HPTuners is releasing Beta tuning for the Gen 4s.!!!!!!

[FLATOUT]

I agree it will be a big game changer for the gen 4s , can't wait

Well look who it is

[tt347gt]

Yes sir , this is the 1st forum I ever joined sounds like a bunch of knowledge on this forum and got excited when I heard about HP tuners new release so now let's wait and see , lol I bet the vette guys are talking about this just as much as we are .

[IndyRon]

I have 1 Mopar PCM still on the shelf.

Mark,

This thread reminded me of an issue we ran into here locally concerning the PCM. Can you comment on why the updated Wy-tec systems used to tune this PCM at the dealerships have had the ability of adaptive numerator relearn removed? Our local dealership and many others believe that this is Chrysler's way of preventing the PCM's from being installed on street going vehicles. (There is a disclaimer on the instructions stating offroad only and something about a 30k fine) You supposedly can use the star scan (old) system that is cumbersome and more lengthy and coincidentally is no longer supported by Chrysler corporate. To do the numerator reset on my car, we used a local members old version of Wy-tec that hasn't been updated since 2011 or 2012, which still has this feature via his laptop. All other steps/processes were completed properly through the dealer. The dealerships version has it removed from the software or grayed out and they have I believe a 2014 update or whatever is lastest. Something is fishy.

[TooBlue]

Mark,

This thread reminded me of an issue we ran into here locally concerning the PCM. Can you comment on why the updated Wy-tec systems used to tune this PCM at the dealerships have had the ability of adaptive numerator relearn removed? Our local dealership and many others believe that this is Chrysler's way of preventing the PCM's from being installed on street going vehicles. (There is a disclaimer on the instructions stating offroad only and something about a 30k fine) You supposedly can use the star scan (old) system that is cumbersome and more lengthy and coincidentally is no longer supported by Chrysler corporate. To do the numerator reset on my car, we used a local members old version of Wy-tec that hasn't been updated since 2011 or 2012, which still has this feature via his laptop. All other steps/processes were completed properly through the dealer. The dealerships version has it removed from the software or grayed out and they have I believe a 2014 update or whatever is lastest. Something is fishy.

This complicated procedure pretty much sums up one of the biggest problems we have with modifying our Gen 4s...

We are just trying to custom tune our cars for better performance,.... not build a nuclear bomb....

[SNKEBIT]

We are just trying to custom tune our cars for better performance,.... not build a nuclear bomb....

Well,,,, speaking from experience??? LOL Saw a mushroom cloud from the St. Louie area last year IIRC, or was it the year before.?

[TooBlue]

Well,,,, speaking from experience??? LOL Saw a mushroom cloud from the St. Louie area last year IIRC, or was it the year before.?

Good point....

[Back In Black]

I would like to know exactly what parameters we'll be able to modify besides fuel and spark. Cam-in-cam timing? 02 monitoring? Other sensor parameters? For example, some people can't install simple smooth tubes and/or remove the hood rain deflector without the ECU freaking out. Will we have control over stuff like that?

[mjorgensen]

Mark,

This thread reminded me of an issue we ran into here locally concerning the PCM. Can you comment on why the updated Wy-tec systems used to tune this PCM at the dealerships have had the ability of adaptive numerator relearn removed? Our local dealership and many others believe that this is Chrysler's way of preventing the PCM's from being installed on street going vehicles. (There is a disclaimer on the instructions stating offroad only and something about a 30k fine) You supposedly can use the star scan (old) system that is cumbersome and more lengthy and coincidentally is no longer supported by Chrysler corporate. To do the numerator reset on my car, we used a local members old version of Wy-tec that hasn't been updated since 2011 or 2012, which still has this feature via his laptop. All other steps/processes were completed properly through the dealer. The dealerships version has it removed from the software or grayed out and they have I believe a 2014 update or whatever is lastest. Something is fishy.

The exclusion was overlooked when they did an update, it should be fixed when the PCM is available from what I have heard. As far as the not being installed on road vehicles that should not surprise anyone, because it is an off road PCM and any difficulty doing so would be to protect the manufacturer from any liability in its uses.

I'm sure these are the same concerns they legal side is having with the next gen PCM so wording and procedures have to be just right.

[FLATOUT]

And if SRT was smart enough to just "leak" the code to aftermarket tuners like the two other larger U.S. manufacturers they would just allow them to deal with liability concerns instead of trying to put out a factory supplied unit.

[mjorgensen]

And if SRT was smart enough to just "leak" the code to aftermarket tuners like the two other larger U.S. manufacturers they would just allow them to deal with liability concerns instead of trying to put out a factory supplied unit.

Well the problem with that is there are just 3 people that know that info so it would not be long before they were out on the street, so that will likely never happen. these are great people and we really would not want to loose them over something like that.

[Revolution]

The problem is there "high performance" division should not have to leak anything that should be part of there marketing program is PCM support. When you target high performance car people it should be a given they will need a way to modify there PCM. Car basics 101

[Synfull]

[QUOTE=Steve M;54151]You would need an HPTuners interface (standard or pro - I'd highly recommend the pro since it gives you the option to bring in multiple 0-5V sensors (like a wideband O2) and merge the data with what comes off the OBD-2 port) and their software, which includes an editor and scanner. That's it.

Not sure how many credits they will charge for this one, but you get 8 credits with a new purchase

Thanks

[tmcphail]

I have the beta and it has the core items needed for NA. Cost is 20 credits per PCM. They need to map out the SD region for 2 bar support but I would imagine that would come with time.

[Steve M]

I have the beta and it has the core items needed for NA. Cost is 20 credits per PCM. They need to map out the SD region for 2 bar support and injector scalability but I would imagine that would come with time.

So pretty much the cost of a Mopar PCM...makes sense. Do you have any larger screen shots? Any of the cam tables?

[tmcphail]

Screen shots were full size on my end I don't know how it got miniaturized on transfer.

[tmcphail]

This is better. There isn't any specific cam control yet.

[FLATOUT]

Outstanding! I need to talk to Keith about gen V software.

[tmcphail]

We do have the injector flow rate and offset to run larger injectors. If anyone wants to see anything in particular I can post it.

[ICPREY]

Great news/info for you gen IV guys!

[FLATOUT]

We do have the injector flow rate and offset to run larger injectors. If anyone wants to see anything in particular I can post it.

Lol everything

[Shooter]

Outstanding! I need to talk to Keith about gen V software.

I bet it's not far behind Andy.
I'm glad I held off buying a Mopar controller for my ACR. Looks like around the same pricing for this as the PCM.
If I owned a Gen V, I wouldn't even waste my time on a Mopar PCM with this new stuff on the near horizon.

[TooBlue]

I have the beta and it has the core items needed for NA. Cost is 20 credits per PCM. They need to map out the SD region for 2 bar support but I would imagine that would come with time.

Credits are $49 ea (instead of the normal $80) when you buy with the $650 Pro dongle.
So if the Viper software takes 20 credits....$980

Plus the Pro Dongle at $650.. Plus dyno time.

Does this sound about right...?


(And the Corvette only requires 2 credits...?????) Viper tax'd again....

[FLATOUT]

Or you could pay your local tuning guru correct? KP Tunes a lot of our local Vipers I'm sure Joe would pick up the software.

[Steve M]

Credits are $49 ea (instead of the normal $80) when you buy with the $650 Pro dongle.
So if the Viper software takes 20 credits....$980

Plus the Pro Dongle at $650..Plus dyno time.

Does this sound about right...

Credits are $49.99 (I round up to $50) each...a new interface ships with 8 credits, regardless of which one you choose. So you'd need to cover an additional 12 credits.

Standard interface ($499) + 12 credits ($49.99 x 12 = $599.88) = $1,098.88

Pro interface ($649) + 12 credits ($599.88) = $1,248.88

Dyno time is debatable, provided you have a pro interface and a wideband O2 sensor (which would even more money, but still doable). If you only did a dyno tune, I'd make sure it was load based (like a Mustang dyno) to get as close to possible to real world conditions.

[tmcphail]

Also remember if you purchase the interface you will be starting out with a stock file and tuning the vehicle yourself or paying someone else to do that for you additionally. Now for a shop or tuner with an existing interface that is doing this job on their own for a customer they will still have to pay HPT a grand in credits to program the PCM and that is just to get started.