What are my options after a rod bearing failure

[ViperGeorge]

The oil cooler and oil lines should be replaced after any engine failure. This is pretty obvious. Debris can contaminate the cooler and lines and it will be hard to remove. I'm surprised the shop didn't do this. That is not cool.

[Mikey]

Waiting on the oil filter results

[ViperSRT]

The oil cooler and oil lines should be replaced after any engine failure. This is pretty obvious. Debris can contaminate the cooler and lines and it will be hard to remove. I'm surprised the shop didn't do this. That is not cool.

Absolutely correct. Never reuse the oil cooler or lines after engine failure with metallic debris. Recipe for failure. I am sure this was mentioned previously in this thread.

[Mikey]

Absolutely correct. Never reuse the oil cooler or lines after engine failure with metallic debris. Recipe for failure. I am sure this was mentioned previously in this thread.

I'm hoping that isn't the issue, because I was billed and paid for a new oil cooler and lines

[Jack B]

Maybe I missed it, have someone get an accurate dipstick reading. Look at both sides of the dipstick, use the low side as the real level. As the car sits those two levels close. Everything starts after you get the correct reading.

[GTS Dean]

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Don't forget to replace the oil cooler and lines. They may contain a lot of debris to foul the rebuild.

Absolutely correct. Never reuse the oil cooler or lines after engine failure with metallic debris. Recipe for failure. I am sure this was mentioned previously in this thread.

Little IMPORTANT things.

[Mikey]

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Little IMPORTANT things.

This will be a big issue as I did pay for the new cooler and lines

[Lawineer]

I cannot imagine any sort of operator error that would cause oil pressure to drop to zero outside of over-rev conditions.

[Martin]

I may have missed this, but did one shop do the entire job? I think I remember reading in this thread that the engine was pulled and sent off to be rebuilt. That could be a recipe for disaster - the shop that pulled the engine will likely say the problem was in the rebuild, and the shop that did the rebuild will say that shop that pulled the engine didn't clear the lines or oil cooler. It may turn into a finger pointing contest.

[ViperTony]

Edit: motor needs to come out. I'm going to have the installer and builder discuss how we're going to proceed and go from there. I'm getting a quote from Calvo as well, just in case

I'm guessing someone dropped the oil pan and saw some things that shouldn't be in there? Damn...I'm sorry to read this (though my sentiment doesn't help you). We're with you in spirit FWIW...

[Mikey]

I may have missed this, but did one shop do the entire job? I think I remember reading in this thread that the engine was pulled and sent off to be rebuilt. That could be a recipe for disaster - the shop that pulled the engine will likely say the problem was in the rebuild, and the shop that did the rebuild will say that shop that pulled the engine didn't clear the lines or oil cooler. It may turn into a finger pointing contest.

I have a feeling that's what's going to happen. One shop did the pull install, and sent it off to kevin for the build.

I'm 99.9% sure I never overrevved it. Initially when the oil pressure went to 0, it felt like maybe a line popped off

[GTS Dean]

Or, maybe the relief valves stuck into bypass mode?

[Mikey]

Or, maybe the relief valves stuck into bypass mode?

No clue what that would sound or feel like. The ugly rattling noise didn't start until after I went further down the road. Initially it was a very faint flutter that would go away in 6th then oil went to zero shortly after. The fluttering noise was near the passenger side

[Martin]

I have a feeling that's what's going to happen. One shop did the pull install, and sent it off to kevin for the build.

I'm 99.9% sure I never overrevved it. Initially when the oil pressure went to 0, it felt like maybe a line popped off

I wonder how anyone's going to prove one way or another if the failure was caused by a re-used oil cooler and/or re-used oil lines. About the only way I can think of it being somewhat definitive is if you had possession of the oil cooler and lines, an independent shop went through them with a fine-tooth comb, and then an analysis was done on the metallurgy of the flakes that are still in there (there will definitely be some flakes left). If it's identical to what was in the original damaged-engine oil, then that would point to those never being changed.

[Mikey]

I wonder how anyone's going to prove one way or another if the failure was caused by a re-used oil cooler and/or re-used oil lines. About the only way I can think of it being somewhat definitive is if you had possession of the oil cooler and lines, an independent shop went through them with a fine-tooth comb, and then an analysis was done on the metallurgy of the flakes that are still in there (there will definitely be some flakes left). If it's identical to what was in the original damaged-engine oil, then that would point to those never being changed.

Kevin said he'd be able to tell, the coolers have been on back order, apparently.
I just want my damn car fixed

[Martin]

Kevin said he'd be able to tell, the coolers have been on back order, apparently.
I just want my family car fixed

Might still be worthwhile to get an independent analysis done. Backordered coolers are circumstantial, but not definitive. Getting a gas chromatography analysis done would be almost 100% definitive. That's a really easy test to do - most labs can do it for not much cost. Way back when, when I was working in the aircraft space, we ran into situations where someone would claim that an engine failed because it wasn't manufactured properly. Then, we'd rip it apart, and no matter how hard they tried to clean it out, we'd find signs of the wrong fuel being used (a jet engine running on Av Gas, for example). Nowadays, those gas chromatographs are so cheap and common that most community college chemical labs have them.

[Mikey]

Might still be worthwhile to get an independent analysis done. Backordered coolers are circumstantial, but not definitive. Getting a gas chromatography analysis done would be almost 100% definitive. That's a really easy test to do - most labs can do it for not much cost. Way back when, when I was working in the aircraft space, we ran into situations where someone would claim that an engine failed because it wasn't manufactured properly. Then, we'd rip it apart, and no matter how hard they tried to clean it out, we'd find signs of the wrong fuel being used (a jet engine running on Av Gas, for example). Nowadays, those gas chromatographs are so cheap and common that most community college chemical labs have them.

What would I need to get that done? I'm gonna have him ship the old filter over

[Sniper]

Man, I feel your pain but not to your extent! I hope this all gets sorted quickly and no expense out of your pocket!

[Martin]

What would I need to get that done? I'm gonna have him ship the old filter over

This might be a good place to start: http://www.weanalyzeoil.com/home.html

If you have a good enough sample of oil, Blackstone might be able to give you a "fingerprint" of the metallic components that gets you close enough.

It's been a long time since I've messed with these, but for issues like I mentioned where someone was claiming that they never stuck Av Gas into their jet engine - GC would always figure out of they're BS'ing or not.

For things like this situation, where you might need to get an actual metal sample and have it analyzed (for example, take the oil cooler, fill it with solvent, plug the inlet/outlet, and put it on a shaker to shake all the material loose), GC may or may not work. I know it works great for organic compounds, but metals are inorganic - so that's a question mark in my mind. Whatever Blackstone does, and what Southwest Spectro-Chem does, definitely will give you an accurate count of the metals in the sample.

I'm starting to get out of my area of expertise here, so take it with a grain of salt. Best to call Blackstone and Southwest to see what they recommend.

[Mikey]

I'm considering selling it as is at this point, this car has been mentally draining

Edit: I somehow caught covid, to add insult to injury

[SRT_BluByU]

Awful news to hear.. just awful. All hot rodders have been there at some point.. maybe not to the same level..but some worse im sure. Stay focused on enjoying life. Hope you feel better

[13COBRA]

I'm considering selling it as is at this point, this car has been mentally draining

Edit: I somehow caught covid, to add insult to injury

I wouldn't blame you at all.

[StrokerAce]

I'm considering selling it as is at this point, this car has been mentally draining

Edit: I somehow caught covid, to add insult to injury

I would hate to see that but totally understand. Last thing you need it to dump more money into it. Sometimes it's just bad luck. Hope they swapped the oil lines and cooler like you requested. It just sucks

[Mikey]

Oil pan is cracked from the inside out, idk how that happens
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[Lawineer]

Is it because a piston hit it? lol

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I'm considering selling it as is at this point, this car has been mentally draining

Edit: I somehow caught covid, to add insult to injury

LMK. I may be interested depending on price.