What are my options after a rod bearing failure

[Mikey]

Is it because a piston hit it? lol

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LMK. I may be interested depending on price.

No clue. If they try to pin it on me, I'd want the ecu pulled to see when

I wouldn't take less than 100 for the body

[Lawineer]

If you can get that, I'd definitely do it, but that's probably a high price without an engine.

[SRT_BluByU]

some serious scrape marks on the frame... did ya jump it.. HA!

[Mikey]

some serious scrape marks on the frame... did ya jump it.. HA!

Definitely not, I don't remember those marks being there actually


Edit: nvm, that's all the debris. They're still doing construction in the community I live in

[efnfast]

Oil pan is cracked from the inside out, idk how that happens

ouch, that would suck if the original oil cooler/lines were reused and your engine let go from an assembly issue .... the would be one hell of a finger pointing game

[Mikey]

ouch, that would suck if the original oil cooler/lines were reused and your engine let go from an assembly issue .... the would be one hell of a finger pointing game

At this point, I'm going to have them two talk it out.
If I'm going to have to come out of pocket at all. I'm shipping the entire car to calvo and be done with it

[Mikey]

I would hate to see that but totally understand. Last thing you need it to dump more money into it. Sometimes it's just bad luck. Hope they swapped the oil lines and cooler like you requested. It just sucks

Lmao, I just noticed the bold text

[Space Truckin]

Kevin said he'd be able to tell, the coolers have been on back order, apparently.
I just want my damn car fixed

If I read this correctly, the new engine was allowed to be run with the old "contaminated" oil cooler/ lines?

[Mikey]

If I read this correctly, the new engine was allowed to be run with the old "contaminated" oil cooler/ lines?

We don't know yet. Installer of course said he put in a new cooler and lines, builder suspects he didn't. We'll see.

[GTS Dean]

some serious scrape marks on the frame... did ya jump it.. HA!

I looked at the photo too. At first glance, it looks like heavy scrapes, but I really suspect it could be dust from driving over grass/weeds on the side of the road.

[Mikey]

I looked at the photo too. At first glance, it looks like heavy scrapes, but I really suspect it could be dust from driving over grass/weeds on the side of the road.

Yup, if you look at the cord, there's some gunk on that as well

[AZTVR]

We don't know yet. Installer of course said he put in a new cooler and lines, builder suspects he didn't. We'll see.

I would ask him to show you the old cooler or photos as soon as possible, so that if he did do it and has it, he can be withdrawn as a target for that discussion, since lots of people are focused on that possibility, without any evidence.

[Martin]

I would ask him to show you the old cooler or photos as soon as possible, so that if he did do it and has it, he can be withdrawn as a target for that discussion, since lots of people are focused on that possibility, without any evidence.

That, and/or show that those parts were purchased and delivered. If they were sitting on the shelf, then show inventory records of when they were pulled. I do have a bad feeling that this may be a finger pointing contest. I'm making a point to myself to go to a "one stop shop" if anything grenades on my car. I want one throat to choke, so to speak.

[Mikey]

That, and/or show that those parts were purchased and delivered. If they were sitting on the shelf, then show inventory records of when they were pulled. I do have a bad feeling that this may be a finger pointing contest. I'm making a point to myself to go to a "one stop shop" if anything grenades on my car. I want one throat to choke, so to speak.

One shop was the goal, but shops wouldn't give me an exact quote or just wouldn't get back to me. Unfortunately calvo got back to me AFTER I started the work. Only 8k for a rebuild there

I went ahead and asked him for pics and records, the motor is being shipped out Monday


Edit: my mistake, the motor had exactly 635 miles at failure

[SRT_BluByU]

Arrow racing/prefix has always done good work for me..

[Mikey]

Uh oh. So asked for pics of the old cooler and lines, he said

"Eall thr lines were flushed and ultrasonic
cleaned, as well as thr EOC the factory
oil coolers are on national backorder
Everything was clean as a whistle"

This is going to be a nightmare

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Arrow racing/prefix has always done good work for me..

They never got back to me with actual numbers, they just said 20k is worst case scenario for a complete rebuild but couldn't give me an actual quote until they received it

[Mikey]

Pics of the underside and oil70390.jpg
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[ViperSRT]

Uh oh. So asked for pics of the old cooler and lines, he said

"Eall thr lines were flushed and ultrasonic
cleaned, as well as thr EOC the factory
oil coolers are on national backorder
Everything was clean as a whistle"

This is going to be a nightmare

I agree it will be a nightmare if bearing damage is the initial cause of failure and foreign material is found embedded in the bearings as it would point toward the cooler and/or lines. If they told you they were replaced but only “cleaned” them, and never informed you, you should have a strong case. Good luck in that regard.

[Mikey]

I agree it will be a nightmare if bearing damage is the initial cause of failure and foreign material is found embedded in the bearings as it would point toward the cooler and/or lines. If they told you they were replaced but only “cleaned” them, and never informed you, you should have a strong case. Good luck in that regard.

Yup, he initially told the builder and myself that they were replaced. Then when I asked for pics, he said they were cleaned. I was charged for new lines and a new cooler as well.

[Aevus]

Uh oh. So asked for pics of the old cooler and lines, he said

"Eall thr lines were flushed and ultrasonic
cleaned, as well as thr EOC the factory
oil coolers are on national backorder
Everything was clean as a whistle"

This is going to be a nightmare

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They never got back to me with actual numbers, they just said 20k is worst case scenario for a complete rebuild but couldn't give me an actual quote until they received it

I'm curious:

1. The lines/cooler are absolutely uncleanable? The guy said it was cleaned by ultrasonic, what is that process exactly?
2. If it's a national backorder (discontinued?) that means anyone who have an engine to rebuild won't be able to do it because of that?

[ViperGeorge]

I'm curious:

1. The lines/cooler are absolutely uncleanable? The guy said it was cleaned by ultrasonic, what is that process exactly?
2. If it's a national backorder (discontinued?) that means anyone who have an engine to rebuild won't be able to do it because of that?

I wonder what the inside channels of the oil cooler look like. Are they really cleanable? There must be a reason that it has always been the practice to replace the lines and cooler when an engine fails. If it is so easy to clean them then that would have been the route taken by everyone. They would not have spent the money on new ones. When my 2006 GTS blew an engine the lines were replaced (as was the whole engine, kind of hard to reuse the block when there are two big holes in it).

[Old School]

I wonder what the inside channels of the oil cooler look like. Are they really cleanable? There must be a reason that it has always been the practice to replace the lines and cooler when an engine fails. If it is so easy to clean them then that would have been the route taken by everyone. They would not have spent the money on new ones. When my 2006 GTS blew an engine the lines were replaced (as was the whole engine, kind of hard to reuse the block when there are two big holes in it).

In addition to that, I always clean, flush out the new ones to remove any debris left over from manufacturing. Especially the hoses. When they are cut and ends installed there is likely debris left. And since these hoses and cooler are post the filter in the oil flow, this material is feed directly the bearings.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, installing new stuff doesn't mean it doesn't have to be flushed.

[Lawineer]

It’s more the the heat exchangers that concern me. They have pretty tight and narrow passageways.

Also, my research tells me hoses and EOC were not on back order.

[Mikey]

It’s more the the heat exchangers that concern me. They have pretty tight and narrow passageways.

Also, my research tells me hoses and EOC were not on back order.

Do you have a link to the parts? I don't think a cleaning costs $779.

[TIME]

Uh oh. So asked for pics of the old cooler and lines, he said

"Eall thr lines were flushed and ultrasonic
cleaned, as well as thr EOC the factory
oil coolers are on national backorder
Everything was clean as a whistle"

This is going to be a nightmare

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They never got back to me with actual numbers, they just said 20k is worst case scenario for a complete rebuild but couldn't give me an actual quote until they received it

Mikey,
Typically you use ultrasonic cleaning to dissolve gunk. Ex: if a carburetor/injector system has been sitting for a long time and the gasoline has turned into a varnish-like substance. You simply submerge the unit into a bath of solvent in an ultrasonic container. The solvent is then heated and the ultrasonic vibrations help agitate and dissolve the "gunk". Not sure how/if that would work when removing metal pieces from intricate crevasses inside an oil cooler. If it was indeed ultrasonically cleaned, I am sure that "everything was clean as a whistle" - including the (first) left over metal pieces. Dammed near impossible to prove as the system is probably contaminated again. It is a problem that you initially were told that the oil-cooler and lines were replaced. In an ideal world you deal with "adults" that take responsibility for their actions and just do the right thing. I.e. just fix it if you made a mistake.