ACR at Barrett Jackson this Saturday

[ViperJon]

I'd suggest they're all collectible but among the ACR-E variants the GT-C is the more livable one to drive and the base ACR-E the one to track.

Sounds right but actually it's nonsense. There is barely 30-40 pounds difference between them, less than the weight of two random drivers. They could have removed those items from the cars they ran at the 'Ring and still been factory correct but they knew the difference was negligible and not worth the effort. They were cheaper with about a 132K MSRP. Thats all they offered.

[Policy Limits]

Yeah id rather lose 30 lbs from my person than have a crappy battery, a crappy stereo system, etc. I even ran my "heavy" GTS model on a race track several times and ít kept great pace with the ferraris, GT3 RS cars, etc.

[Bruce H.]

It'll be interesting to see how values go over the years, particularly the high dollar auction sales to collectors who won't drive them. I wouldn't bet too heavily against the so called "real" ACR-E that set all those records. Will that distinction add as much or more value than the various and numerous special editions and 1 of 1 cars? I know why most original buyers preferred to buy and drive the higher optioned cars, but for the most part they won't be the ones paying the big money going forward...at least I wouldn't think so.

[SharpMan]

It'll be interesting to see how values go over the years, particularly the high dollar auction sales to collectors who won't drive them. I wouldn't bet too heavily against the so called "real" ACR-E that set all those records. Will that distinction add as much or more value than the various and numerous special editions and 1 of 1 cars? I know why most original buyers preferred to buy and drive the higher optioned cars, but for the most part they won't be the ones paying the big money going forward...at least I wouldn't think so.

Thank you. That's all I'm saying.

[Policy Limits]

Numbered, Special Edition, 25th Anniversary cars are the next Heritage Edition Ford GT.

[John19]

IMO some of the amazing colors being worn by 1 of 1 cars will bring big $$ in an auction setting as well. If auction bidders fall in love with a particular custom color, this will drive the price up substantially.

[Arizona Vipers]

Fire your accountant.

Believe me.

Is the seller's fee 10% as well? If so, hammer price was $209K, and the seller got $188K? And paid about $165K with tax 3-4 years ago? So he made $23K with $165K tied up for 4 years? You think that's a great return and telling me I need a new account. lmfao
I've got a bone stock ACR too,I'm just as glad to see prices holding steady as anyone, but I've got no illusions that it's a good investment. I think you'd be surprised with what a lot of the members on this forum could do with $165K in 4 years time, a lot more than $23K. This is why I drive mine and it's currently a holder of 7 Nasa track records, more than any other car in the country. The fun I've had with this car is worth more than $23K.

[Policy Limits]

You incorrectly stated thêres a 1.5% return. So ít was wrong to tell you to fire your accountant; instead go back to economics class. The car doubled in value inside of 30 months and will continue to climb úp. Worth 1/4 Mill today, 1/2 Mill in the near future.

[Arizona Vipers]

You incorrectly stated thêres a 1.5% return. So ít was wrong to tell you to fire your accountant; instead go back to economics class. The car doubled in value inside of 30 months and will continue to climb úp. Worth 1/4 Mill today, 1/2 Mill in the near future.

You're absolutely wrong (mod edit). He paid $165K, he got $188K how is that double what he paid?

[Bruce H.]

[RT SERPENT]

I'll add to this thread just to keep the controversy going. lol!

When one uses the word "real," implying that GTC's are "not real" ACR's, you lose your credibility.
I've seen a few ads from sellers trying to pull this one off.

FCA/Dodge didn't do it, and despite what some might think, THEY are the creator of the ACR and THEY are the authority.
JMHO which FCA seems to agree with.

[John19]

[ACRSNK]

Is the seller's fee 10% as well? If so, hammer price was $209K, and the seller got $188K? And paid about $165K with tax 3-4 years ago? So he made $23K with $165K tied up for 4 years? You think that's a great return and telling me I need a new account. lmfao
I've got a bone stock ACR too,I'm just as glad to see prices holding steady as anyone, but I've got no illusions that it's a good investment. I think you'd be surprised with what a lot of the members on this forum could do with $165K in 4 years time, a lot more than $23K. This is why I drive mine and it's currently a holder of 7 Nasa track records, more than any other car in the country. The fun I've had with this car is worth more than $23K.

I see what you are saying about what the seller ultimately got for the car, but what is more telling is what a Buyer was willing to pay. We should all be happy that these values continue to climb.

I do agree that the fun factor with these cars is priceless. Absolute blast to drive and every time you get behind the wheel you know you are in something truly special.

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How did you score your car? Did you buy it directly from Brad Wood?

[Racingswh]

I'll add to this thread just to keep the controversy going. lol!

When one uses the word "real," implying that GTC's are "not real" ACR's, you lose your credibility.
I've seen a few ads from sellers trying to pull this one off.

FCA/Dodge didn't do it, and despite what some might think, THEY are the creator of the ACR and THEY are the authority.
JMHO which FCA seems to agree with.

It looks like that's what Barrett Jackson did with the car they sold unless I am not reading it correctly? This was taken from the ad. "This 2017 ACR is an original factory ACR car, not an ACR-optioned car. This ACR is heavily optioned and it shows with its original MSRP of $153,635." Does that read to you like Barrett Jackson is taking the position that the GTC's are ACR optioned cars and not real ACR's? I have no idea who writes the ads but I thought that was interesting.

For those that don't think 20-30 pounds makes a difference they obviously don't take part in any form of competitive racing. Given equally talented drivers common sense tells us that the car/driver combination that is lighter accelerates quicker, carries more corner speed and ultimately puts down quicker lap times. For many of us who are fairly competitive this happens to carry some importance. If possible I would rather my combination be 30 pounds lighter and edge my competitor out by the depth of my splitter.

As far as value I am please that they are all pretty stable in price. The fact that it hasn't gone down dramatically in value and is still covered by a warranty makes it far and away the cheapest car I have ever owned excluding of course the opportunity cost of having the money tied up in the car.

[Policy Limits]

You're absolutely wrong (mod edit). He paid $165K, he got $188K how is that double what he paid?

Will compare IQ test results any time. "The car" was in reference to the car in gẻneral and not the orange one that the buyer paid $229k for. Either way your 1.5% gain logic is flawed.

[Policy Limits]

I'll add to this thread just to keep the controversy going. lol!

When one uses the word "real," implying that GTC's are "not real" ACR's, you lose your credibility.
I've seen a few ads from sellers trying to pull this one off.

FCA/Dodge didn't do it, and despite what some might think, THEY are the creator of the ACR and THEY are the authority.
JMHO which FCA seems to agree with.

Exactly. Viper Jon owned both and played the role ồf both buyer & seller with respect to the 16 Extreme. The GTC ACR-E turned out to be the more desireable car by far.

[Bruce H.]

Exactly. Viper Jon owned both and played the role ồf both buyer & seller with respect to the 16 Extreme. The GTC ACR-E turned out to be the more desireable car by far.

I'm not sure we should use Viper Jon's record of Viper ownership, or any other owner's, as indicative of what future collectors will do.

[GTS-E]

Will compare IQ test results any time. "The car" was in reference to the car in gẻneral and not the orange one that the buyer paid $229k for. Either way your 1.5% gain logic is flawed.

An IQ test clearly doesn't measure ones class. It's individuals like you that drive the others away from wanting to be involved in these forums.

[ViperGeorge]

Will compare IQ test results any time. "The car" was in reference to the car in gẻneral and not the orange one that the buyer paid $229k for. Either way your 1.5% gain logic is flawed.

Why does this forum always degrade into personal attacks? I've been the recipient of such attacks and it makes me want to just say F' it and call it quits. Just read any thread about checking oil levels and you'll know what I mean. We all love the Viper, why isn't that enough? This site is to share information and ideas not to attack fellow enthusiasts. I have shared information that I've gotten directly from SRT engineers yet I am often crucified for it. This is crazy. Why do some people think that they are the only ones with the truth? We don't have to attack each other. I don't want to hear "He started it". Let's grow up and as my mom would say "two wrongs don't make a right".

Somehow value threads always generate heated debates that go too far. Why can't we just be happy that the Viper's value is holding up for now? As some has said who gives a rat's ass anyway? I own Vipers because I love the car, I belong to a great club that has great events, and I could care less if my car is worth more than I paid for it. I didn't buy it for an investment, that would be crazy. I drive and track mine. If I want to mod it I do. I have over 20,000 miles on each of them including my ACR/TA which some would say should be an investment. I say bull$hit, drive it like you stole it and enjoy life. Let's move on.

[jrubin80]

Well spoken George. Everyone one of us that owns an Gen V ACR of any form, can happily track them 30 days per year or more and that is what the car was made for. And at this point, despite driving them as hard as they can be, we don’t have to worry about the values going down, so it’s a small bonus.

[catwood]

I can tell you this. I'm back into an ACR-E and didn't pay auction prices. Sorry to you all that expected to get billions. Since I bought the run is over

[RedTanRT/10]

Viper George, I'm with you buddy, these heated debate value threads just kill me. For all the folks that think they made the brilliant financial move by buying a G5 ACR, the folks here that bought Amazon, Tesla, Zoom, etc. etc. are laughing their asses off!! Their also the folks that could care less if they pay $50k over list to buy a nice used one since they've made a killing in the market and if they lose $50k on their Viper or any other fun car resale, they don't care!

ACR vs. ACR-E, another laughable group of posts!!! Some of these folks really need to stay with their day job!! Either way they're great Vipers.


Catwood, did you really buy another ACR??? You are serial crazy and I'm sure I'll see you pacing back and forth while you debate is that ACR too pretty and valuable to track!!!

[Viper Girl]

For the love of all things Viper... Can't we all just get along?

Value threads
Oil threads
Best Color threads
Best Year threads
Hell... Any thread!

Do unto others... strike a bell there guys? Save the trash talk for other brands at the track.

Just an idea...

[John19]

I see what you are saying about what the seller ultimately got for the car, but what is more telling is what a Buyer was willing to pay. We should all be happy that these values continue to climb.

I do agree that the fun factor with these cars is priceless. Absolute blast to drive and every time you get behind the wheel you know you are in something truly special.

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How did you score your car? Did you buy it directly from Brad Wood?

I did purchase from Brad. Long story short I called GW Dodge and asked if they knew of anyone willing to sell a Viper. The salesman must have contacted Brad and asked if he would sell and the rest is history. This is my first Viper and I must say these cars are something special. I feel very lucky to have had the opportunity on this particular Viper given its history and the fact that it was never titled until I purchased.

[Fourtrax250r]

We need a Gen 6, there is nothing to talk about anymore besides “value threads” and “ACR vs. GTC ACR” etc... no question the car is amazing and exclusive, but IMO if and when SRT gives us a Gen 6 snake, our Gen V-s will be for sale all over.