued everything and haven't had any problems since.

Glad you got it done!

Ran great. Starts up smoother, and is smoother coming back to idle. First gear acceleration seemed stronger, but that may just be wishful thinking. Ran it up through the gears twice out here on "1 mile bridge" where you can do that safely. Pulled awesome. Seat of the pants dyno felt very good.

It threw a CEL about a mile into the 10 mile trip. I came home and tried to get it to read on the dash display, but it ended up clearing itself before I could read it.

Going to let her cool off and go back and retorque all the bolts....

So what is the consensus on mileage and driving habits to get the Mopar PCM to set up? I have heard, smooth driving for 50 miles, and I have heard aggressive driving for 150.......any thoughts??

[DreadLox]

And to answer your question, I used the one that was bolted to the manifold. (For some reason, I did not have that on my checklist when I was buttoning up. Easy to see on that silver colored intake, easy to miss on that black especially when you have the plug end tucked back out of the way.)

So wait, should you use the Gen 4 or Gen 5 sensor?

[ACRucrazy]

I think they are the same sensor, and if they are not, its 1 phillips screw to swap out.

[FrgMstr]

For the pics or shens crowd!

[FLATOUT]

Looks awesome man I have one of those close out panels on order can't wait to get it.

[DreadLox]

I think they are the same sensor, and if they are not, its 1 phillips screw to swap out.

Ok... Just wanted to make sure.
So I received the Gen V intake manifold today! Thank you ACRucrazy for the great deal! Unfortunately as I said before I won't be able to do the swap until spring. Looking forward to the continued updates from all you guys that have successfully done the swap and how things go long term.... And if it truly matters how the "torque limiters" are cut (I'm assuming no).



FrgMstr, those pics are great! Love it. And off topic.... Do the "close out panels" work with the k&n typhoon kit?

[FrgMstr]

Ok... Just wanted to make sure.
So I received the Gen V intake manifold today! Thank you ACRucrazy for the great deal! Unfortunately as I said before I won't be able to do the swap until spring. Looking forward to the continued updates from all you guys that have successfully done the swap and how things go long term.... And if it truly matters how the "torque limiters" are cut (I'm assuming no).

FrgMstr, those pics are great! Love it. And off topic.... Do the "close out panels" work with the k&n typhoon kit?

After the install, I seriously doubt that cutting the torque limiters at the angle and hand fitting will make any difference. I think it will be interesting to see how they hold up over the long run though.

On the close-out panel, I do not think it would work with a non-stock air box. And from what I have read, there is really no benefit to the K&N kit other than looks. Some have even said it reduces HP/TQ.......The Viper tech at my local dealer told me that there was no reason to put one on and the damn things are expensive to boot!

[FrgMstr]

And let me say big props to FLATOUT for posting his experience up and sharing in such detail. I was just about to send my intake out for PnP and decided to give this a try first. FLATOUT also made himself available by phone which I took advantage of, and I wanted to give him a big THANK YOU for that as well. Great to be part of this community. Now if I can just get a VOA chapter in North Texas.....

[J TNT]

Nice Mod ! Keep us posted on before and after Dyno numbers .

[01sapphirebob]

This thread delivers!!! I love it!

[Rocket]

Great thread. How are the torque limiters cut on the Gen 5? Gotta believe that the engineers put some thought into them and their purpose both long and short term.

[FLATOUT]

And let me say big props to FLATOUT for posting his experience up and sharing in such detail. I was just about to send my intake out for PnP and decided to give this a try first. FLATOUT also made himself available by phone which I took advantage of, and I wanted to give him a big THANK YOU for that as well. Great to be part of this community. Now if I can just get a VOA chapter in North Texas.....

Hey anytime man, I kind of feel like we're all in this together lol. I like seeing guys learn or share their experiences working on the Viper. It's a pretty wrench friendly platform.

[Steve M]

Great thread. How are the torque limiters cut on the Gen 5? Gotta believe that the engineers put some thought into them and their purpose both long and short term.

They aren't cut on the Gen 5...how you see them in the before pics is how they come for that application. On the Gen 5, the heads are machined to accept them.

[DreadLox]

After the install, I seriously doubt that cutting the torque limiters at the angle and hand fitting will make any difference. I think it will be interesting to see how they hold up over the long run though.

On the close-out panel, I do not think it would work with a non-stock air box. And from what I have read, there is really no benefit to the K&N kit other than looks. Some have even said it reduces HP/TQ.......The Viper tech at my local dealer told me that there was no reason to put one on and the damn things are expensive to boot!

Unfortunately I bought into the whole "increase horsepower by 15-20!"... And I've been told they don't necessarily do much... I don't have any proof either way, hopefully the "decreases HP" is not true lol. Well we will see, mine pulled 553whp but was only pulled to 5,250 RPMS...with all the stuff done to it it should be around 600whp now. So I'm going to do before and after pulls to see what we get for the "ported lower Gen IV intake vs Gen V intake"

FrgMstr: do you have a picture showing how you joined the PCV hoses together? I didn't see a oil catch can so was wondering how you joined them up. Thanks

[Dustin]

Keith owns an '06 that I think he converted to a Gen 4, but I'm not sure what exactly he did.

Either way, it's the only reason we might see some actual software...someone with the right skill set and a passion for Vipers decided to do it. I doubt it will be profitable for them, unfortunately.

I let Keith borrow my 08 for R&D and took one for the team.

[TrackAire]

The Gen 5 manifold looks fantastic on a Gen 4 motor.....too bad it doesn't have the same eye appeal on the Gen 5 with all the plastic cladding, etc.
Nice write up on all the different installs...keep them coming.

Cheers,
George

[Steve M]

I let Keith borrow my 08 for R&D and took one for the team.

What was he able to mess with?

[FrgMstr]

FrgMstr: do you have a picture showing how you joined the PCV hoses together? I didn't see a oil catch can so was wondering how you joined them up. Thanks

I am going to do a catch can next. There was oil pooled in my throttle bodies, but not a terrible amount in the old intake itself. But surely something to be addressed. You can make a do it yourself kit pretty easily. I bought all my stuff from Jegs.

The new GenV hose assembly is "needed" to install this new intake. You could put one together yourself, but it is nice how the pre-made hose attaches and snaps in secure to the bottom of the new intake. You pull the old one off at the PCV valve, use the hard tubing portion of that one, and cut the new hose off and simply fit it over hard pipe on the old PCV section. Really simple. I left it to do last, got the hoses and fittings where they would stay, eyeballed it, and cut the new hose with a knife and slipped onto the old fitting and then put a zip tie on it.

GenVManiInstall-5.jpg

[Dustin]

What was he able to mess with?

He had the car for 2 weeks, they were making progress and got all the information that they needed. I sold him my stock computer and last I talked to him they were working on it. Hopefully soon guys.