March 22nd - "Get Your Motor Running" Event

[Brian GTS]

Hello Everyone!

Spring is just around the corner!!! This also usually means it is "preventive maintenance season" for our Vipers. To help, on Saturday, March 22nd from 10:00am - 4:00pm, we will host our "Get Your Motor Running" event to help get your Viper ready to slither through the season!

The event will take place at my home in Raleigh, NC. We will have 2 lifts available to perform oil, differential, transmission, clutch, and brake fluid changes. Our club VP Mike Reeves from Capital Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram in Garner will have their parts man Al Humphries (also a Carolinas VOA Member) on site who will have the appropriate OEM oil filters, differential, clutch, transmission, and brake fluids available for purchase. Otherwise, the only item you need to bring is your choice of motor oil! I believe most are running the Mobil 1 0W-40 formula these days. Below are the estimated oil fill capacities for the various generations (rounded up to the nearest quart):

1992-2002 - ~9 quarts
2003-2014 - ~11 quarts

Of course it never hurts to buy an extra quart!

Mike's dealership has also generously offered to supply a disposal tank on-site and will properly dispose the oil for us. A BIG thank you to Capital Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM in Garner!

I will provide FREE lunch to Carolina VOA members....something along the lines of Pizza and drinks.

Services will be performed on a "first respond, first served" basis! We request that you RSVP for this event so we can be sure we have the adequate supplies and time! Please respond with:

1) The YEAR of your car.
2) Indicate which fluids you would like to have replaced (O-Oil, D-Differential, T-Transmission, C-Clutch, B-Brake). Or, simply reply back with "ALL" if you wish to have everything replaced.
3) Finally, please let us know whether or not you will you be purchasing available fluids "on-site" so we can ensure we have adequate inventory. A simple "YES" if you plan to purchase on-site or "NO" if you plan to purchase them elsewhere will do.

If you do not have any maintenance needs, you may still feel free to attend the event to lend a helping hand or just "hang out" with us. Looking forward to it!

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Brian, Mike, Craig, Seth, & Chris
Your Carolinas VOA Team

[C.J]

Thanks Brian. There is a limited amount of time, so please RSVP so we'll have time to get your Viper on the lift. Also, if you have a service manual for your Viper, please bring that along. I have them for the 2001s, and I think torque settings would be applicable to Gen I/II, not sure about later Gens.

[Brian GTS]

Thanks for mentioning Craig....good tips.

So far, we have the following members who have confirmed attendance:

1) Stan - T
2) Patrick - D, T, B

All fluids will be purchase on-site so far...

[No hemi]

OH how i wish it wasnt so far away!!! , Have fun guys/gals!!!

[Brian GTS]

OH how i wish it wasnt so far away!!! , Have fun guys/gals!!!

Wish you could join us too Angel.

Updated list:

1) Stan - T
2) Patrick - D, T, B
3) Paul - O
4) Janni - Just hanging out and getting dirty.

All fluids will be purchase on-site so far...

[billp]

Bill P - D, T B

[gutterworks129]

2014 TA, oil change, I have all the stuff I need. It will fun putting the TA up on the lift

[C.J]

Just stopped at NAPA today...Their GOLD filters are on sale through March 15...they are 50% off! Got two oil filters for the Viper at $3.11 each. Made by Wix in the USA! NAPA item number 1085.

[C.J]

Janni - Just hanging out and getting dirty.

So, I think you're saying that she'll be visiting and helping out a little...

[SUB SONC]

I would like to change my Transmission fluid, differential, brake and clutch fluid because they are all the same as what rolled off the factory floor in 1996. The factory service manual recommends using Dexron II-E in the transmission. Below is an excerpt from chapter 21 of the factory service manual for a 1996 Dodge Viper.

"The T-56 transmission uses a special type of lubricant called Dexron II-E. This new fluid can withstand higher temperatures than standard Dexron II, Mercon or Mopar 7176 fluid. The use of standard Dexron II, Mercon or Mopar 7176 automatic transmission fluid is not recommended. This is because of the high temperature encountered within the transmission. Hypoid gear lube is not to be used in this transmission. Use of hypoid gar lube will cause hard shifting effort and/or transmission failure."

Below is an excerpt from chapter 3 of the same book:

"All Vipers are equipped with a limited slip differential. Mopar Hypoid Gear Additive should be added if the fluid is replaced. The lubricants recommended for this differential is Mopar High Performance Synthetic Axle Lube SAE 75 W/140 (MS-8985). A container of Mopar Gear Additive (friction modifier) should also be added after a lubricant change. The rear axle on this vehicle receives limited amounts of air flow for cooling. Temperatures within the axle can reach as high as 300 degrees F. Only synthetic axle lube provides optimum protection and durability under extreme temperatures. The use of petroleum based axle lubricants may break down under these conditions. The rear axle fluid capacity is 45 Fl Oz. This includes four ounces of friction modifier.

Factory repair book recommends Mopar Dot 3 brake fluid for clutch and brakes.

[Brian GTS]

Updated List:

1) Stan - T
2) Patrick - D, T, B
3) Paul - O
4) Janni - Just hanging out and getting dirty.
5) Bill - D, T, B
6) Jeremy - O
7) Seth - D, T, B

[C.J]

Seth, I'd go with DOT4 and using the syntorq tranny fluid will work in your '96. I believe the Dexron can cause the neutral gear rattle.

Jeremy, what are you using in the trans of your '96?

[SUB SONC]

TSB# NO: 21-06-98
*PARTS REQUIRED:**

4 of #04874459 Transmission Lubricant, SAE 75W (MS-9070)(Quart)
1 of #04275086 Label, Authorized Modification


M/T - Gear Noise Explanation

NO: 21-06-98

GROUP: Transmission

DATE: Apr. 3, 1998

SUBJECT:
Neutral Gear Rattle With Clutch Engaged

THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 06-01-97 DATED MARCH 14, 1997, WHICH SHOULD BE NOTED IN THE 1997 TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN MANUAL (PUBLICATION NO. 81-699-98004). THE PARTS AND REPAIR PROCEDURE HAVE BEEN CHANGED. ALL CHANGES ARE MARKED WITH **ASTERISKS**.

**MODELS:**
1994 - 1998 (SR) Viper

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:

A light chatter or rattling noise from the clutch housing or transmission area with the clutch engaged and the transmission in neutral. The noise will diminish with the clutch disengaged.

Clearances in the transmission gear teeth are incorporated into the design for component durability. There will always be a slight amount of gear mesh noise. No attempts should be made to disassemble the transmission for this condition.

WARNING :NO ATTEMPTS SHOULD BE MADE TO TIGHTEN THE CLEARANCES BETWEEN THE TRANSMISSION INTERNAL COMPONENTS.

NOTE : WHILE THIS REPAIR IS HELPFUL IN REDUCING NEUTRAL GEAR RATTLE, IT WILL NOT ELIMINATE IT. IN ADDITION, THE NEW FLUID WILL CAUSE SOME INCREASED SHIFTING EFFORT AT 20°F AND BELOW. THIS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE TRANSMISSION REACHES NORMAL OPERATING TEMPERATURES. PLEASE INFORM THE OWNER OF THIS POSSIBLE CONDITION BEFORE BEGINNING THE REPAIR.

**DIAGNOSIS:**

Road test the vehicle to warm the vehicle powertrain. Drive in 3rd to 5th gear to help bring the transmission to operating temperatures. Stop the vehicle and apply the parking brake. With the transmission in neutral and the engine running at idle, depress and release the clutch pedal. Listen for a chatter or rattling noise whenever the clutch pedal is released. If the noise is diminished when the clutch is depressed, proceed to the Repair Procedure.

*PARTS REQUIRED:**

4 of #04874459 Transmission Lubricant, SAE 75W (MS-9070) (Quart)
1 of #04275086 Label, Authorized Modification

**REPAIR PROCEDURE:**

This bulletin involves draining the transmission fluid and replacing it with a new lubricant.

1. Drain the transmission fluid by following the procedure in the Viper Service Manual (Publication 81-270-7150) page 21-3.



2. Type the necessary information into the Authorized Modification Label and attach the label near the VECI label.

POLICY: Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.

TIME ALLOWANCE:

**Labor Operation No: 21-00-10-95 0.4 Hrs.**

FAILURE CODE: P8 - New Part

[C.J]

Bingo, that's it. Thanks Seth!

[Brian GTS]

Updated List:

1) Stan - T
2) Patrick - D, T, B
3) Paul - O
4) Janni - Just hanging out and getting dirty.
5) Bill - D, T, B
6) Jeremy - O
7) Seth - D, T, B
8) Marko - ALL
9) Nina & Dugan - O, C
10) Dave <--- Our new member!

[Next Phase]

Not sure if I included it in my email.

2001
All fluids.
I'll bring my own motor oil and filter. Will purchase other fluids on site.

I can bring my shop manual and coffee!

[gutterworks129]

Hey Craig, I run Dexron in my trans on my 96, Dexron is super cheap and has a nice feel in the trans. The syn stuff is $23 quart and has to warm a bit for smooth shifting. My 96 is soooo loud I can't hear the trans any ways! lol

Seth, I'd go with DOT4 and using the syntorq tranny fluid will work in your '96. I believe the Dexron can cause the neutral gear rattle.
I have a hand pump for changing the rear-end fluid and installing the fluid. Should I bring it for any one?

Jeremy, what are you using in the trans of your '96?

[C.J]

Hey Jeremy...Good to know you're running dexron. For reasons unknown, I thought you were running the Mopar fluid.

Brian has a fluid vacuum, and I'm bringing a couple different ones, so I think we're good, thanks!

[PatrickB]

I bought an extra keyfob for the Viper that hasn't been programmed yet - the seller only had one. Have any of you guys coming for the maintenance day reprogrammed one of these yourself? I could use some guidance if so... Viper is a year 2000

[Brian GTS]

I bought an extra keyfob for the Viper that hasn't been programmed yet - the seller only had one. Have any of you guys coming for the maintenance day reprogrammed one of these yourself? I could use some guidance if so... Viper is a year 2000

Hey Patrick,

Yes, I have done this once. I'll dig up the instructions I used and we'll try it on yours.

[PatrickB]

Hey Patrick,

Yes, I have done this once. I'll dig up the instructions I used and we'll try it on yours.

Cool, I'll bring the keyfob - thanks Brian!

[mendler23]

I am up in the air for that weekend at the moment! gaaahh

Is someone going to be doing the fluid changes for us? I'm a driver, not a worker

[Brian GTS]

I am up in the air for that weekend at the moment! gaaahh

Is someone going to be doing the fluid changes for us? I'm a driver, not a worker

Yea, we gotcha covered. We'll even have chairs so you don't have to stand. If its been over a year since your last oil change, you definitely want to at least get that done.

[mendler23]

I'll be there. 1997 GTS. Replacing ALL. Purchasing all onsite, minus oil.

[C.J]

I am up in the air for that weekend at the moment! gaaahh

Is someone going to be doing the fluid changes for us? I'm a driver, not a worker

You can be the crew chief.