Allpar C8 Corvette Debut Causes Renewed Demand for Viper Return

[CJS]

Dodge Twitter account just cryptically asked "Which model should we bring back?".

[Clutch2014]

Dodge Twitter account just cryptically asked "Which model should we bring back?".

If the response thread is not filled to the brim with Viper, then they shouldn't have bothered to ask.

[SRT_BluByU]

not sure what other answered would be expected... K-Car? Intrepid? Polaria?

[Bryan Savage]

Dodge Twitter account just cryptically asked "Which model should we bring back?".

And the proof!!!

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Lots of Viper and Magnum replies. Also a few Neons, Barracudas, and Avengers, and one Rampage.

[Snakebit10]

No brainer to bring back the Viper. I think they knew the answer before they asked the question lol. Probably a 6th gen in the skunk works.








Probably wishful thinking on my part hehe.

[CJS]

not sure what other answered would be expected... K-Car? Intrepid? Polaris?

Hey, I'd buy a new Ramcharger if they did it right.

[ViperSRT]

Hey, I'd buy a new Ramcharger if they did it right.

FCA makes 2 that are similar to the Ramcharger now in Brazil. The Toro is based on the Renegade.
Toro
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Strada (really old design)
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[J TNT]

Chevy and Ford have a mid engine car , hopefully they commit to one ......
The C8 was a Big Hit at WDC .

[TrackAire]

I'd really like to be have been able to get excited about this new generation of Vette, or the previous C5, C6 and C7, but while they're always hyped to be the greatest and best performing Vette ever they also seem to be chronically plagued by problems that GM calculates are acceptable to release and leave unresolved. Those who plan to use the car on track as GM markets it are left to do the stress testing and then pound sand when they identify the various deficiencies. Every track friend that has had one has experienced the same over various generations, and it is not remotely possible that the C8 will be any better sorted. To think otherwise requires the wholesale disregard for the feedback of owners that use the car as marketed.

But it will be a massive sales success to those that always buy the latest Vette, to those impressed with the marketing and journalist performance hype that is inevitable, to those who don't test the car's track capabilities at a high skill level, and for those hard core track rats that do as the chief engineer of the C7 advised...do a couple of hot laps and then some cool down laps to bring down temps to avoid going into limp mode, LMFAO hahahahaha Epic Design Fails.

Oh oh.....I just watched that video with Matt Farah and I'm concerned. I also read some of the Youtube comments where Matt Farah tries to explain the apparent short shifting but if I'm understanding him correctly, he claims to have not shifted below 6000 rpm. Sorry, those didn't sound like 6000 rpm shifts to me....the car actually sounded like it was lugging a lot.

Here is why I'm concerned.....the normal course of action to keep the C7 from overheating is to short shift the transmission and let the engine torque (especially the Z06/ZR1) keep the speed up. Works great on an empty track but sucks if you catch a slower car and need the revs to pass them out of a corner because you've lost all your momentum. This presser took place on September 24th and the temperature at Thunderhill got up to 100 degrees that day. I'm thinking that the C8 was getting hot (either the engine or trans) on that press day. 100 degree temps gives you at least 120-130 degree track surface temps. The air getting sucked into the cooling ducts is already way above the ambient temps. It would be hard to keep nearly any modern car cool for hard laps at full rpm in those conditions with the minimal straights Thunderhill West offers. Regarding the handling, with that high of a track surface temperature the car is also going to start feeling a little greasy...not sure what tires they were running.

Chevrolet always does things 85% perfect....it's that last 15% that needs to be tweaked or modified to end up with a decent track car.

I really hope GM makes a good car as I really want a USA made mid engine car so bad. I like the looks of the C8 but haven't seen one in person yet. I'm sure there will be a few at the SEMA show next month.

[Bruce H.]

Oh oh.....I just watched that video with Matt Farah and I'm concerned. I also read some of the Youtube comments where Matt Farah tries to explain the apparent short shifting but if I'm understanding him correctly, he claims to have not shifted below 6000 rpm. Sorry, those didn't sound like 6000 rpm shifts to me....the car actually sounded like it was lugging a lot.

Here is why I'm concerned.....the normal course of action to keep the C7 from overheating is to short shift the transmission and let the engine torque (especially the Z06/ZR1) keep the speed up. Works great on an empty track but sucks if you catch a slower car and need the revs to pass them out of a corner because you've lost all your momentum. This presser took place on September 24th and the temperature at Thunderhill got up to 100 degrees that day. I'm thinking that the C8 was getting hot (either the engine or trans) on that press day. 100 degree temps gives you at least 120-130 degree track surface temps. The air getting sucked into the cooling ducts is already way above the ambient temps. It would be hard to keep nearly any modern car cool for hard laps at full rpm in those conditions with the minimal straights Thunderhill West offers. Regarding the handling, with that high of a track surface temperature the car is also going to start feeling a little greasy...not sure what tires they were running.

Chevrolet always does things 85% perfect....it's that last 15% that needs to be tweaked or modified to end up with a decent track car.

I really hope GM makes a good car as I really want a USA made mid engine car so bad. I like the looks of the C8 but haven't seen one in person yet. I'm sure there will be a few at the SEMA show next month.

Hey George,

I was actually thinking about you when I wrote that post knowing you track a Corvette, hoping you had better luck than others I know. I just went back and watched the video again and you are 100% correct, and I'd say he kept shifts under 6k, not over. Maybe he was actually instructed to shift it manually to avoid overheating and limping around with the camera running!

It was a high of 95 degrees the day a buddy and I met at Road America for a Chin day in the advanced run group, he in his just broken in '15 Z06 M7 and me in the '14 TA. We ran the track like we owned the place, basically running the same pace...until we hit the long front straight. He'd get a pretty strong launch on to it out of the 2nd gear corner but then his acceleration would just fade away and it became a cool down for me, one I didn't need. Lap after lap the car threw out the anchor going up the straight. Car was so capable everywhere else, sad.

I helped him install a new set of Hawk pads in the morning and when we swapped back his stock pads at the end of the day the front pads were worn right down...like to almost nothing! I was on stock TA pads, running the same pace all day, and my pads hardly wore at all. His front tires wore so much he had to have a friend ship him tires to continue his road trip. After every 20 minute session we had to drive out to get gas because he went through over 1/2 a tank and didn't have enough to do a 2nd session. He was in disbelief at how much less my fill-up would cost. The costs to track that car was wild.

Another track buddy with a '14 Z51 M7 Stingray overheated engine, tranny and diff every time he tracked his...and seized the exhaust valve which sent it to the dealer after every track day. Did that 5 days in a row and he finally gave up after GM refused to engineer a solution over the years. He sold it and bought an AMG GTS that's been great. His GT-R was great over 10 years of tracking with just a couple of minor mods. My Viper has been great on track. It really can be done. Chevy just needs to decide if they want to do it too and they certainly could. But they don't.

I'd love to buy a domestic mid-engine car also and really get aggravated by their disregard for the track enthusiasts their marketing tries so hard to attract to the brand. Fingers crossed that they'll surprise us with a change fr the better!

Bruce

[Gen5snake]

Snappy sounding thing....

https://youtu.be/g9sVgFIXIzk

https://youtu.be/kfg71KgtxO4

[ViperNC]

C8R looks much better than the street car. Guess we'll see how it does in IMSA next year.

[outnumbered]

Oh oh.....I just watched that video with Matt Farah and I'm concerned. I also read some of the Youtube comments where Matt Farah tries to explain the apparent short shifting but if I'm understanding him correctly, he claims to have not shifted below 6000 rpm. Sorry, those didn't sound like 6000 rpm shifts to me....the car actually sounded like it was lugging a lot.

Here is why I'm concerned.....the normal course of action to keep the C7 from overheating is to short shift the transmission and let the engine torque (especially the Z06/ZR1) keep the speed up. Works great on an empty track but sucks if you catch a slower car and need the revs to pass them out of a corner because you've lost all your momentum. This presser took place on September 24th and the temperature at Thunderhill got up to 100 degrees that day. I'm thinking that the C8 was getting hot (either the engine or trans) on that press day. 100 degree temps gives you at least 120-130 degree track surface temps. The air getting sucked into the cooling ducts is already way above the ambient temps. It would be hard to keep nearly any modern car cool for hard laps at full rpm in those conditions with the minimal straights Thunderhill West offers. Regarding the handling, with that high of a track surface temperature the car is also going to start feeling a little greasy...not sure what tires they were running.

Chevrolet always does things 85% perfect....it's that last 15% that needs to be tweaked or modified to end up with a decent track car.

I really hope GM makes a good car as I really want a USA made mid engine car so bad. I like the looks of the C8 but haven't seen one in person yet. I'm sure there will be a few at the SEMA show next month.

I saw that video and was wondering why he was shifting so soon. I assumed he was under strict instruction to not push the car.

[Scott_in_fl]

C8R looks much better than the street car. Guess we'll see how it does in IMSA next year.

Which could hold some hope for a proper looking Z06/ZR1 eventually.

Watched the posted video of the C8 and agree that he is clearly taking it easy. But, the dash cam footage seems to show a very nicely handling car --- hardly any brake dive, hardly any body roll in turns, hardly any accel lift, instant shifts, nice and quick downshifts, and smooth pulling engine. What a difference from the prior Gens in so many aspects (especially the very balanced and flat handling). GM could have a real winner on its hands here.

[Vegaskid]

From the video the car looks boring to drive. Just seems blah...maybe it's different in the cockpit, but reminds me of a shitty video game. I'm sure it's fast and probably comfy for the drive home from the track, but it really does nothing for me in terms of that "wow" factor that the Viper does when pushed.

[ViperNC]

Which could hold some hope for a proper looking Z06/ZR1 eventually.

Watched the posted video of the C8 and agree that he is clearly taking it easy. But, the dash cam footage seems to show a very nicely handling car --- hardly any brake dive, hardly any body roll in turns, hardly any accel lift, instant shifts, nice and quick downshifts, and smooth pulling engine. What a difference from the prior Gens in so many aspects (especially the very balanced and flat handling). GM could have a real winner on its hands here.

Agree for the Z06/ZR1. Even though they are shaking the car down and testing, it does look stable and fast. Wonder if that was Magnussen behind the wheel? I'm eager to see what happens when they dial it up and turn the driver loose. (I can't believe I just said that and appear to be rooting for Corvette after so many years of rooting against them.....)

[Fourtrax250r]

Agree for the Z06/ZR1. Even though they are shaking the car down and testing, it does look stable and fast. Wonder if that was Magnussen behind the wheel? I'm eager to see what happens when they dial it up and turn the driver loose. (I can't believe I just said that and appear to be rooting for Corvette after so many years of rooting against them.....)

I went to the lime rock race this year and the folks at corvette racing / Pratt & Miller were so nice !! Magnussen took the time to talk to me and my kids, he was really down to earth!! The C7R -s were really awesome ���� And they let my wife and kids sit inside . Hopefully GM puts what they’ve learned from those cars into their C8 Z06 to avoid the over heating fiasco..

[ViperNC]

I went to the lime rock race this year and the folks at corvette racing / Pratt & Miller were so nice !! Magnussen took the time to talk to me and my kids, he was really down to earth!! The C7R -s were really awesome ���� And they let my wife and kids sit inside . Hopefully GM puts what they’ve learned from those cars into their C8 Z06 to avoid the over heating fiasco..

Jan really is a great guy. I have met him a couple of times over the years and truly a gentleman, but a demon behind the wheel. As one of their most tenured drivers, it wouldn't surprise me if he was doing the lions share of the testing.

[J TNT]

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/c...-video-racing/

Looks like the C8 R has really stepped up their game , will be interesting how the race season plays out ...

[ForTehNguyen]

5.5 liter sounds like a downgrade, imagine if it was 6.2 with DOHC or even a 7.0 (426ci)

[J TNT]

I'm thinking they'll make up for displacement with 9000 - 10000 RED LINE .

[ViperNC]

Been looking at the difference of the front fascia of the C8R vs the street C8... the front end has some subtle changes that look better overall IMO.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictur...ll-business/4/

[commandomatt]

It really sucks to see all the press about the C8 and now the C8r. Not that I want to take the wind out of the sails from the Vette guys but it feels like we are left behind. I will not feel any less about my Vipers but it would really be nice to have something to look forward to. Something new....something that would once again raise the bar

[ForTehNguyen]

Chevy still needs to prove it will perform, they didnt exactly do a good job on the C7 especially the Z06, and now everything is completely different. This car has a strong chance of being an early adopters nightmare

[J TNT]

Chevy still needs to prove it will perform, they didnt exactly do a good job on the C7 especially the Z06, and now everything is completely different. This car has a strong chance of being an early adopters nightmare

True , but eventually they’ll get it right within a few years .
FCA has nothing in the pipeline for the foreseeable future , and I’ve heard a few Viper owners considering the New C8 ...