red 2017 ACR E on BAT low mile

[Whiskey]

Bargain, maybe. But a GTS is not a TA.

I wouldn't be cross-shopping them.

Even at a track with a minor sway bar swap a typical novice will pull lap times that virtually identical. Maybe 0.3-0.5sec/lap on a med sized track.

[StrokerAce]

Bargain, maybe. But a GTS is not a TA.

I wouldn't be cross-shopping them.

If I was to leave stock? Absolute go with the TA but I have modified almost every car I've owned. If I am able to modify with better than stock parts for less than buying the next performance versions up I generally go that route. Granted it still isn't a TA.

This isn't because I have a GTS, I was going to buy any Gen V that met my various criteria.

[13COBRA]

Even at a track with a minor sway bar swap a typical novice will pull lap times that virtually identical. Maybe 0.3-0.5sec/lap on a med sized track.

It's still not a TA...

If I was to leave stock? Absolute go with the TA but I have modified almost every car I've owned. If I am able to modify with better than stock parts for less than buying the next performance versions up I generally go that route. Granted it still isn't a TA.

This isn't because I have a GTS, I was going to buy any Gen V that met my various criteria.

I don't disagree with you.

[Whiskey]

It's still not a TA...

TA isn't that great. It's the Z51 suspension package of the Viper world. That pretty much puts it into perspective.

[commandomatt]

TA isn't that great. It's the Z51 suspension package of the Viper world. That pretty much puts it into perspective.

....but what about those stickers ?? Surely they play a part as well.

[Policy Limits]

Yes. Aesthetic & functional. Funny. But they really did change the Stryker logo to a decal to save as much weight as possible lol. They whipped that car up in a hurry when a previous generation ZR1 was performing better. But then the ACR Extreme crushed them all...

[Bryan Savage]

When did the rear brake cooling ducts go away on the ACR-Es? Was it an order delete or did FCA just stop installing them? Or just never installed on the GTC cars?

As far as I know, all ACR-E's have the rear brake cooling ducts?

I just didn't see them in the pictures of the rear compartment on this car(I still don't). Maybe I'm due for new glasses.

All Vipers have the rear brake cooling ducts.

Prepare for another argument...

This car is a GTC with the ACR and Extreme Aero packages. It is not a "real" ACR.

Real ACR cars have a "C" as the seventh digit in the VIN. GTC cars have a "D". The ACR cars come with "Delete Speakers" and "Delete Rear Cargo Floor Covering" line items, exposing the rear brake ducting that all Gen V cars have. It's just covered up with the normal interior.

As stated, Gerry Wood bought up a bunch of the last 1-of-1 cars and basically checked every option box. They're pretty cool, but they're not a special edition the way the Dealer Edition cars were a special edition.

Still a cool car and cool color, and a good purchase for someone's showroom.

[serpent]

Whats the highest an ACR-E has sold for?

[Patentlaw]

I bought a 2014 Jag F-Type R with 10k for roughly $42k. A couple weeks ago one sold on BAT with 20k miles for +$50k. Same year twice the miles although it had a few more options. Was that a fluke? Not sure. It could be there are people like me who wouldn't buy the AWD model which limits you to 2014 and 2015. There aren't very many out there.

You did your homework. The 2014 RWD model is the one to get. No nannies. RWD. Don't let the dealer apply any software updates to "quiet" the sound of the car. Specifically ask that it not be done. The are appreciating in value. Heck.....even XKs are holding their value.

Some F Types were 1 of 1. You start getting into rare colors and verts......prices go up lots. List of rarity on one of the Jag forums. Pretty interesting.

[Ronin47]

Whats the highest an ACR-E has sold for?

280k if i remember correctly.

[SRT_BluByU]

TA isn't that great. It's the Z51 suspension package of the Viper world. That pretty much puts it into perspective.

I think the track record at Laguna Seca the TA established when it came out would disagree with that opinion. But ya know the old adage of opinions and belly buttons....

[Scott_in_fl]

Looks like this car is currently bidding $220k with 6 hours to go. This could get very interesting.

[Meowzee]

Prepare for another argument...

This car is a GTC with the ACR and Extreme Aero packages. It is not a "real" ACR.

Real ACR cars have a "C" as the seventh digit in the VIN. GTC cars have a "D". The ACR cars come with "Delete Speakers" and "Delete Rear Cargo Floor Covering" line items, exposing the rear brake ducting that all Gen V cars have. It's just covered up with the normal interior.

As stated, Gerry Wood bought up a bunch of the last 1-of-1 cars and basically checked every option box. They're pretty cool, but they're not a special edition the way the Dealer Edition cars were a special edition.

Still a cool car and cool color, and a good purchase for someone's showroom.

So if we go by what you are saying then this would be a true ACR since the 7th digit is a “C”. If thats the case why the GTC’s with ACR and extreme package demand higher premium?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...Type=spotlight

[Scott_in_fl]

Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

[RCR88]

Starting to think my guess of 256k is not going to be high enough.

[ViperNC]

I've been on a roll lately guessing BaT Viper auctions. C'mon $275K!

[RT SERPENT]

I've been on a roll lately guessing BaT Viper auctions. C'mon $275K!

LOL!! Awesome This is like watching the Kentucky Derby!

[Whiskey]

Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

Perhaps a GTC that has GTS Laguna interior coupled with the ACR-E aero then mix in a one-of-one color combo...is the most sought after? If I was looking to collect a Viper...that would be what I wanted.

[Pappy]

Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

"Measurable margin"? I'm not sure $185K (BAT) for a 10,000 mile 2016 Bondurant ACR and $269.5K for the silver 2016 ACR (BJ) is exactly getting "outpriced" by the GTC cars. Some of the SEs are truly special and in a class of their own, and the 1-of-1 cars were certainly more valuable to the one that ordered them - and perhaps to other individuals with similar tastes.

[Scott_in_fl]

Perhaps a GTC that has GTS Laguna interior coupled with the ACR-E aero then mix in a one-of-one color combo...is the most sought after? If I was looking to collect a Viper...that would be what I wanted.

Yeah, those odd combinations are pretty neat and obviously very, very unique. Big dollars for those cars going forward.

"Measurable margin"? I'm not sure $185K (BAT) for a 10,000 mile 2016 Bondurant ACR and $269.5K for the silver 2016 ACR (BJ) is exactly getting "outpriced" by the GTC cars. Some of the SEs are truly special and in a class of their own, and the 1-of-1 cars were certainly more valuable to the one that ordered them - and perhaps to other individuals with similar tastes.

Pappy, I agree that the numbers are what they are. If they show that the "C" VINs are re-selling for more than the "D" VINs, then I stand corrected. I did not believe that to be the case.

[13COBRA]

Will there be a last minute spike or not...

[jwalk]

Nope

[Bryan Savage]

So if we go by what you are saying then this would be a true ACR since the 7th digit is a “C”. If thats the case why the GTC’s with ACR and extreme package demand higher premium?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...Type=spotlight

Clearly, there's not a lot of people that care about having a "real" ACR. I don't think the GTC ACRs suffer any performance, for as far as I know, there are no differences in aero, gearbox, suspension, or engine. The fact that you could have all of the performance but also have all of the comfort too by ordering a GTC ACR could explain why, for now, they may command a higher premium.

Meowzee, Bryan is just messing with you. The car that is the topic of this thread is a "D" VIN, which is the GTC. And you are correct that the GTC's have thus far been outpricing the non-GTC cars on resale by a measurable margin, which means that the "real ACR" argument has no merit. I don't expect that to change in the future.

It's an interesting discussion. In the long game, I think the purest, highest-performing, car with the fewest option boxes checked will likely command a higher premium. If the goal is rarity and true performance, the barest-bones ACR-E will be the most valued car in the long run. Dodge didn't set the track records with a GTC. Looking at the options checked on a lot of the GTCs, the only record up for grabs here was who could have the highest-priced car.

Historically, a super low-production volume car, or an accidental factory one-off or screw-up, were usually the most desired cars decades later. When every car is a one-of-one, there are so many ones-of-one that I think only a few cars will end up truly special. The Viper is only out of print for four years after all. Let's see what happens in thirty years.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ Excellent analysis.

Yes, there is a good argument for the bare bones "racers" to be the eventual holy grail but only time will tell as the current trend would need to change.

[Policy Limits]

2017 models will command higher values than 2016 ones. GTC ACR-E SE cars are and will remain King Snakes. I've been predicting this since summer of 2016, nearly 1/2 decade ago in solidarity. Just think of how laughable it sounds now to picture one selling for less than 200k. That wasn't the sentiment when they debuted. The naysayers opined that they just had different paint and that they were contrived as special. Turns out they were labeled special by the manufacturer for a reason.