VOI 13 in Texas!!!!!

[daytonprowler]

Maybe I've been wrong. They even have a new theme song.
Everything is just "sunshine and Santa Claus" at the "new" VCA!

[plumcrazy]

Lmao

[ViperTony]

I think a 'major' track event for Viper owners is a wonderful thing. I'd like to see the VOA pull off a track oriented event in the future. Always a great time.

[Scott Mannny]

I agree Tony, but a real track event that we can drive at real speed. Not a follow me type event.

[Joel]

Let me put this whole thing in terms everyone can understand. Before all this you know what hit the fan, we had almost 60 members in the club. Now, after almost of the %&it has settled, we have 16 members in VOA and 5 in VCA and another 5 who want to be in neither but pay regional dues. So what I've learned as president is that association with clubs that constantly argue over who really represents Viper owners has cost me about 40 members who really are questioning what benefit they receive from national clubs. And, since many of you have correctly pointed out the past censorship abuses by VCA, it strikes me odd that some of you want to have no news of any Viper activities unless they are sanctioned by VOA. Does irony have any meaning here? So, for at least the next 10 months, my job is to represent Viper owners in the Al/TN region and that's what I'm going to do. Viper owners are welcome at our events and we will try to make all feel welcome when they come. Isn't that what we are all about? It's cars and people - cars and people. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.

we can as long as people post VCA events on the VCA site, and OUR events on this forum

[ViperTony]

I agree Tony, but a real track event that we can drive at real speed. Not a follow me type event.

A Viper Days type of format. Multiple run groups. Putting everyone with different driving abilities on a track at the same time = no Buenos.

[ViperTony]

Let me put this whole thing in terms everyone can understand. Before all this you know what hit the fan, we had almost 60 members in the club. Now, after all most of the %&it has settled, we have 16 members in VOA and 5 in VCA and another 5 who want to be in neither but pay regional dues. So what I've learned as president is that association with clubs that constantly argue over who really represents Viper owners has cost me about 40 members who really are questioning what benefit they receive from national clubs. And, since many of you have correctly pointed out the past censorship abuses by VCA, it strikes me odd that some of you want to have no news of any Viper activities unless they are sanctioned by VOA. Does irony have any meaning here? So, for at least the next 10 months, my job is to represent Viper owners in the Al/TN region and that's what I'm going to do. Viper owners are welcome at our events and we will try to make all feel welcome when they come. Isn't that what we are all about? It's cars and people - cars and people. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.

Good post and I think you're spot on.

[Janni]

Everyone here wants a united place for Viper owners. I believe we all want what is right for OWNERS.

If there are folks that are wondering what is the benefit of a national club - there's $2 million in liability coverage in insurance that someone WILL want if something goes terribly bad at an event and it will only apply to VOA members. Our policy will not extend to non-members.

Additionally, I would suggest that events be opened to VOA members FIRST if you are planning an event as a leader. This way, you can reinforce the value of membership and then open it up to other owners at a later date. As leaders, you should "take care of" the folks that are in your primary group first, and help ensure they can join in the activities and not get left out.

Ultimately - by NOT differentiating at all between members and non members you are essentially encouraging folks to not join and to remain fragmented.

We're hopeful that members will see value in the magazine, the VOA specific events (or at least the "early announcement / priority" given to them), insurance, some other swag once the merchandise gets online,etc will be enough.

Ultimately - if YOU don't see the value in the VOA and a National Entity - then no one else will either.

It's a delicate balance to do this and also to be inclusive- but I believe it can be done.

I don't want censorship or being "exclusionary" - but I DO want leaders adding VALUE locally to the VOA membership.

[cubican]

Let me put this whole thing in terms everyone can understand. Before all this you know what hit the fan, we had almost 60 members in the club. Now, after almost of the %&it has settled, we have 16 members in VOA and 5 in VCA and another 5 who want to be in neither but pay regional dues. So what I've learned as president is that association with clubs that constantly argue over who really represents Viper owners has cost me about 40 members who really are questioning what benefit they receive from national clubs. And, since many of you have correctly pointed out the past censorship abuses by VCA, it strikes me odd that some of you want to have no news of any Viper activities unless they are sanctioned by VOA. Does irony have any meaning here? So, for at least the next 10 months, my job is to represent Viper owners in the Al/TN region and that's what I'm going to do. Viper owners are welcome at our events and we will try to make all feel welcome when they come. Isn't that what we are all about? It's cars and people - cars and people. That's all I'm going to say on the issue.

Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

[Brian GTS]

I for one do not want to be associated with people I do not trust. The folks operating the VCA have made it clear that they cannot be trusted by their false information and claims....even to this day! This cannot be refuted!

I refuse financially support a club that falsifies information and deceives members from the truth. It's total BS! Am I going to hand over my hard earned money to people who are dishonest....car club, or not.....NO WAY!

I am in the VOA because I feel the people running the show are wholesome individuals that can be trusted. The Presidents are on the BOD, financials are in the open, and for crying out loud, the membership numbers are on the home page!!!...etc. They are not stretching the truth in order to paint a pretty picture in order to gain memberships. I'm certain where all the money is going and the communication is outstanding.

Our region was largely successful at moving over to the VOA. Although, we did experience a 20% membership decrease, I'll take it over spilling money into the unknown VCA funnel. Why should one place trust in a club that has a proven track record of being less than truthful.....and still is?

[plumcrazy]

Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

this site only resembles viper alley in that its an internet forum and has viper in the name.

[XSnake]

Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

If it wasn't for the Alley you wouldn't know 90% of what you know about the VCA. The Alley is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. But, it will always be somewhere where uncensored information is available.

[BlknBlu]

This is a very important topic of discussion and needs to be communicated in an open manner with it's members. We are all about the cars and people, but also trying to establish a world class organization that runs in an efficient manner to it's members and those wanting to be a part of something. Both Entities have something to protect and are looking for ways to enhance the Viper ownership. We need to work to make sure we are protected and can continue to grow. One day we will be one happy family again.

Bruce

[XSnake]

Looks like it's gonna be at COTA, I hope everyone has been saving up cause it ain't gonna be cheap.

[FLATOUT]

Spot on!! there are many viper owners that feel that way. I hate that the forum starting to feel more and more like the viper alley very sad.

So because people don't agree with you it has become "the alley"? It's ok that I don't like the VCA, and it's ok that you do. It's a big world and we all have differing opinions.

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If it wasn't for the Alley you wouldn't know 90% of what you know about the VCA. The Alley is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. But, it will always be somewhere where uncensored information is available.

POS rep this guy gets it.

[MoparBoyy]

Looks like it's gonna be at COTA, I hope everyone has been saving up cause it ain't gonna be cheap.

lets say 200 people show up.. its what.. 100k to rent COTA?.. i'm bad at math, but i can already say thats a lot of cheddar.

[City]

I understand they are sharing an IMSA event. The issue will be track time.

[99RT10]

So at 800 per person that would be 160,000. They could probably make that happen pretty easily.

[XSnake]

I understand they are sharing an IMSA event. The issue will be track time.

They are the weekend after the Tudor/IMSA event . IMSA and the WEC usually share the same weekend weekend which is the 19th and 20th.

[cubican]

This is a very important topic of discussion and needs to be communicated in an open manner with it's members. We are all about the cars and people, but also trying to establish a world class organization that runs in an efficient manner to it's members and those wanting to be a part of something. Both Entities have something to protect and are looking for ways to enhance the Viper ownership. We need to work to make sure we are protected and can continue to grow. One day we will be one happy family again.

Bruce

Exellent post Bruce, I know your a track guy love to see your car at COTA.

[XSnake]

So at 800 per person that would be 160,000. They could probably make that happen pretty easily.

This is for only track expenses...... No other VOI has had a $100k bill for the track alone. It will be interesting to see the registration options if there are any and the pricing differences.

[City]

I understand they are sharing an IMSA event. The issue will be track time.

They are the weekend after the Tudor/IMSA event . IMSA and the WEC usually share the same weekend weekend which is the 19th and 20th.

I think you're right. I'm getting better at providing the wrong info. Skulking away now....

[cubican]

[QUOTE=FLATOUT;37050]So because people don't agree with you it has become "the alley"? It's ok that I don't like the VCA, and it's ok that you do. It's a big world and we all have differing opinions.


andy, I relly hope to see you at cota, after all the work you have done on your car it will be a shame to miss it. You'r going to see many of us at the round up, and that event is put together by a member from each club. Down here in Texas non of us care for any of the BS we just want to have fun and enjoy our cars. Pedro.

[FLATOUT]

I know man, just still bitter about some things. Some of us unfortunately got to deal with varying degrees of fallout with the old leadership. I will definitely see you guys at the roundup though. Appreciate the kind words and I can assure my frustration with that club had very little to do with 99% of the owners.


[QUOTE=cubican;37084]

So because people don't agree with you it has become "the alley"? It's ok that I don't like the VCA, and it's ok that you do. It's a big world and we all have differing opinions.


andy, I relly hope to see you at cota, after all the work you have done on your car it will be a shame to miss it. You'r going to see many of us at the round up, and that event is put together by a member from each club. Down here in Texas non of us care for any of the BS we just want to have fun and enjoy our cars. Pedro.

[MtnBiker]

First "clue" (picture of the Alamo) on other site suggests San Antonio as location.