More Lunacy for California

[Patentlaw]

I guess it is good that we have "old" Vipers...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...?ocid=msedgntp

Will it be done?....of course not.....but people are trying...

[Bryan Savage]

Any politician that is pushing to mandate anything that won't take effect for 15-20 years is an idiot. They are only trying to drum up popularity points and headlines today. They've no concern about what 2035 is going to be like.

Many people are buying electric cars right now because they want to. In fifteen more years, with zero intervention by any government, all new car sales might be electric anyway. The mandates do nothing. They're totally unnecessary and pointless.

Don't even get me started on the complete fake news campaign that is the climate change "crisis".

[Devix]

Any politician that is pushing to mandate anything that won't take effect for 15-20 years is an idiot. They are only trying to drum up popularity points and headlines today. They've no concern about what 2035 is going to be like.

Many people are buying electric cars right now because they want to. In fifteen more years, with zero intervention by any government, all new car sales might be electric anyway. The mandates do nothing. They're totally unnecessary and pointless.

Don't even get me started on the complete fake news campaign that is the climate change "crisis".

I totally agree with you. If electric is the future (and I think it is), the transition will just be a matter of time, with or without politicians. When EVs become better and cheaper than ICE cars, people will just buy them. That's it.

[TrackAire]

The biggest joke about going all "EV" is the total amount of pollution and costs to consumers to change our infrastructure to be able to handle that much current flow would cost trillions and create more pollution in the next 15 years than what electric cars could "save" in 50 years. Ever wonder what it takes to make an infrastructure capable of moving that much amperage every day?.....Think digging up nearly every road and running cables and connections to be able to run more current capability. Giant earth moving equipment, traffic jambs, noise pollution, etc. Just think back when your internet provider put fiber optic cable into your neighborhood...now multiple that by 1000.

Where are we going to get the extra electrical energy?.....if every car on the road is consuming approximately 15000 watts on average, just multiply that by the number of cars you see and that is how much electrical generation needs to be developed. Solar is out of the questions as it would take a solar field about 3 miles wide and 2500 miles long to power our needs. And solar panels decline with age and wear out (I think current units last about 25 years). The only feasible answer is nuclear and we know that will never happen. Electricity cannot be "stored"....unlike gasoline and diesel which means you have to have constant energy being produced into the grid at all times.

The biggest fallacy is that modern cars are "polluting"....the amount of pollution that is put out by a modern IC engine is almost unmeasurable once the cats fire off. Notice in states where you have to have your car smog checked, they don't even use a sniffer test on newer cars? Todays cars produce heat and water vapor. CO2 emissions are being produces, but I'm still not convinced if it is effecting our eco system when you look at the parts per million in the upper atmosphere when comparing back in 20 year increments. A couple of big forest fires will produce more CO2 emissions than all newer cars (less than 15 years old) in California will produce in 5 years.

Nothing has come close to beating the efficiency and BTU's of petroleum when dealing with vehicle logistics. If it costs less dollars per mile to drive an IC vehicle and it is essentially blowing zero tailpipe emissions, where is the gain?

I am a huge believer in EV's but they are not efficient in all conditions....in city and stop and go driving, they are awesome. Once they get over 50 mph, a modern small displacement IC engine is more efficient. 15 years from now you'll still see IC vehicles being sold in California and more EV's as a functional equilibrium will be attained.

[TheMadMachinist]

This state sucks and our governor is a moron.

I can't wait until I will be able to move.

[Coloviper]

This state sucks and our governor is a moron.

I can't wait until I will be able to move.

Literally that is almost the statement for every state these days, well maybe except South Dakota. She has bigger balls than almost every other governor out there, and I do mean that in the most professional way.

Newsome, we should be thanking him. What a complete stupid statement to make 1 month before the election. I mean while just in California (and probably Colorado given our idiot governor pronounced a cum along clause for Colorado with California), people across the county on the fence are looking at this and well, I am sure are going to make the "right" choice in secrecy.

Newsome and the sparkle sock wearers have absolutely no clue what it takes to open up all the rare earth mines to that production. Hell it will be 10 years in permitting let alone the actual mine to open up. Then look at the Power Transmission and Distribution system. That does not happen in a year or two or even 15. Meanwhile keep suiting the utility providing that power, while telling them they have to build out and "green" and quick because that is the green new deal. Build before analyzing anything for the number. Just do it.

There is not enough solar, wind power and unicorn farts to power EVs to that level. Will need SMR Nucs and NG Peakers but the State has come out against anything with Oil or Natural Gas.

What they need to do is attack them at their own game. Start calculating the carbon footprint from the mineral source to manufacturer and manufacture to sale AND the eventual vehicle and battery disposal in the carbon footprint calc. Won't look so high and mighty then. These people want to be so much like European countries, well they can move there. I might even paddle the canoe for them on the ride over, one way.

I am not against Europeans but the governments live in fantasy land. I am not against EVs as I have a Rivian pre-ordered and looking very forward to it for the performance and innovation. I am not selling my Vipers and other ICE (stupid acronym term) vehicles to comply. I mean EVs will get better but so will regular old gas and diesel vehicles. Our country is too expansive to just have EVs. It will take 100 years to build out to those EV%s of use and same argument can be made for the rare earth mines. There is only so much of that in the earth. Even less than Oil hence the term rare earth mineral.

Country has gone too soft for too long. What happened to America the brave, the strong? And I moved here 24 years ago from Canada. I don't even recognize that country I was born and raised in for 23 years. Prime Minister Sprinkles has turned it into one large Drama Play production. This is all like a re-occurring stress dream now, where each night you have it, it gets a little more bizarre.

[SRT_BluByU]

Florida is paradise.. thankfully!

[SA Heat]

It's amazing the number of people who bitch about California (and other liberal-run states) politics and the problems it causes, move to Texas to escape it, and then vote for the same type of political figures they were bitching about. We see it constantly here.

[drewsss]

It's amazing the number of people who bitch about California (and other liberal-run states) politics and the problems it causes, move to Texas to escape it, and then vote for the same type of political figures they were bitching about. We see it constantly here.

It's happening here in Arizona too. What used to be a glorious red state is now turning purple, thanks to the steady influx of liberal fruits, nuts and flakes.

[TrackAire]

My biggest problem with moving away from NorCal is not being able to track at Laguna Seca, Thunderhill, Sonoma or Buttonwillow. As a young person growing up in NorCal, driving those tracks was my dream and now I'm doing it and trying to average 12 track days a year. Giving that up completely would be tough.

I've actually been contemplating on a way to keep a one car, truck and trailer in NorCal and just to fly in 7 or 8 times a year if I retire to somewhere like Montana. Maybe rent some garage space in a friends warehouse, etc.

[SA Heat]

It's happening here in Arizona too. What used to be a glorious red state is now turning purple, thanks to the steady influx of liberal fruits, nuts and flakes.

Madness. FWIW, I love Arizona and visit there as often as I can.

[TheMadMachinist]

It's amazing the number of people who bitch about California (and other liberal-run states) politics and the problems it causes, move to Texas to escape it, and then vote for the same type of political figures they were bitching about. We see it constantly here.

This is interesting.

Is this something you yourself have quantified and if so how so?

Or is this merely your opinion.

Just wondering is all.

[RedTanRT/10]

We tax payers in CA have bigger issues than his publicity stunt with mandatory EV's in '35.

But on another note, the new 3 battery Tesla Model S just ran a 1:30.3 at Laguna Seca with a pro driver (using Michelin Pilot sports) , Pobst did a 1:28.65 in an ACR. That Tesla probably weights 1,000 more than the ACR.

[SRT_BluByU]

And can probably do it for exactly one lap. Ha

[TrackAire]

And can probably do it for exactly one lap. Ha

I watched the video and did a side by side comparison with other cars and even the previous "fast" Tesla.....95% of the time gained is from its massive acceleration between corners and it was 10 to 25 mph faster at each braking point.

Assuming the battery was made from Superman's testicles and could go on forever, I don't think the tires could last much more than 2 or 3 laps due to the weight of the car....and I honestly have doubts if this was a full weight production car.

[SRT_BluByU]

I watched the video and did a side by side comparison with other cars and even the previous "fast" Tesla.....95% of the time gained is from its massive acceleration between corners and it was 10 to 25 mph faster at each braking point.

Assuming the battery was made from Superman's testicles and could go on forever, I don't think the tires could last much more than 2 or 3 laps due to the weight of the car....and I honestly have doubts if this was a full weight production car.

Little tires, brakes, and heavy weight dont do good on track for more than a hero lap or two..

[USAFPILOT]

The biggest problem in TX is California liberals moving here and trying to turn us blue. If they manage to do it, our country is going down the drain.

[99RT10]

The biggest problem in TX is California liberals moving here and trying to turn us blue. If they manage to do it, our country is going down the drain.

If you shoot the commie Kali's as soon as they arrive, they will stop coming................... Just saying

[Patentlaw]

The biggest problem in TX is California liberals moving here and trying to turn us blue. If they manage to do it, our country is going down the drain.

I am living in the middle of it. I live in a county called Fort Bend county. Most have never heard of it. You will....however.

Fort Bend county is expected to go from a population of 600k to 2.5 million in the next 10 years. Fort Bend will have more people than Chicago proper.

The number of people moving in is literally scary. Huge numbers are coming in from all over the world. It is literally an invasion. What ever candidate wins Fort Bend County and neighboring Harris County (Houston) will control Texas. They all want jobs....and with the pandemic, there are none. Crime is rising to amazing levels.

[TheMadMachinist]

Don't even get me started on how the city planners have in some places removed a whole lane on some streets only to install a wider bike lane. The latest is changing most intersections so there are no right turn lanes and you must go thru the intersection and wait thru the light just to turn right. They think they can make this city a Bicycle Utopia as the population has doubled in the last few years and the streets are getting smaller.
Then there is the state that is pretty much removing the commuter lane and the lane next to it on most freeways only to replace it with a single pay lane. The electronics alone must coats a fortune and we as tax payers already paid for the two lanes they tore out in the first place. I have seen on a "five mile stretch" that is already completed the price change from Two or Three dollars to as high as Eighteen dollars and the lane sits empty with all the other lanes at almost a stand still during rush hours. This isn't about easing traffic, it's about revenue. With a state sales tax approaching 10% and I believe we already pay like a dollar more a gallon for gas than most of the rest of the country and you don't even want to know how high property tax's are around here that is if you could even afford to buy a home. Here I thought things were bad when we had Arnold for a governor. Now we have Pelosi's nephew for a governor and he is a complete idiot.
Sorry about the rant but I could go on and on.

[TrackAire]

Don't even get me started on how the city planners have in some places removed a whole lane on some streets only to install a wider bike lane. The latest is changing most intersections so there are no right turn lanes and you must go thru the intersection and wait thru the light just to turn right. They think they can make this city a Bicycle Utopia as the population has doubled in the last few years and the streets are getting smaller.
Then there is the state that is pretty much removing the commuter lane and the lane next to it on most freeways only to replace it with a single pay lane. The electronics alone must coats a fortune and we as tax payers already paid for the two lanes they tore out in the first place. I have seen on a "five mile stretch" that is already completed the price change from Two or Three dollars to as high as Eighteen dollars and the lane sits empty with all the other lanes at almost a stand still during rush hours. This isn't about easing traffic, it's about revenue. With a state sales tax approaching 10% and I believe we already pay like a dollar more a gallon for gas than most of the rest of the country and you don't even want to know how high property tax's are around here that is if you could even afford to buy a home. Here I thought things were bad when we had Arnold for a governor. Now we have Pelosi's nephew for a governor and he is a complete idiot.
Sorry about the rant but I could go on and on.

It's not a rant if it is reality. Bureaucrats have to find a way to justify their jobs and more importantly, create enough tax revenue to pay their inflated incomes and then their crazy pensions. Essentially a lot of government employees will retire with at least 90% of their final yearly income plus good benefits. This a totally an unsustainable economic scheme....actually it is a pyramid scheme. I do expect it to crash down in my lifetime and end up like Greece. I can't wait.