Just released off-road PCM for Gen V

[mjorgensen]

Will the head/cam pkg also work on gen 4 cars? *please say yes, please say yes*

The GenIV pcm is still a Mopar controlled part # so this may not ever transfer to the previous gen cars :-(

[Venomus]

Why should that not surprise us Gen IV owners. Taking a screwing one more time. SRTs botched marketing on the Gen V has adversely affected the resale value of our cars and now we are once again left out getting this PCM. Way to go Dodge. Just another reason to not have the car. I was really looking forward to all of this.

[1.8t]

^ Why not just get tuned via HP tuners?

[Junkie]

Why should that not surprise us Gen IV owners. Taking a screwing one more time. SRTs botched marketing on the Gen V has adversely affected the resale value of our cars and now we are once again left out getting this PCM. Way to go Dodge. Just another reason to not have the car. I was really looking forward to all of this.

Wow. Pretty sure a new model dropping is going to negatively impact previous generations….in all makes. If its such a big deal why not get a tune from HPT and a local tuner?

[cashcorn]

go for hptunes, many more options..

[mjorgensen]

I still don't think the HPT can control a cam swap can it? Has BBG got it working maybe I missed that part.

[Venomus]

I'm aware of HPT but I was hoping for some kind of cam change. Really like the sound of an aftermarket can over what I have now. As far as resale value goes. It's really hard to see brand new 2013s being sold for 20k less than I paid for mine back in 2009. I love the my car and will probably never sale it because it was my only shot of having one.

[Junkie]

I'm aware of HPT but I was hoping for some kind of cam change. Really like the sound of an aftermarket can over what I have now. As far as resale value goes. It's really hard to see brand new 2013s being sold for 20k less than I paid for mine back in 2009. I love the my car and will probably never sale it because it was my only shot of having one.

So you would rather them sit on lots, not sell, and decrease value of the brand even more?

[Murpowa]

I still don't think the HPT can control a cam swap can it? Has BBG got it working maybe I missed that part.

Anyone's guess..I asked for an update and got the run around

[Venomus]

The damage is already done to the resale value of the Gen IVs so it really doesn't matter to me what happens to the unsold cars. All the blame is in Dodge's hands and how they handled the Gen Vs when they first came out.

[mblgjr]

Hell yea. Ive been waiting to go to the dealer for other stuff anyway. Now I can do it all in one trip.

ARH headers 10% off too.

Sweeet news for G5 owners! !!

[1.8t]

I'm confused, you say the below:

No the PCM has wide parameters so it will adapt to just about anything but a cam swap or boost

but you also say this:

Fixed cam, heads redone, fuel upgrade, headers and PCM will be 730+ at the flywheel.

Which is it?

[05Commemorative]

he replied earlier on this. The first quote is accurate as-is.

The second one, which really refers to the unique part of the cam,heads,fuel needs to have the pcm sent back and configured for it and in this case, for specific setup from arrow, not some other cam/head combo from a different vender.

I'm confused, you say the below:


but you also say this:


Which is it?

[1.8t]

Good deal, thanks for the clarification

[Voice of Reason]

The damage is already done to the resale value of the Gen IVs so it really doesn't matter to me what happens to the unsold cars. All the blame is in Dodge's hands and how they handled the Gen Vs when they first came out.

Gen IV resale values are down because they're no longer the current model and they've been replaced by a superior car. Period. End of story. You can cry about PCMs all you want but they have little to do with how resale values are set.

Trade your IV in on a cheap V and go on with worrying about other first world problems than this.

[Voice of Reason]

Anyone's guess..I asked for an update and got the run around

They had an electrical failure of some kind so we we will have to wait until they get that sorted out.

[Jack B]

I have used HPT for seven years on a FI GM car, the HPT version I now use on my G5 is a far different (some what limited) product. The two biggest issues with the G5 were the cat protect scheme and the aggressive timing reduction embedded in the G5 PCM. HPT fixes these very nicely, however, it has some limitations when compared to their fully functional tuning packages. I only used HPT (G5) for 30 days and cold weather shut me down, I have a few more changes I want to make. Was it worth the cost, to me it was.

I am going to also install the aftermarket pcm, then compare the differences. There are pro's and con's to both. I can say this, the aftermarket pcm had a lot of work go into its development and the best team of viper tuners have done the work. This is not a guess at a tune, the pcm was dyno tested and road tested over a long time period.

We won't know for a while which is better, only time will tell. Personally, I think the current HPT product will have a difficult time tuning a heavily modified car, then again, the future may prove us wrong.

go for hptunes, many more options..

[Jack B]

Don't be so grim, buy HPT and that should be all you need. Personally i do not see a plot to devalue the price of your car.

Why should that not surprise us Gen IV owners. Taking a screwing one more time. SRTs botched marketing on the Gen V has adversely affected the resale value of our cars and now we are once again left out getting this PCM. Way to go Dodge. Just another reason to not have the car. I was really looking forward to all of this.

[Jack B]

The relearn takes five minutes.

^^^^ that's my biggest concern as well. Are dealers even up to speed on this? a-side from your awesome dealership. lol

[Bruce H.]

Mark,

The factory PCM is set up for 91 octane as I understand it, but I think Ralph or Dick told me the aftermarket was for 93. The extra octane would allow for a little more ignition advance, resulting in a power bump, and not really be any more aggressive so long as you do use 93. Is your understanding also that the tune is designed for 93, and what does that mean for those stuck with 91?

Is the PCM's knock response able to pull sufficient timing in the case of significant knock, and if it is then why wouldn't the factory use a 93 tune as stock?

And lastly, does the PCM automatically advance ignition as much as the engine will take so long as knock stays below a certain threshold in order to maximize power and reduce emissions? If the answer is yes, then would it advance ignition even more if you were using race gas at the track, and make even more power?

[Jack B]

Knock sensors are not fail safe, a 93 octane tune will have more fixed advance, therefore, probably not usable at 91 octane in all conditions. In other words you give up a little hp.

Mark,

The factory PCM is set up for 91 octane as I understand it, but I think Ralph or Dick told me the aftermarket was for 93. The extra octane would allow for a little more ignition advance, resulting in a power bump, and not really be any more aggressive so long as you do use 93. Is your understanding also that the tune is designed for 93, and what does that mean for those stuck with 91?

Is the PCM's knock response able to pull sufficient timing in the case of significant knock, and if it is then why wouldn't the factory use a 93 tune as stock?

And lastly, does the PCM automatically advance ignition as much as the engine will take so long as knock stays below a certain threshold in order to maximize power and reduce emissions? If the answer is yes, then would it advance ignition even more if you were using race gas at the track, and make even more power?

[Bruce H.]

Knock sensors are not fail safe, a 93 octane tune will have more fixed advance, therefore, probably not usable at 91 octane in all conditions. In other words you give up a little hp.

We only have 94 available at some stations here in Canada. I'll have to check to see if there's any around where I live and tracks I run. I'd be fine for street driving on 91 I'm sure because I'm very tame when driving on public roads...maybe that's why I like to track so much!!!

[Junkie]

I have used HPT for seven years on a FI GM car, the HPT version I now use on my G5 is a far different (some what limited) product. The two biggest issues with the G5 were the cat protect scheme and the aggressive timing reduction embedded in the G5 PCM. HPT fixes these very nicely, however, it has some limitations when compared to their fully functional tuning packages. I only used HPT (G5) for 30 days and cold weather shut me down, I have a few more changes I want to make. Was it worth the cost, to me it was.

I am going to also install the aftermarket pcm, then compare the differences. There are pro's and con's to both. I can say this, the aftermarket pcm had a lot of work go into its development and the best team of viper tuners have done the work. This is not a guess at a tune, the pcm was dyno tested and road tested over a long time period.

We won't know for a while which is better, only time will tell. Personally, I think the current HPT product will have a difficult time tuning a heavily modified car, then again, the future may prove us wrong.

Totally agree, I'm really hoping we can get my car to work well with nitrous and HPT.

[kdaviper]

Knock sensors are not fail safe, a 93 octane tune will have more fixed advance, therefore, probably not usable at 91 octane in all conditions. In other words you give up a little hp.

also, your car will run dirtier if it's tuned to run 93 and has to pull timing... possibly leading to a failed smog test or buildup of engine residue

[mjorgensen]

Mark,

The factory PCM is set up for 91 octane as I understand it, but I think Ralph or Dick told me the aftermarket was for 93. The extra octane would allow for a little more ignition advance, resulting in a power bump, and not really be any more aggressive so long as you do use 93. Is your understanding also that the tune is designed for 93, and what does that mean for those stuck with 91?

Is the PCM's knock response able to pull sufficient timing in the case of significant knock, and if it is then why wouldn't the factory use a 93 tune as stock?

And lastly, does the PCM automatically advance ignition as much as the engine will take so long as knock stays below a certain threshold in order to maximize power and reduce emissions? If the answer is yes, then would it advance ignition even more if you were using race gas at the track, and make even more power?

Yes to get the most power 93 is best more possible with higher, but only to a point as there are max tables in place, it will run fine on 91. The car we tested was on 91 and we saw 35+ at the tire on that particular vehicle. Jack answered the rest of the question perfectly thank you Jack.

also, your car will run dirtier if it's tuned to run 93 and has to pull timing... possibly leading to a failed smog test or buildup of engine residue

The PCM will not pass emissions testing anyhow, rear 02's are disabled like the G4 pcm was.