C8 Corvette

[venum4u]

So what's everyone's thoughts on the new C8 Corvette

[Rocfela]

I can’t get over the price. Still not a Viper though...

[ACRSNK]

Tough to beat for the money

[capevettes]

Watched the reveal on the 18th. Love the car. Great bang for the buck. 0-60 in under 3 seconds. Lots of advanced technology. They hit a home run with the car.

I am waiting for the Z06. Should be a twin turbo 5.5 Litre, somewhere between 700-800 hp. Wish there was a manual but it's a nice, Tremec DCT. Should be a great performer.

[Bill W]

Just makes me wish Dodge wouldn’t have abandoned the Viper.

[512BB]

To be honest, not a fan at all. GM constantly refers to the Vette as best bang for the buck, but in any product you can have two of the three 1) Performance, 2) Quality, 3) Price. When the price is this low and the performance this high, the quality has to be low (which Vettes have always had low quality, cheap components, etc.)

Time will tell but so far, not impressed with it at all since it had three issues late in the development cycle which I am not confident they'll sort out given their track record.

[serpent]

There $60k price IS cheap, but this is probably a really base base-model version. The version that can do the 0-60 under 3 seconds will probably retail for over $70/$75k. At that point it is more than a c7 stingray with a z51 package.

[TheMadMachinist]

It kind of looks like a Camaro from the back. Will be interesting to see how it develops down the road as far as higher hp models. Sounds like a lot of car for the money.

[nitromilt]

Price is good, 0-60 under 3 seconds.... I

[StrokerAce]

To be honest, not a fan at all. GM constantly refers to the Vette as best bang for the buck, but in any product you can have two of the three 1) Performance, 2) Quality, 3) Price. When the price is this low and the performance this high, the quality has to be low (which Vettes have always had low quality, cheap components, etc.)

Time will tell but so far, not impressed with it at all since it had three issues late in the development cycle which I am not confident they'll sort out given their track record.

Agreed. However, the loaded 3LT version which will have upgraded interior, wheels, sound system, Z51 package....etc will be over $90k. GM is leaving a lot of options out there for customization, which is nice as they have packages everythjng for decades.

My gut says a 600+ hp higher performance model will start at $100k and option out at $140k. Maybe another halo version at a slightly higher price point.

[TheLoRyder]

The stated performance is certainly impressive. Which brings me to think about two things:
1. When magazines finally get a hold of them for review, will that under 3s be achievable in real world conditions?
2. If the engine was mounted front-mid ship, definitely behind the front axle would it be all that different?

To me, it's ugly. Over-styled. Camaro rear-end. Most mid-ship cars are ugly, there's just a restriction on styling that you can't do without a front mounted engine coupe. The Ford GT is the exception to this for me. The C8, it looks like a door wedge.

All we've seen is a base model for now. Soon they'll sell 30,000 a year as they have in the past, and they'll be everywhere.

[Bill Pemberton]

The initial price is good , but seriously doubt one will see any under 80K with the normal options, and like the program set up years back by Ford and then FCA, the initial price will probably not include shipping or gas guzzler, so 65K will probably be where it begins? Sure 80-90K is still a solid price structure for a mid engine sportscar, and there are some cool innovations with the interesting dry sump setup, but I do believe the initial excitement on cost will have a rude awakening , because I doubt many Dealers would even consider a base Vette, partly due to first year greed, but honestly because they do not sell. I do know our Chevy Store is getting bombarded and many of the calls I get are from Viper owners, and I hope it sells like hotcakes, as that might be the impetus to get Viper back into the supercar fold? Just wishing.........................

PS --- if any of you are calling my cell ( 402-677-5864) please leave a message if I don't answer or email me at billpemberton@woodhouse.com. Have been a bit hesitant of answering some numbers , of late, as I am getting 5-10 spam calls a day. Thanks.

PSPS - and no to the question of whether we are jacking up the price on the new Vette, just MSRP and have been helping my Snakebrothers with this.

[Sybil TF]

I hate corvettes. First one I like. It's an awesome looking car. Who knows what dealer mark up will be but I wouldn't buy the first year model anyway. Buy after the hype is over. Many of you know what I mean

[IndyRon]

The proportions are good. Very 458/488/F8 Tributo -esque. The problem with the C8 is the same as with the C7 Z cars. Very aggressive but looks as though designed by a 15yo aspiring artist. Doesn't look good from all angles and the compound curves/corners/edges don't flow. Where the F cars design language flows throughout the car, the Corvette just looks cheap and kit car-ish. That said, great performance numbers! The GT500 seems like a better/cooler car to me.

[ForTehNguyen]

There $60k price IS cheap, but this is probably a really base base-model version. The version that can do the 0-60 under 3 seconds will probably retail for over $70/$75k. At that point it is more than a c7 stingray with a z51 package.

IMO only specs worth a damn will be 80k.

Just something to think about, this is coming from the same company who makes 65-70k trucks trims (silverado high country and sierra denalis) that look like utter trash compared to lower priced ones like the Ram Limited. Yet somehow they pulled a rabbit out of the hat for this one? Cautiously optimistic because the C7 Z06 was such a bargain, but the problem was you had to complete the engineering with $1000s of dollars worth of aftermarket mods to improve its heat management.

Pilot Sport 4S tires come on the Z51 package, then what tire is gonna be on the base? All seasons?

[Angleiron]

All we've seen is a base model for now. Soon they'll sell 30,000 a year as they have in the past, and they'll be everywhere.

This is something that I never understood about GM, and more so now with this car. Unless you were a car guy the average person could not tell the difference between a base vette and a ZR1. This car should have been a stand alone model and they should have kept the previous generation to make the mid engine vette special. Instead they did what they always do...they will have 3-4 versions of a car that will all look alike to 95% of the population.

[Schen]

That's because GM is in the market to make money. Resale values don't effect them, so build as many as they can and give it updates through it's lifespan.

I'm impressed with the initial release. I honestly was expecting $75k at the minimum but still it's under the $100k mark and still makes it at great buy for a mid engine supercar.

-RS

[F2V]

Huge winner, well done GM!

[Salties]

I'm in.

[Joel]

I admire the engineering but GM quality is terrible. Ugly transformer styling. Last gen just as ugly so I was looking for an improvement. Doubt the 0-60 time but we'll see. But the fact that this intro is so hyped shows just how badly Dodge managed the intro and sales of the Gen 5 Viper.

[Vipes]

I do not think you can beat the performance value for the $$. I don't think the C8 will be a slouch on the track either.

2020 Vette
495 HP
Mid Engine 6.2L V8
RWD
8 Speed DCT
3,366lbs Curb weight
2.9s 0-60 (with Z51 Package)
$60,000 Base Price

Lets compare this with a few others:

2020 Ford GT 500
760 HP
5.2L Supercharged V8
RWD
7 Speed DCT
3,750lbs Curb weight (unconfirmed)
3.5s 0-60
$70,000 Base Price (unconfirmed)

2020 Supra
335 HP
3.0L Inline 6cyl
RWD
8 Speed Auto
3,397lbs Curb Weight
4.1 0-60
$50,000 Base Price

2019 Acura NSX
573 HP
3.5L V6
AWD
9 Speed DCT
3,878lbs Curb weight
3.0 0-60
$157,500 Base Price

2020 Nissan GT-R
565 HP
3.8L TT V6
AWD
6 Speed DCT
3,911lbs Curb weight
2.9s 0-60
$115,235 Base price

2020 Audi R8
562 HP
5.2L V10
AWD
7 Speed DCT
3,722lbs Curb weight
3.4 0-60
$169,900 Base price

2020 Porsche 911 Carrera S
443 HP
3.0L TT Flat 6
RWD
8 Speed DCT
3,382lbs Curb weight
3.5s 0-60
$113,300 Base price

[ViperNC]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...age=AAEKs5V|11

Guess they plan on selling a lot of them.... economies of scale. Better sell more than the C7 if they want to profit.

[Rand]

I like the front and side views, but not a fan of the rear of the car. Am guessing the subsequent variants of the C8 will have a ton of power and will perform well after they get it "dialed in". I have no doubt that vette fans will like and support this car. The real question GM is struggling with is whether any vette or performance car will be that appealing to the younger buyers...

[viperBase1]

First, this is probably the most fair minded and reasonable C8 forum thread on the entire internet right now.

I wasted about 9 months of my life researching the C7 with some focused attention on the GrandSport. I was a "Grandsport Gonna Be" for a number of months.
Discovered these cars had SO MANY problems and that GM was a very different car company (than I had previously thought).

To be honest, not a fan at all. GM constantly refers to the Vette as best bang for the buck, but in any product you can have two of the three 1) Performance, 2) Quality, 3) Price. When the price is this low and the performance this high, the quality has to be low (which Vettes have always had low quality, cheap components, etc.)

Time will tell but so far, not impressed with it at all since it had three issues late in the development cycle which I am not confident they'll sort out given their track record.

Right on!

That (1)(2)(3) formula/axiom will never let you down and can be applied to everything in life.

IMO, the GM track record on fixing the C7 has been abysmal.

There $60k price IS cheap, but this is probably a really base base-model version. The version that can do the 0-60 under 3 seconds will probably retail for over $70/$75k. At that point it is more than a c7 stingray with a z51 package.

Ding Ding Ding.. Serpent gets free beer!

It's only the the Z51 + the Z51 Performance Package that goes 0-60 in under 3 seconds.

Some Chevy Dealer dude on the UTube says these are the prices:

Z51 1LT => $64K
Z51 2LT => $68.5K
Z51 3LT => $74K

Sounds like nobody knows the exact price of the Z51 Performance Package just yet.
So add that unkown price $$ in and... you're squarely into the $70K-$80K range.

There's going to be a very rude awakening for a lot of folks thinking they get that performance for "less than $60K".

Price is good, 0-60 under 3 seconds.... I

See I tried to 'tol you Lucy!!!

I hate corvettes. First one I like. It's an awesome looking car. Who knows what dealer mark up will be but I wouldn't buy the first year model anyway. Buy after the hype is over. Many of you know what I mean

+1 I know exactly what you mean.

I like the looks of the C7 just fine and I wanted it to be a good car.. but its just sad the way it all turned out (for me).

IMO only specs worth a damn will be 80k.

Just something to think about, this is coming from the same company who makes 65-70k trucks trims (silverado high country and sierra denalis) that look like utter trash compared to lower priced ones like the Ram Limited. Yet somehow they pulled a rabbit out of the hat for this one? Cautiously optimistic because the C7 Z06 was such a bargain, but the problem was you had to complete the engineering with $1000s of dollars worth of aftermarket mods to improve its heat management.

Pilot Sport 4S tires come on the Z51 package, then what tire is gonna be on the base? All seasons?

ForTheNguyen for the win!

Huge winner, well done GM!

GM hasn't actually released the car to production yet. It's still just a paper tiger.

I'd withhold the celebration and congrats until after it endured some fair minded reviews by respected third parties.

The comparisons of the UNKNOWN C8 (w/no factual support data) to long lists of other KNOWN cars (w/factual support data) have just been ridiculous.

I admire the engineering but GM quality is terrible. Ugly transformer styling. Last gen just as ugly so I was looking for an improvement. Doubt the 0-60 time but we'll see.

+1 Somebody else smelled a rat.

0-60 in under 3 seconds. Lots of advanced technology. They hit a home run with the car.
I am waiting for the Z06. Should be a twin turbo 5.5 Litre, somewhere between 700-800 hp. Wish there was a manual but it's a nice, Tremec DCT. Should be a great performer.

If 0-60 in under 3 seconds is the big data point, why didn't everyone go crazy-nutso over the Tesla? It's about the same price point (well over $60K).

Definitely wait. Don't do anything for 2 years and then see what the situation is with the C8 and GM.

The Tremec DCT is the best news I've heard about the C8.. however they bought a company called Hoerbiger that actually makes it.. fingers crossed they made it better/stronger.

I haven't heard one word about the Automatic Fuel Management system (AFM), which was required to meet certain fuel efficiency standards in the automatic transmission version of the C7. The AFM turned cylinders off/on thru fuel delivery. It also meant the car was exempt from the Luxury/Gas Guzzler Tax.

In the C7 this was the A8 slushbox tansmission. The AFM would oscillate so rapidly the torque dynamics on the transmission caused all kinds of failures.
The problem would manifest as a violent shaking and shuddering of the entire car. Who knows what impact that has on other components.

What is the AFM going to do to the brand new Dual Clutch transmission. I heard them say (rather nervously) there was no "off the shelf DCT that could handle the power of the V8 available, so they had to make one". Which IMO is a very frightening prospect for a variety of reasons.

If they ditched the AFM all together then it likely means the Gas Guzzler Tax is added to the bill.
But so far, there's been zero information on that subject.

[viperBase1]

Dug in on the interWebz, did a little (RESEARCH) and verified the C8 will IN FACT have the Automatic Fuel Management system (AFM).

Turns out its a buried in a line item on the C8 order form: “LT2- Engine Gas, 8 Cyl, 6.2L DI, AFM, VVT, HO, Alum,”

OMG! Those poor little dual clutches!
Until I learn otherwise, I don't think this is gonna be a good thing.

The only good news (I guess) is they've avoided the Gas Guzzler tax.