Heads Cam Exhaust Cost and Output

[parabs]

I had the Arrow stg 2 heads/cam installed by VE 1 year ago. I had a great experience working with Andy/VE. My car was in/out in 3 days, with 1 day spent waiting on the PCM to/from Arrow. Unfortunately, that car was totalled in January.

I just purchased another Viper and rather than do the exact same build, I chose Nth Moto this time around. I should have the car next month and will be sure to post my review.

I’m very interested to read your review on the Nth Moto package!!

[Meteoro]

no one mention the cost $$$?

[catwood]

no one mention the cost $$$?

if you have to ask, you can't afford it

[cubeman]

All the kits range between 11-18k installed.

[Jack B]

I had the Arrow stg 2 heads/cam installed by VE 1 year ago. I had a great experience working with Andy/VE. My car was in/out in 3 days, with 1 day spent waiting on the PCM to/from Arrow. Unfortunately, that car was totalled in January.

I just purchased another Viper and rather than do the exact same build, I chose Nth Moto this time around. I should have the car next month and will be sure to post my review.

Is the new one using the OEM pcm?

[SLP]

All the kits range between 11-18k installed.

From what I recall when I was looking for h/c/e installed from a shop, I was getting quotes between 15k-23k depending on the shop. Also for the OP, rwhp seems to vary from 650-730 depending again on the shop and if you want hf cats or to run catless.

[Jack B]

From what I recall when I was looking for h/c/e installed from a shop, I was getting quotes between 15k-23k depending on the shop. Also for the OP, rwhp seems to vary from 650-730 depending again on the shop and if you want hf cats or to run catless.

Let's also throw in the diff between dyno's and the hp under the curve, not, just peak hp.

[johniew398]

I just sold my 2014 TA Gen V. I had Woodhouse install new headers and the arrow package which includes cam, heads and tweaked PCM. It was dynoing around 740HP and was very drivable.

Personally I would only trust Woodhouse.

Stay away from RSI.

Note: guess I will have to leave the group since I won't own a Viper any longer.

[Dman]

I just sold my 2014 TA Gen V. I had Woodhouse install new headers and the arrow package which includes cam, heads and tweaked PCM. It was dynoing around 740HP and was very drivable.

Personally I would only trust Woodhouse.

Stay away from RSI.

Note: guess I will have to leave the group since I won't own a Viper any longer.

Arrow pkg dynoing at 740hp? Either that’s the 9.0 extreme Arrow pkg or someone slipped a nitrous spray into the mix. Arrow is spec’d at 90hp, plus or minus a few. The 740hp would be crank, or change the 7 to a 6. ;-)

[cubeman]

I just sold my 2014 TA Gen V. I had Woodhouse install new headers and the arrow package which includes cam, heads and tweaked PCM. It was dynoing around 740HP and was very drivable.

Personally I would only trust Woodhouse.

Stay away from RSI.

Note: guess I will have to leave the group since I won't own a Viper any longer.

I'm very surprised to see a Arrow H&C dyno so high even with headers. I thought A&C and Calvo had the more aggressive numbers.

[Reaper]

If I could get 700+ rwhp with the Arrow kit, Id be headed to VE next week. Im assuming VE sells the same kit as Woodhouse. I know the Calvo and A&C kits would do it but they're quite a bit more money. I know VE advertises 755hp but thats at the crank.

[Dman]

If I could get 700+ rwhp with the Arrow kit, Id be headed to VE next week. Im assuming VE sells the same kit as Woodhouse. I know the Calvo and A&C kits would do it but they're quite a bit more money. I know VE advertises 755hp but thats at the crank.

You will NOT get that with the Arrow pkg. keep in mind, Calvo generally also does a full oiling ‘rebuild’, crank work, etc. This is like $4500 as a stand alone job, I think he wraps it in for like $1500. I highly recommend just calling Antonio and chatting about it. He’s busy but when you get him, he’s very informative and nice. Same of course Nth and A&C. You’ll get ten times the info in half the effort talking to them rather than us, lol. These are great setups, no matter the choice, some of us are just going to lean more one vendor than the other.

[09 ACR]

I had my H&C done at Prefix and I will only tell you I am well north of 700. this is on pump gas 93 with H&C with arrow headers cat delete.

[GTSilver]

I had my H&C done at Prefix and I will only tell you I am well north of 700. this is on pump gas 93 with H&C with arrow headers cat delete.

What was your baseline dyno figures ? As all VE/Arrow H/C builds range from 630-670rwhp

[09 ACR]

640
edit: sorry just looked up number i started with 605

[Reaper]

You will NOT get that with the Arrow pkg. keep in mind, Calvo generally also does a full oiling ‘rebuild’, crank work, etc. This is like $4500 as a stand alone job, I think he wraps it in for like $1500. I highly recommend just calling Antonio and chatting about it. He’s busy but when you get him, he’s very informative and nice. Same of course Nth and A&C. You’ll get ten times the info in half the effort talking to them rather than us, lol. These are great setups, no matter the choice, some of us are just going to lean more one vendor than the other.

I talked to Antonio a while back. Hes very knowledgeable on these cars and turns out an awesome package. He explained the "rebuild" work", bearing replacement and replacing 5th gear with different ratio as part of the package. I just wasnt sure I needed all that when a VE setup would get me a big jump in power for a decent amount less money. Im sure the Calvo pkg is worth every penny, its just more upgrade/downtime than I want.

[IHOP]

I just sold my 2014 TA Gen V. I had Woodhouse install new headers and the arrow package which includes cam, heads and tweaked PCM. It was dynoing around 740HP and was very drivable.

Personally I would only trust Woodhouse.

Stay away from RSI.

Note: guess I will have to leave the group since I won't own a Viper any longer.

Let's be clear the Viper Exchange kit and the Woodhouse kit's are the Arrow/Prefix kit. Personally if someone is going to do that H/C kit I don't know what the benefit is of not just going to Arrow/Prefix directly? Is VE turning them out that much quicker? I don't think they are doing them much cheaper. I think having a middle man do the work is just asking for trouble when you could have the engine builder do the work directly!

I will say I have spoke with Antonio Cavlo directly before about a twin turbo build on my last Gen V. He was very knowledgable and you could hear how dedicated to these builds he is. Like Jack said it's important to look at the full dyno graph and speak with the builder about what type of warranty they offer on their build.

[Vipes]

I spent at least 6 months shopping all of these H/C kits. Considering the 1k-2k miles of transport since I'm not local to any of these shops, any negative reviews from other VOA members were highly factored into my decision. I decided to go with Calvo, the 2 year warranty and oiling mod/rebearing was good peace of mind for me. Also, most of these prices include new headers and exhaust so the price is significantly less if you already have them. In the past, I've personally dealt with Todd@A&C and Nth and had a great experience, both great options to choose from. Also, Prefix in MI is solid.

[98intrigue]

Is the new one using the OEM pcm?

HP Tuners.

[serpent]

If I could get 700+ rwhp with the Arrow kit, Id be headed to VE next week. Im assuming VE sells the same kit as Woodhouse. I know the Calvo and A&C kits would do it but they're quite a bit more money. I know VE advertises 755hp but thats at the crank.

I asked A&C how much their H&C kit is, its $15k for the entire package. Now you can add things and beef up the internals in case you want to go boosted. But their 7xxrwhp package is $15k. Unless they upped it (i hope not!!!) Lol i may want to go H&C soon too!!

[Tay]

I talked to Antonio a while back. Hes very knowledgeable on these cars and turns out an awesome package. He explained the "rebuild" work", bearing replacement and replacing 5th gear with different ratio as part of the package. I just wasnt sure I needed all that when a VE setup would get me a big jump in power for a decent amount less money. Im sure the Calvo pkg is worth every penny, its just more upgrade/downtime than I want.

Do you know the reasoning Calvo replaces 5th gear?

[Reaper]

I asked A&C how much their H&C kit is, its $15k for the entire package. Now you can add things and beef up the internals in case you want to go boosted. But their 7xxrwhp package is $15k. Unless they upped it (i hope not!!!) Lol i may want to go H&C soon too!!

If I lived in CA, Id go to A&C but Im in Arkansas. By the time you'd add shipping the car round trip to CA, Id be adding $2500 to it lol.
I can drive it to VE or Calvo's if I opt for them.

[Reaper]

Do you know the reasoning Calvo replaces 5th gear?

I believe it helps the car pull that OD better for people who like to run in the mile events.

[Jack B]

I believe it helps the car pull that OD better for people who like to run in the mile events.

Anytime you shift from 4th to 5th there is too great of a rpm drop with the oem gearset, the higher numerical 5th helps to eliminate that nose dive. The change will help on high speed tracks and 1/2 mile events also. The caveat is the hp, if you have enough hp, you may not need the change.

This is nothing new, SRT did this to some factory G4 cars.

[Tay]

I believe it helps the car pull that OD better for people who like to run in the mile events.

Anytime you shift from 4th to 5th there is too great of a rpm drop with the oem gearset, the higher numerical 5th helps to eliminate that nose dive. The change will help on high speed tracks and 1/2 mile events also. The caveat is the hp, if you have enough hp, you may not need the change.

This is nothing new, SRT did this to some factory G4 cars.

Gotcha. Thanks.