BBG Header Install

[Vipes]

Wow, congrats! Impressive numbers!!

[St.Char]

Build looks great Ron, I know it has to sound awesome, looking forward to hearing it soon. Nicely done!

[Steve M]

I went back and re-read this thread here:

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...langer-Headers

Where you said this:

I totally get what you are saying and while I have a set of the new BBG headers on order, I also agree with you. When Toddy ran the shorter version of this new header on the dyno, they made huge gains across the powerband with a peak of +85hp and +80tq on the engine dyno....stock motor, only headers added. This was the main reason I bought them, I don't want to leave a single HP on the table with all the boltons and I'm expecting the headers alone to make +60rwhp/tq, maybe a bit more. I don't really care about subjective sound opinions, these cars always sound kinda weird anyway without a cool exhaust note like a V12 ferrari or 302 mustang....so power is the only motivation for me.

Given that you didn't hit your goal of +60rwhp/tq, are you still happy that you went this route?

[IndyRon]

I went back and re-read this thread here:

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...langer-Headers

Where you said this:



Given that you didn't hit your goal of +60rwhp/tq, are you still happy that you went this route?

Steve,
That was my goal. I really wanted to see the +60rwhp. Am I a little bit disappointed? Sure. Who doesn't want more power? Do I wish that I had a different header on the car? Nope. I fully understood and accepted the fact that being the first to test/run these headers (or any newly designed part), that there is some risk associated with that. I still feel that these are the nicest headers on the market for these cars and fitment was perfect. BBG really did their homework on the fixtures. These are also the only header that is adjustable with different primary lengths, collector designs that allows for optimization of modified motors. My headers were the same length primaries, orientation, and diameter as the prototypes.

My only interpretation of the results is that for a stock motor, there just isn't much more power to be had regardless of header design improvements. This was also shown in FLATOUT's dyno of the M&M 1 7/8" headers. His car maybe picked up a few hp (less than 10) above 5k rpm so now 2 different sets of larger primary headers from 2 different manufacturers have shown that really 1 3/4" is all you need for a stock motor. So, if someone was making more gains with another brand, I suppose I would be upset.

The price premium for me was worth it for the improvement in fitment, quality, and coating and will definitely be worth it for those looking to really push the 8.4L motor further than I plan to. I really wanted to see 620 on the dyno SAE but that's just a pride number. I'll take my 600.6 SAE and have fun with it.

[viper04]

Ron
Nice write up, thanks for posting the info good luck at the track..

[victoryman100]

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Thanks for the link..l wasn't aware of that.



Didn't receive your PM. If you are on the south side also, we need to get a subgroup of folks together for a cookout or cruise and to grab a bite. The weather is too nice.

Hey Ron, a southside cook out and cruise... I am game for that..But don't tell that green venom guy, He will eat all of the food! And yes OPEN hood exhausters Is the coolest!

[GreenVenom]

Great ideas for a get together!!
By the way, the only reason victoryman doesn't have his hood vents in is because they fell out after he used Elmer's wood glue to put em in the first time.

[Revolution]

Great write up and don't get hung up on dyno numbers besides tuning that's all a dyno number is good for!

[IndyRon]

Ron
Nice write up, thanks for posting the info good luck at the track..

Absolutely. Thanks and I'll keep everyone posted on results.

Hey Ron, a southside cook out and cruise... I am game for that..But don't tell that green venom guy, He will eat all of the food! And yes OPEN hood exhausters Is the coolest!

Cool, will plan something maybe in the next 2-3wks.

Great write up and don't get hung up on dyno numbers besides tuning that's all a dyno number is good for!

Thanks man. Absolutely true. Have you had a chance to get yours installed? Impressions?

[Revolution]

I'm hoping to be back in town this week and get it done the headers are in just need to build the exhaust.

[extremneon]

Headers look awesome, great write up and install!

Best way to look at ordering these for my Viper?

[IndyRon]

Headers look awesome, great write up and install!

Best way to look at ordering these for my Viper?

Easiest way is to call up Toddy at Bad Boyz Garage. He is a sponsor on here. He will take care of you.

[extremneon]

Easiest way is to call up Toddy at Bad Boyz Garage. He is a sponsor on here. He will take care of you.

Awesome, thanks!!