Just released off-road PCM for Gen V

**mjorgensen** · 02-19-2015

Originally Posted by cashcorn

Great news! I'm glad they are basically the same. My problem in Socal is we are lacking in reliable srt dealers for service or upgrades such as the pcm. I'm glad we have the option to seek independent tuners for there experience/knowledge.

Any Dodge Tech that can read and work on a car with the WiTech tools they use can do the PCM install in about 20 minutes, and if they have questions they can call me for support. FWIW

**Simms** · 02-19-2015

Awesome! Thanks for the comparison and posting the results.

**DPViper** · 02-20-2015

If I get the Arrow PCM now and then decide to go the supercharger route next year do I need the new PCM or have I just wasted $1100? Thanks

**Gonabite** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by DPViper

If I get the Arrow PCM now and then decide to go the supercharger route next year do I need the new PCM or have I just wasted $1100? Thanks

From what Mark has said the PCM will just be re-calibrated.

**Steve M** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by Gonabite

From what Mark has said the PCM will just be re-calibrated.

Bingo.

**Viper Girl** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by cashcorn

Great news! I'm glad they are basically the same. My problem in Socal is we are lacking in reliable srt dealers for service or upgrades such as the pcm. I'm glad we have the option to seek independent tuners for there experience/knowledge.

I bet Dan Cragin can do the upgrade. If not then I'd go to Motor Village LA

**mjorgensen** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by Viper Girl

I bet Dan Cragin can do the upgrade. If not then I'd go to Motor Village LA

Dan does not have the WiTech connection that is needed for the PCM installation, but he would be the most capable candidate for the H/C installation. BUT the H/C package and PCM will never pass emissions in CA. so unless HPT can crack the codes to allow for a cam swap in the Gen5 and still retain all the needed ready codes not sure it is doable there.

**Jack B** · 02-20-2015

Is it realistic for an individual or small shop to purchase a witech. I have been researching a puchase and there is all kind on conflicting info on the web.

alibaba shows a knock off for $695 and some seem happy with it. The mainstream sites show a $3300 starting point with maintenence fees of approx 2500/year.

What is the real story

Originally Posted by mjorgensen

Dan does not have the WiTech connection that is needed for the PCM installation, but he would be the most capable candidate for the H/C installation. BUT the H/C package and PCM will never pass emissions in CA. so unless HPT can crack the codes to allow for a cam swap in the Gen5 and still retain all the needed ready codes not sure it is doable there.

**mjorgensen** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by Jack B

Is it realistic for an individual or small shop to purchase a witech. I have been researching a puchase and there is all kind on conflicting info on the web.

alibaba shows a knock off for $695 and some seem happy with it. The mainstream sites show a $3300 starting point with maintenence fees of approx 2500/year.

What is the real story

Not at all financially possible for a small shop and I have no idea how a knock off could work since they still have to pay Chrysler to access the dealer system.

**Magnus** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by mjorgensen

Not at all financially possible for a small shop and I have no idea how a knock off could work since they still have to pay Chrysler to access the dealer system.

I will be adding both features to HP Tuners VCM Suite.

You will not need access to a dealer system to use our tool.

- Keith @ HP Tuners

**mjorgensen** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by Magnus

I will be adding both features to HP Tuners VCM Suite.

You will not need access to a dealer system to use our tool.

- Keith @ HP Tuners

I think he was asking about this so they could initialize a new PCM on their own without going to the dealer to do so. Are you saying that you can do this now? If so that will be a huge help to people that are afraid of going to the local dealers for the H/C install.

Thanks Keith!

**FLATOUT** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by Magnus

I will be adding both features to HP Tuners VCM Suite.

You will not need access to a dealer system to use our tool.

- Keith @ HP Tuners

I really hope this means I can use HP Tuners to run my own selected Heads and Cam package on a Gen V. Thanks Keith.

**Magnus** · 02-20-2015

Originally Posted by FLATOUT

I really hope this means I can use HP Tuners to run my own selected Heads and Cam package on a Gen V. Thanks Keith.

It already can on the 13's and 14's.

Not sure where we're at on the 15's. It might have already been released.

**Jack B** · 02-20-2015

Keith

That is fantastic, assuming that will be in the scanner part of the suite.

Originally Posted by Magnus

I will be

adding both features to HP Tuners VCM Suite.

You will not need access to a dealer system to use our tool.

- Keith @ HP Tuners

**Jack B** · 02-20-2015

Andy:

You are going to have mechanical
and oiling issues if you go to an Non-arrow fixed cam. At least with Arrow the cam is kitted wth all parts for the install.

Another issue is the fuel pump, the oem pump will not take you over 700 hp for all conditions, again, the Arrow kit takes care of that.

Originally Posted by FLATOUT

I really hope this means I can use HP Tuners to run my own selected Heads and Cam package on a Gen V. Thanks Keith.

**FLATOUT** · 02-20-2015

You have a PM

We have fuel pumps to use that work quite well.

Originally Posted by Jack B

Andy:

You are going to have mechanical
and oiling issues if you go to an Non-arrow fixed cam. At least with Arrow the cam is kitted wth all parts for the install.

Another issue is the fuel pump, the oem pump will not take you over 700 hp for all conditions, again, the Arrow kit takes care of that.

**ViperSmith** · 02-21-2015

Mark,

You had mentioned the warranty would still be honored, is that the case with the ECU alone?

Any more details on the warranty status with any of these packages?

Thanks

**mjorgensen** · 02-21-2015

Any warranty issues will be addressed on a case by case basis, the warranty should not be just fundimentally voided.

Originally Posted by ViperSmith

Mark,

You had mentioned the warranty would still be honored, is that the case with the ECU alone?

Any more details on the warranty status with any of these packages?

Thanks

**ViperSmith** · 02-21-2015

Originally Posted by mjorgensen

Any warranty issues will be addressed on a case by case basis, the warranty should not be just fundimentally voided.

Interesting, thanks.

**FSTENUF** · 03-19-2015

Question I just drove back from the Dealership with the new PCM installed. I am getting a lot of loading up at low RPM'S driving through town. It loads up and I have rev it up a bit to clear it out. Any advise would be helpful.
Thanks

**mjorgensen** · 03-19-2015

Originally Posted by FSTENUF

Question I just drove back from the Dealership with the new PCM installed. I am getting a lot of loading up at low RPM'S driving through town. It loads up and I have rev it up a bit to clear it out. Any advise would be helpful.
Thanks

Did the Tech let it idle HOT for 3 minutes with the A/C on and then 3 more with the A/C off? The PCM has to learn the engines needs to find the idle and that is determined somewhat by miles and engine drag from the load of the accessories.

**FSTENUF** · 03-19-2015

Mark
Will this self correct after I put more miles on the car?

**mjorgensen** · 03-19-2015

Originally Posted by FSTENUF

Mark
Will this self correct after I put more miles on the car?

If he did not follow that direction I would definitely have him redo it, if he did it and this has to do with fuel trims and idle air then some miles may help.