TA Thread

[Theedrb]

Your car is not numbered, as it is a gtc. The window sticker will show the car as a Dodge GTC, were the TA will be shown as a Dodge TA.
By the way if you bought the car from Brian in NC it's a beautiful car.

That’s him

[SRT_BluByU]

If it’s got the TA option, it’s a TA in my book Lol. Yes the car has every option i could think of plus the full Venzano interior. I couldn’t have spec’ed it better myself, which is probably why i bought it. Thanks guys I appreciate it.

They are.. They're TA's, just not the numbered special edition TAs Vipes was talking about! Those come with a Dash Plaque that denotes them as such!

[Vipes]

They are.. They're TA's, just not the numbered special edition TAs Vipes was talking about! Those come with a Dash Plaque that denotes them as such!

Not a TA according to the FCA. They designated all TA's as SE's. All SE's are numbered. Don't shoot the messenger, just passing along info.

[ViperSRT]

Ha, I like the reference to "The FCA." You know having worked there for 35 years I never once heard anyone refer to an option, group or package available as "real" or "fake." They are exactly what they state. An option, selectable with a number of other options, for given models. A Group, a set group of options that may or may not be available as separate options, also selectable with other options. Or a package, a preselected set of options with limited potential for other options. Numbering of either an option, group or a package is a marketing move to increase interest in that particular product.

In the end, there was no element of the Package that could not be obtained using the group plus other options except the stickers and dash plaque. Meanwhile those that ordered the group had the potential to order any of 8000+ colors, any interior they wished, etc, while having every bit as much performance as those with the stickers and plaque.

[USAFPILOT]

that's how I see it...the badges mean basically nothing to me.

[Vipes]

Ha, I like the reference to "The FCA." You know having worked there for 35 years I never once heard anyone refer to an option, group or package available as "real" or "fake." They are exactly what they state. An option, selectable with a number of other options, for given models. A Group, a set group of options that may or may not be available as separate options, also selectable with other options. Or a package, a preselected set of options with limited potential for other options. Numbering of either an option, group or a package is a marketing move to increase interest in that particular product.

In the end, there was no element of the Package that could not be obtained using the group plus other options except the stickers and dash plaque. Meanwhile those that ordered the group had the potential to order any of 8000+ colors, any interior they wished, etc, while having every bit as much performance as those with the stickers and plaque.

I have actually never used those words nor has the FCA. There is no fake TA or real TA. A TA is a special edition. It either is one or it is not one. They kept it simple. I agree with you about everything else. We are talking about an intangible that most could care less about. That is why the package is double the price but the option group has almost everything the package has for half price. The FCA knew people would pay for a SE car. I was glad when I read that Theedrb didn't care about the GT fender emblems being swapped with special edition stickers and was more than happy with his purchase. Not trying to have a resale value debate as the GTC cars were usually much higher msrps but just trying to prevent somebody from getting scammed.

[ViperSRT]

I have actually never used those words nor has the FCA. There is no fake TA or real TA. A TA is a special edition. It either is one or it is not one. They kept it simple. I agree with you about everything else. We are talking about an intangible that most could care less about. That is why the package is double the price but the option group has almost everything the package has for half price. The FCA knew people would pay for a SE car. I was glad when I read that Theedrb didn't care about the GT fender emblems being swapped with special edition stickers and was more than happy with his purchase. Not trying to have a resale value debate as the GTC cars were usually much higher msrps but just trying to prevent somebody from getting scammed.

Whew, not even sure where to start. How about the cost since you seem to make that something important. Yes the package cost as an option was more than the group. But, and a huge BUT, they were not applied to the same base price. The package was applied to the base SRT model (A VIN) while the group was applied to GT model (D VIN). The difference in group to package was almost the same as the difference between SRT and GT base price. Another misconception is the SE aspect and value to the manufacturer. The packages were intended for 2014 and 2015 MY. The group was to begin with late 2015 MY. As a low volume vehicle the clarity of MY was deviated quite a bit, and through the complexity of Canadian versus US option tables, a few examples were made outside of that range. But in effect yes, 2014 TA and 2015 TA2 were intended to be special order vehicles (use of the term SE is another misnomer). They were supposed to be customer order only (versus dealer stock), but as usual that was bypassed many times. In 2015 that was made stricter, which is why there are so many fewer available (obviously demand was not so great). As a result there were lots of parts left available and the decision was made to create the option group. In addition there is no such thing as a TA model, as there is with ACR. It can be an SRT or GT model with a TA package or a TA group. So completely incorrect for anyone to refer to any of them as real TA versus fake TA.

The bottom line is everyone should enjoy what they selected and not try to diminish that which others selected. The manufacturer really couldn't have cared less about the group versus package other than the sales and return. Design, engineering and marketing all make decisions to maximize sales and profit potential, as that is the bottom line, and the creation of groups and packages is one tool to maximize sales and margin.

[Vipes]

Whew, not even sure where to start. How about the cost since you seem to make that something important. Yes the package cost as an option was more than the group. But, and a huge BUT, they were not applied to the same base price. The package was applied to the base SRT model (A VIN) while the group was applied to GT model (D VIN). The difference in group to package was almost the same as the difference between SRT and GT base price. Another misconception is the SE aspect and value to the manufacturer. The packages were intended for 2014 and 2015 MY. The group was to begin with late 2015 MY. As a low volume vehicle the clarity of MY was deviated quite a bit, and through the complexity of Canadian versus US option tables, a few examples were made outside of that range. But in effect yes, 2014 TA and 2015 TA2 were intended to be special order vehicles (use of the term SE is another misnomer). They were supposed to be customer order only (versus dealer stock), but as usual that was bypassed many times. In 2015 that was made stricter, which is why there are so many fewer available (obviously demand was not so great). As a result there were lots of parts left available and the decision was made to create the option group. In addition there is no such thing as a TA model, as there is with ACR. It can be an SRT or GT model with a TA package or a TA group. So completely incorrect for anyone to refer to any of them as real TA versus fake TA.

The bottom line is everyone should enjoy what they selected and not try to diminish that which others selected. The manufacturer really couldn't have cared less about the group versus package other than the sales and return. Design, engineering and marketing all make decisions to maximize sales and profit potential, as that is the bottom line, and the creation of groups and packages is one tool to maximize sales and margin.

We have actually had this same circle over the years, nothing new here. You're incorrect about the package applied to the SRT only as there are 3 package cars that are not SRT's but actually GTC's. Donk's old car being one of them. The sticker is in the thread. We all know the TA is not a model but a SE. Not trying to diminish your car at all, you have always taken this info so personal. I'm simply passing along facts from the FCA about the SE cars. My motivation is to prevent a future buyer from having to deal with a mess and even litigation, not to try and down your car.

[ViperSRT]

You are very confusing. A model is a legal description of a vehicle (Make and MODEL, and is designated by the VIN). SE is only a sales descriptor (used in 2017 for example in advertising) and in the case of the TA wasn't even used internally. Internally they were referred to as Limited Editions. As I said there were a few ordering mistakes that went through that should not have happened. Two of them were Canadian and the mistake was because of the differences in the ordering guide that allowed them to occur. I have no idea how the 3rd occurred, but it should also have been an ordering miscue that somehow escaped the order edits. I think I know a little bit more than you about FCA, Chrysler, DaimlerChrysler or any of them, and how the model and sales code systems work. I also have documents for the TA approvals that gives much more insight into what the OEM was contemplating when creating the TA limited editions, and the following TA option group during the GTC time period.

Lastly, I do not take anything from you as FACTS FROM "The" FCA. There is no such entity as The FCA, and I have yet to hear a corporation speak, even though I worked for them for 35 years. People, employees, speak and when it comes to these details there are very few at FCA that were in the know.

[Vipes]

Two of the 3 were built for marketing and used as promotional vehicles. The reason the SE cars were referred to as LE internally was because all of the different SE’s made over the years were always limited. Up until 2015, that was the first year a SE (TA1 and TA2) was made that was not limited. Although not many were made from 15-17 they were limitless had demand been there. The FCA marketing department pitched the TA as a SE, nothing to debate there unless you’re claiming false advertising and I dont know of any SE’s that aren’t numbered. On the flip side you’d be claiming a numbered car that isn’t a SE, which doesn’t make any sense. If you have some inside documents then you should know exactly why the option group was not designated as a TA, why SE numbered plaques were not included, why the stills were labeled GT and why the moroney lacked the large TA designation in the upper left.

[ACRSNK]

Still not sure what the debate is here because its actually pretty simple the car is a special edition if the factory said so if not its just a regular car ordered with certain options pretty basic concept to grasp and should not be confusing for anyone

[ViperJon]

This thread was started to track the (159) 2014 TA's and their owners who are present here and has gone hilariously off track.
If it wasn't made in 2014 and doesn't have badging labeling it # of 33 or # of 93 with matching VIN it's not a special edition TA1. Sorry.

[Special Ed]

This thread was started to track the (159) 2014 TA's and their owners who are present here and has gone hilariously off track.
If it wasn't made in 2014 and doesn't have badging labeling it # of 33 or # of 93 with matching VIN it's not a special edition TA1. Sorry.

John FCA refered to the 2014 TA's as limited edition (as in only 159 produced) and the TA.2 as special edition (as in numbered with no restriction to the number produced)

[SRT_BluByU]

Correct.. the numbered TA’s are special editions ta’s (numbered dash plaque and fender sticker). All other TA’s arent numbered but are TA’s non the less.. there is no real or fake TA between group or package cars. Only real or fake special numbered cars if someone was to put a fake numbered badge on the dash and fender sticker.

[MoparJohn]

If it’s got the TA option, it’s a TA in my book Lol. Yes the car has every option i could think of plus the full Venzano interior. I couldn’t have spec’ed it better myself, which is probably why i bought it. Thanks guys I appreciate it.

You couldn't have asked for a better cared for Viper. Tony did a great job on the interior for Brian. Congratulations on your purchase

[Vipes]

Correct.. the numbered TA’s are special editions ta’s (numbered dash plaque and fender sticker). All other TA’s arent numbered but are TA’s non the less.. there is no real or fake TA between group or package cars. Only real or fake special numbered cars if someone was to put a fake numbered badge on the dash and fender sticker.

Sorry but there are no other TA’s that are not SE’s, see above for more details.

[serpent]

This thread was started to track the (159) 2014 TA's and their owners who are present here and has gone hilariously off track.
If it wasn't made in 2014 and doesn't have badging labeling it # of 33 or # of 93 with matching VIN it's not a special edition TA1. Sorry.

Exactly, the matching vin says it all. They always empathize this during the mecum and barret jackson auctions. In this case the vin matches with the limited production car. These cars are already limited, it's just these TA cars have specifically designed vin numbers to match how many they've built. Theres a reason TA cars, especially Orange TA (no not sand colored yorange), are fetching over 100k now. A regular srt can be had for 70s, even the GTS cars are in the 80s, well below the 2014 TAs.

[Voice of Reason]

I just want to say I’m quite proud of myself. Not because I’ve grown more accepting of fake TAs in my old age but because I resisted calling them fake TAs during the bi-annual argument of non TA owners this week.

[Bruce H.]

^Haha...personal improvement, gotta like it!

[SRT_BluByU]

The limited edition cars are the numbered cars.. GTC TA don't have the plaque.. same as ACR-Es and GTC ACR-E’s.. its the equipment that makes the car not the stick/plaque.

[Trainerdave]

Real TA cars have the matching vin to number on the dash plate

[Trainerdave]

The limited edition cars are the numbered cars.. GTC TA don't have the plaque.. same as ACR-Es and GTC ACR-E’s.. its the equipment that makes the car not the stick/plaque.

Everyone knows the real,ACR-E’s are faster than the GTC ACR-E’s LOL!

[SRT_BluByU]

Limited Edition TA cars have the matching vin to number on the dash plate

Fixed

...And a fender sticker also!

[James]

Sorry for asking, but I'm curious. I've read about 159 TAs in 2014 in this thread, but always thought it's only 93 numbered cars. So what's with the 159?

[ViperJon]

Sorry for asking, but I'm curious. I've read about 159 TAs in 2014 in this thread, but always thought it's only 93 numbered cars. So what's with the 159?

33 in white, 33 in black and 93 in Orange numbered cars with matching VIN's in 2014.