Heads Cam Exhaust Cost and Output

[Jack B]

Gotcha. Thanks.

Forgot to mention, 5 and 6 are in the back of the case, therefore, an easy change. Plus, you can change 5 or 6 independently

[nwa_viper]

Forgot to mention, 5 and 6 are in the back of the case, therefore, an easy change. Plus, you can change 5 or 6 independently

This is good information. I’d love to change out my 5th and 6th gears. I have the 0.63 6th and would prefer the 0.50 since I spend a lot of time on the interstate.

[No hemi]

Calvo , Nth; Calvo has a 2 yr warranty if im not mistaken.....

[serpent]

Calvo , Nth; Calvo has a 2 yr warranty if im not mistaken.....

How much are the calvo and nth packages?

[Meteoro]

Be careful asking for the cost, there is a smart a#$ saying "if you ask, you can't afford it"

[FrankBarba]

So Meteoro....If your getting work done do you give them your check book?

[ACRSNK]

Be careful asking for the cost, there is a smart a#$ saying "if you ask, you can't afford it"

I think that applies to buying the car, not getting work done on it. Pretty sure everyone getting work done on their car asks how much it will be.

[sadil]

How much are the calvo and nth packages?

Expect at least 18-20k for base HC setup with headers at Nth and Calvo.

AC in Cali is 15k. I believe Arrow is the same at the dealers.

[sadil]

I think that applies to buying the car, not getting work done on it. Pretty sure everyone getting work done on their car asks how much it will be.

Have you seen the clientele that show up? It’s more like, “when is it going to be done? I have an event to attend”

[ky13]

The people saying 'more than you can afford pal' (paraphrasing here) in response to people asking for a ballpark number should troll elsewhere lol.

[Meteoro]

So Meteoro....If your getting work done do you give them your check book?
NO, and that was my point asking, I was the first one asking how much for the setup

[Sub Driver]

Too bad you weren't the first to just go to Calvo's website and see it is 12k, lol.

[nwa_viper]

Too bad you weren't the first to just go to Calvo's website and see it is 12k, lol.

I was quoted 22K when I contacted them. They must have tiered packages I was not informed about.

[dirtyboot]

no one mention the cost $$$?

if you have to ask, you can't afford it

How much are the calvo and nth packages?

Be careful asking for the cost, there is a smart a#$ saying "if you ask, you can't afford it"

Everyone's jumping on the poor guy for asking a simple question, getting an asinine response, then trying to warn someone else before the tide turns on them for asking the same thing[even if sardonically]. Great group of class acts, but the comments should be directed to the culprit, not the victim.
If it's not disclosed here, the same question is going to be asked when calling any of the aforementioned shops, because the price is part of the transaction. It's part of the research associated with projects such as these - why waste my and the business' time if I can find out here at the one-stop shop where people have experienced all the various options and have already asked that question.

[Vipes]

Too bad you weren't the first to just go to Calvo's website and see it is 12k, lol.

That's actually accurate without cost for crank machining/rebearing and also without headers/exhaust. I'm not sure if you can get the package without the oiling/bearing mod anymore, not sure why you wouldn't want it but I'm sure you'd be leaving the 2 year shop warranty on the table.

[IHOP]

That's actually accurate without cost for crank machining/rebearing and also without headers/exhaust. I'm not sure if you can get the package without the oiling/bearing mod anymore, not sure why you wouldn't want it but I'm sure you'd be leaving the 2 year shop warranty on the table.

Agreed! I have spoke with Cavlo and he is very upfront about what can be done if you are shooting for a budget build but then he will explain and detail the costs for the best and most reliable build for each owner. Why would you not take the shops suggestions for the best build? I told Cavlo what I wanted to accomplish and that I was NOT on an unlimited budget. He didn't even skip a beat with telling me where I could save some money and where I should not not cut corners on a build! I really appreciated him being so candid and I have heard Nth is very similar in how they operate.

[catwood]

Everyone's jumping on the poor guy for asking a simple question, getting an asinine response, then trying to warn someone else before the tide turns on them for asking the same thing[even if sardonically]. Great group of class acts, but the comments should be directed to the culprit, not the victim.
If it's not disclosed here, the same question is going to be asked when calling any of the aforementioned shops, because the price is part of the transaction. It's part of the research associated with projects such as these - why waste my and the business' time if I can find out here at the one-stop shop where people have experienced all the various options and have already asked that question.

It was suppose to be a stab at humor......good grief........

[cubeman]

That's actually accurate without cost for crank machining/rebearing and also without headers/exhaust. I'm not sure if you can get the package without the oiling/bearing mod anymore, not sure why you wouldn't want it but I'm sure you'd be leaving the 2 year shop warranty on the table.

Considering the exhaust setup alone is 5-6k that 18-20k quote comes back down to 12-13k. As someone who already has ARH all the way to the back I was wondering where that price hike was coming from. Calvo's work is worth every penny, his support just makes uncomparable to anyone else

[Nth Moto]

I thought it would be worth adding a note in here that we feel is very important; be aware of comparing things in an apples to apples aspect here. Meaning, what all parts are included, and what does that mean as far as a total investment goes?

For instance, our "head/cam" system is priced as if the vehicle were completely stock and therefore includes ARH headers that are ceramic coated, the DSE intake heat shield, a billet underdrive pulley, a drop in filter upgrade, the HPT credits needed with tuning, as well as upgraded Injector Dynamics fuel injectors. In addition to that, the only stock components left related to valvetrain when completed are the valves and rockers themselves (which we offer upgrades for both if desired). That means upgraded lifters, pushrods, springs, and titanium retainers in addition to a complete bearing inspection during the build. Of course you have the camshaft itself and the needed modifications/parts to convert to a fixed position camshaft to begin with. Other companies out there do things very similarly to that, others do not.

Why group it all together? Well, for one some of those components help achieve the power goals that most customers are after and without them the results may fall short of their expectations. And secondly, we believe a vehicle should be looked at as a complete system as opposed to just individual parts. Those parts listed above as a whole combine to create a very good working system. To do all of that and try to pull through a factory air filter for instance, seems somewhat foolish to us. But to each their own, of course. Or installing headers that aren't at the bare minimum ceramic coated... not our style, so that cost is factored in as that's the way we believe it should be done.

So what's the overall cost? That depends on what you have to start with and what you want to finish with. It could be around $14 - 15K if you have all the supporting modifications in place already and they don't need any additional work. Or, it could be $19.5K if you need those. Or, it could be $22.5K or so if you want to blueprint the engine while it's apart. Add a clutch and it keeps going up.

Essentially the build is tailored to the customer's needs, wants, and current position. Quotes can vary by $10K quickly based on some small changes and details, so it's best to ultimately end up contacting the company(s) you're interested in working with to make sure you're getting all the information you need to make a decision.

There are some great vendors serving the Viper community right now and I'm sure each of them would be happy to explain the details of what goes into their finished product to anyone interested.

[sadil]

This is why Nth is the best. I don't think any of their clients walk away after the build feeling like something was missed. Owners seem to be really enjoying their Nth Moto builds.

I thought it would be worth adding a note in here that we feel is very important; be aware of comparing things in an apples to apples aspect here. Meaning, what all parts are included, and what does that mean as far as a total investment goes?

For instance, our "head/cam" system is priced as if the vehicle were completely stock and therefore includes ARH headers that are ceramic coated, the DSE intake heat shield, a billet underdrive pulley, a drop in filter upgrade, the HPT credits needed with tuning, as well as upgraded Injector Dynamics fuel injectors. In addition to that, the only stock components left related to valvetrain when completed are the valves and rockers themselves (which we offer upgrades for both if desired). That means upgraded lifters, pushrods, springs, and titanium retainers in addition to a complete bearing inspection during the build. Of course you have the camshaft itself and the needed modifications/parts to convert to a fixed position camshaft to begin with. Other companies out there do things very similarly to that, others do not.

Why group it all together? Well, for one some of those components help achieve the power goals that most customers are after and without them the results may fall short of their expectations. And secondly, we believe a vehicle should be looked at as a complete system as opposed to just individual parts. Those parts listed above as a whole combine to create a very good working system. To do all of that and try to pull through a factory air filter for instance, seems somewhat foolish to us. But to each their own, of course. Or installing headers that aren't at the bare minimum ceramic coated... not our style, so that cost is factored in as that's the way we believe it should be done.

So what's the overall cost? That depends on what you have to start with and what you want to finish with. It could be around $14 - 15K if you have all the supporting modifications in place already and they don't need any additional work. Or, it could be $19.5K if you need those. Or, it could be $22.5K or so if you want to blueprint the engine while it's apart. Add a clutch and it keeps going up.

Essentially the build is tailored to the customer's needs, wants, and current position. Quotes can vary by $10K quickly based on some small changes and details, so it's best to ultimately end up contacting the company(s) you're interested in working with to make sure you're getting all the information you need to make a decision.

There are some great vendors serving the Viper community right now and I'm sure each of them would be happy to explain the details of what goes into their finished product to anyone interested.

[SirHiss]

Well said Aaron!

Something he didn’t mention, and what should be blatantly obvious by his post alone, is the amazing customer care provided. I don’t know about you guys but I put a lot of value on the relationship and trust between shop and car owner... Aaron at NTH Moto has ALWAYS shown he puts customer concerns at the forefront of his mind and frankly in our previous conversations even helped bring up things I hadn’t thought about. He truly is a class act and there’s value associated with knowing your car is in good hands.

The same goes for Calvo and Todd with A&C. All guys are truly too notch.

We are blessed as a viper generation to have such great shops supporting our endless performance goals.

[ViperGeorge]

I thought it would be worth adding a note in here that we feel is very important; be aware of comparing things in an apples to apples aspect here. Meaning, what all parts are included, and what does that mean as far as a total investment goes?

For instance, our "head/cam" system is priced as if the vehicle were completely stock and therefore includes ARH headers that are ceramic coated, the DSE intake heat shield, a billet underdrive pulley, a drop in filter upgrade, the HPT credits needed with tuning, as well as upgraded Injector Dynamics fuel injectors. In addition to that, the only stock components left related to valvetrain when completed are the valves and rockers themselves (which we offer upgrades for both if desired). That means upgraded lifters, pushrods, springs, and titanium retainers in addition to a complete bearing inspection during the build. Of course you have the camshaft itself and the needed modifications/parts to convert to a fixed position camshaft to begin with. Other companies out there do things very similarly to that, others do not.

Why group it all together? Well, for one some of those components help achieve the power goals that most customers are after and without them the results may fall short of their expectations. And secondly, we believe a vehicle should be looked at as a complete system as opposed to just individual parts. Those parts listed above as a whole combine to create a very good working system. To do all of that and try to pull through a factory air filter for instance, seems somewhat foolish to us. But to each their own, of course. Or installing headers that aren't at the bare minimum ceramic coated... not our style, so that cost is factored in as that's the way we believe it should be done.

So what's the overall cost? That depends on what you have to start with and what you want to finish with. It could be around $14 - 15K if you have all the supporting modifications in place already and they don't need any additional work. Or, it could be $19.5K if you need those. Or, it could be $22.5K or so if you want to blueprint the engine while it's apart. Add a clutch and it keeps going up.

Essentially the build is tailored to the customer's needs, wants, and current position. Quotes can vary by $10K quickly based on some small changes and details, so it's best to ultimately end up contacting the company(s) you're interested in working with to make sure you're getting all the information you need to make a decision.

There are some great vendors serving the Viper community right now and I'm sure each of them would be happy to explain the details of what goes into their finished product to anyone interested.

Thanks for the thorough write-up. Four questions. One how much RWHP do you typically achieve with your H/C builds? Two, have you ever used Swain coatings on your headers and exhaust? Do you have customers that regularly track their cars and is cooling ever an issue? Can the car run on 91 octane as that is all that is available in many states out west?

[Nth Moto]

This is why Nth is the best. I don't think any of their clients walk away after the build feeling like something was missed. Owners seem to be really enjoying their Nth Moto builds.

Well said Aaron!

Something he didn’t mention, and what should be blatantly obvious by his post alone, is the amazing customer care provided. I don’t know about you guys but I put a lot of value on the relationship and trust between shop and car owner... Aaron at NTH Moto has ALWAYS shown he puts customer concerns at the forefront of his mind and frankly in our previous conversations even helped bring up things I hadn’t thought about. He truly is a class act and there’s value associated with knowing your car is in good hands.

The same goes for Calvo and Todd with A&C. All guys are truly too notch.

We are blessed as a viper generation to have such great shops supporting our endless performance goals.

Thanks for the kind words guys. We're equally blessed to have such great customers.

Thanks for the thorough write-up. Four questions. One how much RWHP do you typically achieve with your H/C builds? Two, have you ever used Swain coatings on your headers and exhaust? Do you have customers that regularly track their cars and is cooling ever an issue? Can the car run on 91 octane as that is all that is available in many states out west?

Typically our cars will finish off with around a 150 WHP gain using SAE correction over the stock baseline testing of that particular car, something we do on every car we build. Most OEM Gen V's dyno around 515-525 WHP on the dyno we use, with a few "freaks" here and there that have been outliers. Speaking about the delta from OEM is more important than the peak to me; as without baseline information it doesn't tell you a whole lot. From a straight "dyno glory" numbers perspective, our highest stock bottom end car has tested at 695 WHP, and 755 WHP for a built engine (stock displacement). Again, keep in mind the delta.

We have used Swain in the past and they make a good product, although we do not use them in normal circumstances. If a customer "had to" have it from a brand aspect, that's no issue really.

Yes we do RE: owners tracking, and typically no. I'm always quick to say your results may vary though, since their are track drivers that have said their stock cars make it to 245*+ and others that say they never see close to that. Driving style does come into play here, and how willing that owner is to implement additional heat protection strategies can directly impact those results as well. If approached properly based upon the intended use of the car, heat can be managed.

We don't raise the compression on our combinations via cutting the heads or running thinner gaskets, etc, so that we can comfortably tune for 91 octane if need be. Sure, there is some power on the table there, but that can be said for a lot of things on the "normal" head/cam combinations.

[Topplayer]

does prefix do H&C builds?

why go to VE when you can go direct to prefix if thats the case?

[J TNT]

does prefix do H&C builds?

why go to VE when you can go direct to prefix if thats the case?

Yes Prefix does head and cam builds and more.........