VOI 13 in Texas!!!!!

[Revolution]

Well said!

[cubican]

I know there are politics on both forums, but maybe a solution is for each club to throw a Invitational on alternative years. Everyone is welcome to both.

While some radical people would want each club to boycott the others events, really the only ones to suffer would be the members of each respective club that would be afraid to "cross the picket line".

This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.

The church I go to allows everyone to attend services, no matter what religion they follow. All are welcome.

I agree 100%. we are all viper owners.

[daytonprowler]

Uncle Paul,

It's funny that you have the luxury of posting here, yet most of the VOA Officers, Directors, Presidents, and a very large number of VOA members are "boycotted" or not allowed to post on your VCA website. On a personal note, would you please send me my 4 Viper Magazines I'm still missing.... I paid for them.

You bring the "church" analogy to the table.

Your VCA "church" has excommunicated, banned, moderated, threatened, censured, suspended hundreds of Viper owners. Your VCA "church" has changed the "pastor" and a few of the "deacons", but your "church" doctrine is still the same, maybe even worse now. I do not know of any "church" that tries to blantantly solicit members away from another "church".... except one, the VCA "church". The constant barrage of VCA emails to our members shows true desperation.

The VOA "church" WELCOMES all Viper owners. Period.

Paul, press the link below and set yourself free. Set yourself free from all the cheating, lying, stealing, grief, and headaches over there. What's the worst that could happen? You'll be part of a well respected automobile club, you'll get a membership packet, four high quality magazines, and most important, fun with a lot of the people you have hung out with for many years. It's only two tanks of gas.

https://driveviper.com/join/

I agree 100%. we are all viper owners.

Cubican, you are also welcome to set yourself free:

https://driveviper.com/join/

[FLATOUT]

Agree well said Randal + rep. It's a free market, and people will vote with their pocketbook. We don't tell members in Houston what club to belong to it's their choice, we would love to have everyone but I dout we'll ever get everyone with an elitist attitude about one club over the other. Our events and member base speaks for itself.

[ViperTony]

Let's not forget that regions didn't receive member dues for the 2nd half of 2013 among other transgressions. Uncle Paul may call it politics but I call it thievery. The list of transgressions this current VCA leadership has undertaken casts a wide dark shadow. I don't wish to be near that shadow. If VOI was being organized and run by a respected organization such as SRT, VOA or even PETA then I'd attend. But that's not the case. I made the decision that my money is not going to support that organization. Nobody is telling members to boycott anything. We're all adults and we can make our own decisions. Good luck with the event but please don't bring that stench over here anymore.

[FLATOUT]

I agree 100%. we are all viper owners.

Of course we are, some were just extremely detrimental to the community and there are alot of us that will never forget that. I hope you VCA diehards appreciate the opportunity to openly discuss something as hot button as this issue is free of excessive moderation and riducule.

When I type in FLATOUT into the VCA website it says

BANNED
Reason given: NONE
Date ban will be lifted: NEVER

[cubican]

Please join the VOA, we'd love to have you.

https://driveviper.com/join/

The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

[FLATOUT]

Are you kidding? This is the absolute only thread like this that is ongoing.

The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

And Pedro racing Vipers at COTA isn't exclusive to the VCA, MTNBKR was just out there along with Treesnake and a few others just a couple weeks ago, it won't be the first or last time a person has to run their Viper at COTA, it simply take you opening your wallet and getting in with a group that has the track for the weekend.

[XSnake]

we are all viper owners.

Please show me anyone who is saying any different???

People ARE saying they don't wish to associate or support a group that has attacked the CEO of the manufacture, lied to membership, held an illegal raffle, banned extremely well respected members, and denied there are any issues in the club.

You seem to still be drunk on the kool aid.

Each person makes their own decisions, 1,500 have chosen to go in a different direction. Have fun talking to the Bob's on the other site.

[XSnake]

The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

Nobody is telling you not to. People are just telling you they won't be joining you, deal with it.

[BlknBlu]

As i have stated before, people can feel free to attend any Viper events no matter what club is hosting. The problem is how the breakout of the funding occurs and how it can hurt or help each organization. Tough choices need to be made by members on where there funds will go. 2 clubs are fighting for supremacy and one day we should get back to one. Till then i choose (my own choice) to send my funds to VOA. there are plenty of other non club related events we can all attend.

Bruce

[cubican]

Are you kidding? This is the absolute only thread like this that is ongoing.




And Pedro racing Vipers at COTA isn't exclusive to the VCA, MTNBKR was just out there along with Treesnake and a few others just a couple weeks ago, it won't be the first or last time a person has to run their Viper at COTA, it simply take you opening your wallet and getting in with a group that has the track for the weekend.

Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

[cubican]

As i have stated before, people can feel free to attend any Viper events no matter what club is hosting. The problem is how the breakout of the funding occurs and how it can hurt or help each organization. Tough choices need to be made by members on where there funds will go. 2 clubs are fighting for supremacy and one day we should get back to one. Till then i choose (my own choice) to send my funds to VOA. there are plenty ofother no club related events we can all attend.

Bruce

!00% correct we all have a choices no need to keep on same old negative coments over and over over.

[daytonprowler]

The problem I have with the VOA is exactly treads like these one and many others like it. I like for tread to stay on point with out any politics. Racing Vipers at COTA is a big deal and a very fun event that anyone is welcome. Is time for me to enjoy my Viper and the owners Im done with the VCA VOA politics and the constant BS, Im going to do what I want with who I want. Cheers Pedro.

You are entitled to your opinion, and can speak it freely here at the VOA. Unfortunately the VCA policys of old are still there. The "doctrine" is still there. One cannot speak freely at the VCA. The only way any VCA run event will succeed is getting non-VCA members there. The VCA does not have the support, it's simple numbers. Why would anyone give money to that organization?

Here is an alternative:
https://driveviper.com/join/

[FLATOUT]

Nobody is telling you not to. People are just telling you they won't be joining you, deal with it.

Thank you, I have no idea why anyone cares whether I attend an event or not. I hang out with people I click with and enjoy. I didn't "enjoy" my time in the VCA so I moved on simple as that.

Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

Ok, well you won't, sorry to dissapoint. I'm a huge College Football fan as well and a Graduate of Texas A&M, I don't attend Longhorn Football games either

!00% correct we all have a choices no need to keep on same old negative coments over and over over.

You are more than welcome to not post in this thread or read it if it is bothering you.

[daytonprowler]

Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

Actually, I'd be willing to come to your event if a tour of VPA and the VCA Management company is included. I see the same mailing address is listed for both. Two birds with one stone? Maybe I could pick up my magazines while I'm there. I can also pick up the checks/money that the VCA stills owes the regions from 2013. It will save on the postage.

https://driveviper.com/join/

[Janni]

Missing a chance to race at Cota with an all Viper line up is special. I just hate not to see your car there.

Racing at COTA? Is this a new VOI attraction? VOIs have never been about "racing" - and it's always been instructor in car / light DE type track events - mostly just to say you have driven on that track. I would suggest that calling something a chance to "race at COTA with an all Viper line up" is misleading AND dangerous.

[FLATOUT]

!00% correct we all have a choices no need to keep on same old negative coments over and over over.

BTW I plan on coming to the round up and I'm sure we'll have a chance to talk face to face. I'd be more than happy to talk with you over a beer about whatever Viper or Viper Club related.

[cubican]

BTW I plan on coming to the round up and I'm sure we'll have a chance to talk face to face. I'd be more than happy to talk with you over a beer about whatever Viper or Viper Club related.

Cheers, we will have a drink or two, but no VOA VCA junk, all viper talk

[sparkrn]

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This would result in twice as many events for every member to attend. Better run, and better events for both clubs, and it would let SRT off the hook for trying not to play favorites with the two clubs.


This is not true as usual. It would only result in one added event: VOI, there are no local regions available in the vca, therefore no events.

[Leslie]

DITTO!

And they just posted you only get 3 laps at a time haha! My tires would just START to be getting warmed up!!!

Racing at COTA? Is this a new VOI attraction? VOIs have never been about "racing" - and it's always been instructor in car / light DE type track events - mostly just to say you have driven on that track. I would suggest that calling something a chance to "race at COTA with an all Viper line up" is misleading AND dangerous.

[LittleCobra]

Didn't everyone get 3 laps at a time in the loaner Vipers at VOI 11?

[Brian GTS]

Cheers, we will have a drink or two, but no VOA VCA junk, all viper talk

I think your opinion would be drastically different if you were trying to effectively operate a local club region under the VCA...and had to deal with their constant lies and deception on a regular basis. The FACT is the VCA has wiped their a$$es with so many of us (including members) for YEARS and virtually nothing has changed over there. Honestly, I was oblivious to the issues in the VCA until I became an officer last year (Regional VP) and experienced it first hand...and it was BAD.

The lies and deception continue which is why so many of us are reluctant to pi$$ another dollar into their bucket to help them rebuild their "corrupt" enterprise. It's kind of like paying taxes to corrupt government...would you feel good about it? Same story here. You might have a great time with your Viper, but you are supporting something that is "not good" for the Viper community.

Of course, it is a free country and you can do what you like, but this is MUCH MORE than simply club politics. Its about moral standards,

[Revolution]

I agree its coming down to principle and if you want to attend but in return your supporting a corrupt cause. It's like buying a puppy from a pet store your supporting puppy mills in the process sure the puppy is cute and all but if everyone quit buying from pet stores it would in turn shut down the corruption in the puppy mills. Nothing is without ramifications good or bad.

[daytonprowler]

I think your opinion would be drastically different if you were trying to effectively operate a local club region under the VCA...and had to deal with their constant lies and deception on a regular basis. The FACT is the VCA has wiped their a$$es with so many of us (including members) for YEARS and virtually nothing has changed over there. Honestly, I was oblivious to the issues in the VCA until I became an officer last year (Regional VP) and experienced it first hand...and it was BAD.

The lies and deception continue which is why so many of us are reluctant to pi$$ another dollar into their bucket to help them rebuild their "corrupt" enterprise. It's kind of like paying taxes to corrupt government...would you feel good about it? Same story here. You might have a great time with your Viper, but you are supporting something that is "not good" for the Viper community.

Of course, it is a free country and you can do what you like, but this is MUCH MORE than simply club politics. Its about moral standards,

It's pretty bad when the VCA National VP makes a suggestion that they shouldn't put any VCA logo/branding on their VOI goodie bags.