ACR E Pricing

[CarbonDan]

Looking to finally add an ACR-E to the stable.
What's the consensus on these forums regarding pricing?
What kind of price is reasonable for something like a 2017 1-2k miles, extreme aero, stripes and a ~$130k MSRP?

Are people actually paying over MSRP or is that wishful thinking on the part of sellers?

[commandomatt]

[zee]

I just picked up an ACR E and well spec’d examples with low miles were selling close to MSRP from what I noticed. There are always deals out there but the challenge is finding the spec you want at that deal. There are just not that many ACR-E’s to choose from in the market right now. If you don’t really care about color, options, etc you can definitely find a deal especially this time of the year but overall, these cars are holding tremendous value. G luck in your search!

[zee]

I am laughing. CarbonDan asked about an ACR-E and ZEE answered with his GTC ACR-E.

Why is that funny?

[RedTanRT/10]

Carbon, an E with stripes list closer to $140k. Asking prices for 1-2k mile cars seem to all be at or over list price, with special additions or real unique a whole lot more over list

Prices have held strong, only real discounted E models have 10k plus miles. Good luck

[Martin]

I was offered $180k for mine at the end of summer, but I wasn't willing to sell. That's one data point.

[Steve M]

Why is that funny?

Mostly because everyone on the internet knows that a GTC is not a real ACR-E.

And for that matter, anyone that pays anything over $70k for a used Gen 5 Viper is a fool, especially if said Viper has Pep Boys ricer upgrades like a park bench wing.

And now I'll just see myself out of this thread.

[zee]

Mostly because everyone on the internet knows that a GTC is not a real ACR-E.

Lmao, Yes I’ve seen those idiotic debates. So with that logic the GTSR is not a real ACRE? Hilarious.

[CarbonDan]

Thanks for the input guys. I know these price debate threads get beat to death on most exotic/performance car forums.

So the bottom line seems - if I can get one at MSRP with low miles, it's a fair enough deal.
That works for me

I'd love purple with white stripes
or white with blue stripes like Zee's.

[CarbonDan]

Also, regarding specs, what 'Real Unique' options are available or should I be on the lookout for?
I've seen mostly upgraded audio system, exterior carbon package, interior carbon package and that's about the extent of it. Also some bizarre color combos but those can be hit or miss in terms of resale value, in my experience.

[Martin]

You can't go wrong with any of the "limited edition" cars, or the Stryker color cars. The downside to the Stryker colors is that it's a bitch to get fixed if something happens - car would probably need to get shipped back to Prefix. As far as options, interior CF is nice, the 18 speaker system is nice (although anyone can upgrade any speaker setup to the 18 speaker with the upgrade kit). I've heard that the Brass Monkey wheels are a great addition for certain colors (looks awesome with Stryker Purple, most darker blues, and black, in my opinion).

I won't even get into the debate on whether a GTC car is any more or less than a non-GTC car. I will say that a well optioned, rare but desirably colored, GTC ACR-E that's a true "one of one" seems like a no-brainer. I was going to get a regular ACR-E in a standard color just for tracking purposes so I could Garage Queen my Stryker Purple, but budget didn't allow.

[CarbonDan]

^ Your spec is pretty crazy, in a great way!

[catwood]

I have a real E and a real X.

Everything is for sale at the right price to the seller.

Buyers decide if they want to engage.

[Exhlr8n]

Good luck with your search and don't settle for anything less than what you want.

My fully optioned 1 of 1 Stryker Green GTC ACR-E clearly states ACR on the side (See pic). So yes it is a Factory ACR-E (Mic Drop )

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[kriskyk]

[Steve M]

Good luck with your search and don't settle for anything less than what you want.

My fully optioned 1 of 1 Stryker Green GTC ACR-E clearly states ACR on the side (See pic). So yes it is a Factory ACR-E (Mic Drop )

Nope, that's just an ACR. If it was a true ACR-E, the sticker would say so.

[ViperGarageElite]

You seem very imature , GROW UP Merry Christmas

[Mbccenter]

I am thinking the colors you talked about are going to bring a premium over sticker.

[Exhlr8n]

OP, sorry your request for info got side tracked. Once again I hope you find what you are looking for. The cars are truly awesome and I'm sure you will enjoy!

[Dman]

First, welcome to the drama of the gen5 forums, lol.

Enjoy the hunt, best time of year for shopping cars, IMO.

A couple things I’d offer, you my already know them, but in case, to try to be helpful.

Real ACR vs GTC - so, an ACR has a VIN that actually shows it as an ACR. A GTC with the ACR pkg doesn’t have an ACR VIN, but has everything that is an ACR (yes including the sticker, lol) and usually a few more awesome options. So, does it matter .. IMO, nah. Also IMO a GTC is a much better choice, as a straight ACR will make you eventually wanting of a radio (well, speakers for it anyway), and some sound deadening, etc. To a weird collector looking 50 yrs down the road, still, I don’t think so but this is where some people argue it does - I’ll be dead by then so sure doesn’t matter to me.

ACR vs ACR -E. You probably know this, but not all ACRs are extremes. The extreme is higher price and more desired because, well, if you’re going to have an ACR it might as well be extreme as extreme can be. Tell tale sign of the extreme are the front fender vents.

ACR interior and CCM brakes. GTCs could be ordered without the ACR interior, in fact the interior was an option. So there are now more ACRs on the market that can have the GTS interior. So what’s better? Most will say ACR interior, because it’s cool and an ACR trademark. Certainly better for resale. But there is logic to the GTS interior in the ACR, like the 720s Luxury from McLaren, it gives a much more comfy interior. So some like that. Also, Dodge did a deal where when you ordered the ACR interior you got the CCM brakes for free, which was awesome. But it also means if the ACR doesn’t have the ACR interior, and has the GTS interior, it’s 99% likely to not have CCM brakes, and have the TAs instead. Again which some like for cheaper maintenance, but from a resale perspective would be less desirable.

As for prices, the range is yuge as you e seen I’m sure. I’m deciding on what my next viper will be, I’ve been thru a few, including a modded ACR, and have been mildly shopping for a while, I always buy in the winter and sell in spring/summer. But 2 I’ve called on have dropped prices one by $15k and the other $10k, both were over sticker to start though. Steals are long gone, IMO, but fair and good deals aren’t hard to get on great cars. My last 2 gen5s I got great deals on. My last was from a major dealer known for over pricing and I offered and paid waaay under their website price, so don’t shy away from high asking prices. The used 6 figure car market is brutal, financing failures have guys sell a car 2-3 times before they actually close a sale. I “sold” my ACR 4 times before I had a buyer actually materialize the money, and I sold for more than I paid for it.

Have fun shopping. You may find modded cars too, it’s not rare with vipers. If you have questions about pkgs or shops, this a great place to ask also.

I’m biased, prepping for my 6th viper in 20 yrs, but as someone who’s done Porsche to vette tp McLaren, my fav ride remains the viper .. you won’t regret the choice.

[Vipes]

Its pretty epic when a used 3-4 year old car is considered a good deal at original MSRP. Merry Christmas all!

[CarbonDan]

First, welcome to the drama of the gen5 forums, lol.

Enjoy the hunt, best time of year for shopping cars, IMO.

A couple things I’d offer, you my already know them, but in case, to try to be helpful.

Real ACR vs GTC - so, an ACR has a VIN that actually shows it as an ACR. A GTC with the ACR pkg doesn’t have an ACR VIN, but has everything that is an ACR (yes including the sticker, lol) and usually a few more awesome options. So, does it matter .. IMO, nah. Also IMO a GTC is a much better choice, as a straight ACR will make you eventually wanting of a radio (well, speakers for it anyway), and some sound deadening, etc. To a weird collector looking 50 yrs down the road, still, I don’t think so but this is where some people argue it does - I’ll be dead by then so sure doesn’t matter to me.

ACR vs ACR -E. You probably know this, but not all ACRs are extremes. The extreme is higher price and more desired because, well, if you’re going to have an ACR it might as well be extreme as extreme can be. Tell tale sign of the extreme are the front fender vents.

ACR interior and CCM brakes. GTCs could be ordered without the ACR interior, in fact the interior was an option. So there are now more ACRs on the market that can have the GTS interior. So what’s better? Most will say ACR interior, because it’s cool and an ACR trademark. Certainly better for resale. But there is logic to the GTS interior in the ACR, like the 720s Luxury from McLaren, it gives a much more comfy interior. So some like that. Also, Dodge did a deal where when you ordered the ACR interior you got the CCM brakes for free, which was awesome. But it also means if the ACR doesn’t have the ACR interior, and has the GTS interior, it’s 99% likely to not have CCM brakes, and have the TAs instead. Again which some like for cheaper maintenance, but from a resale perspective would be less desirable.

As for prices, the range is yuge as you e seen I’m sure. I’m deciding on what my next viper will be, I’ve been thru a few, including a modded ACR, and have been mildly shopping for a while, I always buy in the winter and sell in spring/summer. But 2 I’ve called on have dropped prices one by $15k and the other $10k, both were over sticker to start though. Steals are long gone, IMO, but fair and good deals aren’t hard to get on great cars. My last 2 gen5s I got great deals on. My last was from a major dealer known for over pricing and I offered and paid waaay under their website price, so don’t shy away from high asking prices. The used 6 figure car market is brutal, financing failures have guys sell a car 2-3 times before they actually close a sale. I “sold” my ACR 4 times before I had a buyer actually materialize the money, and I sold for more than I paid for it.

Have fun shopping. You may find modded cars too, it’s not rare with vipers. If you have questions about pkgs or shops, this a great place to ask also.

I’m biased, prepping for my 6th viper in 20 yrs, but as someone who’s done Porsche to vette tp McLaren, my fav ride remains the viper .. you won’t regret the choice.

Wow fascinating distinctions there, I never knew about any of that.
Thanks for the info!!

For me, I'm set on everything as extreme as it gets - extreme aero and lighter weight options and I fully understand the livability consequences. I have a pretty high tolerance for lack of comfort - I daily drive my 2018 GT3 w/ 6 speed, fixed buckets, etc and look forward to the beating a TRUE "race car for the road" will provide. Lots of cars make that claim, including both my GT3 and ferrari challenge stradale, but the ACR-E is probably the most honest with that claim.

[SharpMan]

Wow fascinating distinctions there, I never knew about any of that.
Thanks for the info!!

For me, I'm set on everything as extreme as it gets - extreme aero and lighter weight options and I fully understand the livability consequences. I have a pretty high tolerance for lack of comfort - I daily drive my 2018 GT3 w/ 6 speed, fixed buckets, etc and look forward to the beating a TRUE "race car for the road" will provide. Lots of cars make that claim, including both my GT3 and ferrari challenge stradale, but the ACR-E is probably the most honest with that claim.

If we're all being serious and unbiased I think we can agree that long term the more rare and more hard core ACR-E with ACR VIN (not GTC ACR-E) will be the more valuable car for what that's worth. There's plenty of precedent to support this.

[Mark1107]

I can’t believe people are saying GTCs aren’t ACRs. So the GTSR special edition isn’t an ACRE?

I’ve put my foot in my mouth on this forum, and apologized publicly, but this takes the cake! All ACREs are ACREs. Jeeeeezus Kanye Krist!

[ACRSNK]

Expect to pay over MSRP for what you are looking for the well optioned low mile examples always are