take a 9 0 liter ACR to nurburgring

[Jprince]

I just finished reading the long thread over on corvette forums about the attempt at the record with LG motorsports car. The list of mods on the car was unreal but they insisted that it was all fair and ALL other brands turn up their cars and even the viper were NOT stock. I could not believe all the BS that was said over there. There attempt had a lot of problems, mostly being too loud and getting kicked off the track multiple times, which does not surprise me after going to the 1/2 mile event and hearing how obnoxiously loud the corvettes were. There best lap wound up with a 7:35. Of course the excuses rolled out and lack of power and traffic were the main 2. They had modded a motor to make well over 700rwhp but had to knock it back down with exhaust but they still admitted it was still more than stock.
If they can take a car over there that has been modded to that extent and say its within stock parameters. I would love to be able to see a funded attempt to take a 9 liter setup with whatever tires, suspension it takes to just see what the viper has potential to do. The corvette guys commented that the viper attempt was maxed out but they weren't even close. lol
After seeing all the cars at the 1/2 mile event, I can tell you that the viper is hands down the most impressive there being able to run the speed that it does and be so docile and with full street tires and street capabilities. I know that is a different setup, but its just another thing the viper has proven to do well.
Any of you big track guys ever think about taking your built viper to the ring?

[TrackAire]

If I'm understanding your post, you need to know it was never meant to be a "production car" record attempt. LG knows that there is a lot of cheating by manufacturers claiming stock cars....they are in the business of selling aftermarket parts and were trying to market this attempt to gain more business. The Z06 modded by LG Motorsports was never meant to be stock, take a stock production record or anything like that. It started as more of a tuner challenge here in the USA and became a shit show once it started. The promise of Ring track time, free shipping to Germany, etc is what got LG committed.

The goal was to try to be the first to get the new C7 below the 7 minute mark since GM has failed the Corvette yet did a stellar job with the new Camaro ZL1 1LE at the Ring. There are thousands of posts on the corvetteforum arguing about C7 Ring times, if they matter, if they don't, if they cheat, if others cheat, etc, etc. Welcome of the beer google world of Vette owners. 99% of Vettes sold will never be taken to the track....But the owners think a spirited mountain road drive makes them experts on the track and what the car is capable of. Being the corvetteforum, you will get all sorts of opinions, stupidity, excuses, etc. etc.

I truly believe that a stock ACR-E could have gone under 7:00 minutes with the right conditions. A modded Viper might be 5 to 8 seconds faster due to the better acceleration curve, especially on the long straight. I don't think added power will be as measurable on the curves, etc where downforce and especially tire grip (and life) are key. I would love to see somebody try with a modded Viper and am also willing to contribute to the attempt as we did a couple of years ago.

[Jprince]

It was actually Lou that made the comment that the vipers used were NOT straight off the production line. He is also the one that made the comment several times that the corvette they built was NOT beyond what they considered a stock ZR1. He had also pointed out that the corvette was not in the lineup of production car lap times at the ring and he was trying to change that, which I did not understand how they could consider that to be a comparison at all. All the other idiots that always make comments of how nothing can EVER beat a corvette, all I can do is lmao. I don't have a problem with the corvette, just the attitude that a lot of the owners and enthusiast have and the lack of knowledge of what other cars out there can do. There is a long list of cars that I would love to have,(not a corvette) but I would not get rid of my viper to have one.

[FLATOUT]

Maybe I should call Lou and set him straight. The Viper record attempt was one of the most, if not the most accessible record run for media members ever. We had magazines basically imbedded with the group the entire time. We also had to do almost ALL of our testing during industry pool hours which meant Porsche, Aston, Bugatti, Toyota, and Lotus all had the opportunity to look our cars over and we welcomed it.

The Viper ACR attempt of 2017 was one of the most legitimate attempts done in the last 5 years or so.


Andy

It was actually Lou that made the comment that the vipers used were NOT straight off the production line. He is also the one that made the comment several times that the corvette they built was NOT beyond what they considered a stock ZR1. He had also pointed out that the corvette was not in the lineup of production car lap times at the ring and he was trying to change that, which I did not understand how they could consider that to be a comparison at all. All the other idiots that always make comments of how nothing can EVER beat a corvette, all I can do is lmao. I don't have a problem with the corvette, just the attitude that a lot of the owners and enthusiast have and the lack of knowledge of what other cars out there can do. There is a long list of cars that I would love to have,(not a corvette) but I would not get rid of my viper to have one.

[TrackAire]

Maybe I should call Lou and set him straight. The Viper record attempt was one of the most, if not the most accessible record run for media members ever. We had magazines basically imbedded with the group the entire time. We also had to do almost ALL of our testing during industry pool hours which meant Porsche, Aston, Bugatti, Toyota, and Lotus all had the opportunity to look our cars over and we welcomed it.

The Viper ACR attempt of 2017 was one of the most legitimate attempts done in the last 5 years or so.


Andy

I think of Lou as the Archie Bunker of the aftermarket tuner world.

I believe Lou really does live in his own world and it's either his way or the highway. After reading a lot of his posts and rants on the corvetteforum, IMO he seems to be a bit of a dick. He lost his shit when another vendor started doing mono ball A-Arms.....Lou felt since he already sold them nobody else should be able to, lol. Having said that, I am a customer of LG Motorsports because he does make certain products for my track car that nobody else does (like billet drop spindles).

Regarding setting Lou straight, I posted exactly what you just said and also posted both of Dale Lomas' videos regarding all the cheating that goes on at the Ring regarding "production car" attempts and how impressed he was with the ACR-E attempt and it truly being a factory production car on the corvetteforum months ago. I explained that it was probably the most transparent Ring attempt ever done. Nobody would comment on the video's done by an expert that pretty much lives at the Ring that the ACR-E attempt was as factory as it gets. Some Vette owners get it, the majority have their head in the sand.

[Arizona Vipers]

I think of Lou as the Archie Bunker of the aftermarket tuner world.

I believe Lou really does live in his own world and it's either his way or the highway. After reading a lot of his posts and rants on the corvetteforum, IMO he seems to be a bit of a dick. He lost his shit when another vendor started doing mono ball A-Arms.....Lou felt since he already sold them nobody else should be able to, lol. Having said that, I am a customer of LG Motorsports because he does make certain products for my track car that nobody else does (like billet drop spindles).

Regarding setting Lou straight, I posted exactly what you just said and also posted both of Dale Lomas' videos regarding all the cheating that goes on at the Ring regarding "production car" attempts and how impressed he was with the ACR-E attempt and it truly being a factory production car on the corvetteforum months ago. I explained that it was probably the most transparent Ring attempt ever done. Nobody would comment on the video's done by an expert that pretty much lives at the Ring that the ACR-E attempt was as factory as it gets. Some Vette owners get it, the majority have their head in the sand.

LOL on the archie bunker comment! So what do the vette guys think? That we cheated? How? Running heads/cam? It would be very hard to take weight off the ACR without anyone seeing it.

[Racingswh]

I am not sure why Lou thought it was a good idea to try a Ring attempt? Doesn't seem to me like the return on investment math would work.

I like both cars although I am not a fan of the new ZR1 aesthetically. I don't like the front and I don't like the wing. In contrast everything about the ACR-E just looks incredible to me.

While cool I am not sure what the financial benefit would be to taking a 9.0 over? It's an extremely expensive endeavor and in order to put down a fast time you need the right driver, good weather and no traffic. A 9.0 owner without Ring experience would have a hard time putting down a competitive time there.

I think Stradman will experience it at some point but it's doubtful, even if his driving skill and car can manage it, that he would get a lap clear enough to put down a time that starts with a 6.

[Terminator02]

IIRC blowing out the stock tires was the issue likely secondary to down force. The tires would get slaughtered on a 9.0L I would imagine

[serpent]

If anything Dodge should have worked closely with Michelin to produce a tire that is head and shoulders above the rest. Aka the tires on the GT2RS and GT3RS both of which run sub 7 min times at the ring. But honestly you cannot expect to beat the German cars at their own turf, especially if they have 100% access to the track while everyone else has to get an okay-go/no go.

[TrackAire]

If anything Dodge should have worked closely with Michelin to produce a tire that is head and shoulders above the rest. Aka the tires on the GT2RS and GT3RS both of which run sub 7 min times at the ring. But honestly you cannot expect to beat the German cars at their own turf, especially if they have 100% access to the track while everyone else has to get an okay-go/no go.

Dodge left Michelin hanging and owing them money when the government stepped in to bailout Dodge around 2009. There is no way Michelin is going to spend time and money developing a very small quantity and odd size tire for a company that screwed them and didn't pay their bills. I'm not sure if the relationship between FCA and Michelin has been repaired.

Ever wonder why Pirelli was the tire supplier for the Gen 5?......they're Italian, Fiat's Italian, Fiat owns Dodge.....

[13COBRA]

Dodge left Michelin hanging and owing them money when the government stepped in to bailout Dodge around 2009. There is no way Michelin is going to spend time and money developing a very small quantity and odd size tire for a company that screwed them and didn't pay their bills. I'm not sure if the relationship between FCA and Michelin has been repaired.

Ever wonder why Pirelli was the tire supplier for the Gen 5?......they're Italian, Fiat's Italian, Fiat owns Dodge.....

Exactly. It's unfortunate, but true.

Not to mention, there isn't a tire manufacturer in the world that would strap on some heavy R&D expense for an odd ball sized tire, that the majority of cars they will fit are not being produced any more.

[Heysie]

Is the claim for 100 HP loss with the dB killer they mounted on Lou's Corvette not a bit high?

[Arizona Vipers]

Is the claim for 100 HP loss with the dB killer they mounted on Lou's Corvette not a bit high?

[06SRTCoupe]

A 9.0L Extreme ACR-E with a better tire (R888R?) would be down in the 6:25 - 6:30 range....maybe even lower. This is a hypothetical to include a pro driver in the seat, testing time, and the full compliment of a funded couple weeks out there. Heck even on the stock Kuhmo's, the E would still be in the 6:40's...or quicker.

[Bryan Savage]

I just skimmed through all of the Corvette Forums post and let me get this straight...

Lou at LG Motorsports thought he was going to rock up to the Nurburgring with an extensively modified Corvette, set a sub-seven-minute lap time during a public session and put his car on the leaderboard for fastest factory cars?

No.

Just no.

I don't doubt Lou's talent. He's definitely faster than I'll ever be, and he got his car there and on track, which is awesome, but I can't get behind his justification for modifications saying things to the tune of "well, the Viper has a big wing and stuff, so my mods are still factory". Or, "Look, the 599XX is a 'factory tuned' car, so that's what I'll compete for too" thought process.

He should have just said "Hey Community, I've been making a bunch of cool parts for years and now I'm going to take a car to the Ring and run some fast laps for no record of any kind, but just because it's awesome." I'm fully for that. But don't compare your crazy 800hp Corvette to an OEM anything and say they're in the same class.

On the same token, taking a 9-liter Viper there would be awesome... for no other reason except it's awesome. But for any kind of official record? Nope.

[Jprince]

I just skimmed through all of the Corvette Forums post and let me get this straight...

Lou at LG Motorsports thought he was going to rock up to the Nurburgring with an extensively modified Corvette, set a sub-seven-minute lap time during a public session and put his car on the leaderboard for fastest factory cars?

No.

Just no.

I don't doubt Lou's talent. He's definitely faster than I'll ever be, and he got his car there and on track, which is awesome, but I can't get behind his justification for modifications saying things to the tune of "well, the Viper has a big wing and stuff, so my mods are still factory". Or, "Look, the 599XX is a 'factory tuned' car, so that's what I'll compete for too" thought process.

He should have just said "Hey Community, I've been making a bunch of cool parts for years and now I'm going to take a car to the Ring and run some fast laps for no record of any kind, but just because it's awesome." I'm fully for that. But don't compare your crazy 800hp Corvette to an OEM anything and say they're in the same class.

On the same token, taking a 9-liter Viper there would be awesome... for no other reason except it's awesome. But for any kind of official record? Nope.

My thoughts exactly. He was making no sense on the thinking it should be considered stock. Apparently when the ACR was introduced, it was cheating, obviously because the corvette couldn't beat it, LOL

i just thought it would be really cool to have all the best mods available for a badass ACR and take it back to the ring and just see what it can do. The viper has proven to do a lot of things extremely well so far.

[06SRTCoupe]

Can someone post the link to this thread on the Corvette Forum?

[Heysie]

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-update-7.html

[06SRTCoupe]

Wow...I just read through that whole thing. I am very tempted to go in there and call LG out. I understand that he is skeptical about Porsche and other cars...but to throw the Viper in there is ridiculous. Everyone here (well mostly everyone) knows that the two ACR-E's that were sent over was a privately funded event. Heck the cars were donated by a dealership...not from Dodge. No special factory performance additions there! The cars had roll cages...that's it. Without those cages, that 7:01 could have been 6.xx...but I digress. It is also comical that he would try and pass off his C7Z as being production status when it is heavily modded and 250HP more than stock. WTF? I know he has been a great ambassador to the Corvette world...and I love Corvette's and have owned many...but his arrogance and defensiveness about the Viper and his heavily modded Z is that of a child.

He should take Trackaire's advice and start a funding campaign early, then try and go back in April for a private event. He just needs to know that nobody on this planet will count his Z's time as a production lap.

Having said all of that, I would donate to the cause because I love the C7Z and LG is a staple in the Corvette world. He just needs to tone down his bashing of the Viper because he doesn't know the whole story of how it got over there and ran its time...

[TrackAire]

Wow...I just read through that whole thing. I am very tempted to go in there and call LG out. I understand that he is skeptical about Porsche and other cars...but to throw the Viper in there is ridiculous. Everyone here (well mostly everyone) knows that the two ACR-E's that were sent over was a privately funded event. Heck the cars were donated by a dealership...not from Dodge. No special factory performance additions there! The cars had roll cages...that's it. Without those cages, that 7:01 could have been 6.xx...but I digress. It is also comical that he would try and pass off his C7Z as being production status when it is heavily modded and 250HP more than stock. WTF? I know he has been a great ambassador to the Corvette world...and I love Corvette's and have owned many...but his arrogance and defensiveness about the Viper and his heavily modded Z is that of a child.

He should take Trackaire's advice and start a funding campaign early, then try and go back in April for a private event. He just needs to know that nobody on this planet will count his Z's time as a production lap.

Having said all of that, I would donate to the cause because I love the C7Z and LG is a staple in the Corvette world. He just needs to tone down his bashing of the Viper because he doesn't know the whole story of how it got over there and ran its time...

I was pretty surprised when I suggested a go fund me type campaign that it was pretty much blown off....and that it needed to be done months before he went to the Ring. IIRC, I mentioned that even if that shyster Rob from Super Speeders did come through with shipping and private Ring time, it would still be very expensive regardless while staying in Germany. And that was assuming that nothing major went go wrong.

I would donate regardless if it was a private Viper, Corvette, Mustang or Camaro attempt......I find it very entertaining to follow the attempt and love learning from their trials and tribulations. A great Ring time would just be an added bonus.

Obviously I failed at conveying the importance of a go fund me campaign to the Corvette forum or Lou.

[06SRTCoupe]

I was pretty surprised when I suggested a go fund me type campaign that it was pretty much blown off....and that it needed to be done months before he went to the Ring. IIRC, I mentioned that even if that shyster Rob from Super Speeders did come through with shipping and private Ring time, it would still be very expensive regardless while staying in Germany. And that was assuming that nothing major went go wrong.

I would donate regardless if it was a private Viper, Corvette, Mustang or Camaro attempt......I find it very entertaining to follow the attempt and love learning from their trials and tribulations. A great Ring time would just be an added bonus.

Obviously I failed at conveying the importance of a go fund me campaign to the Corvette forum or Lou.

Completely agree! Heck even with the 150K for the Viper event, the costs still ran over. Granted, there were unforeseen problems. However, you have to plan for every possible outcome...even the negative ones. Now I'm sure that cost would be less since Lou is not hiring drivers...but still. If you want a private track rental on the ring, bring 100K for ALL expenses. After rental and shipping costs...that should leave you with 25K left over just in case. Don't assume someone can "hook you up" with anything. Money talks...have that money in your bank account before committing. I would bet that, with the following LG has over there, they could raise a good chunk of cash for another attempt in April. Also, I believe a private track rental is much more relaxed on the decibel levels.

[TrackAire]

Completely agree! Heck even with the 150K for the Viper event, the costs still ran over. Granted, there were unforeseen problems. However, you have to plan for every possible outcome...even the negative ones. Now I'm sure that cost would be less since Lou is not hiring drivers...but still. If you want a private track rental on the ring, bring 100K for ALL expenses. After rental and shipping costs...that should leave you with 25K left over just in case. Don't assume someone can "hook you up" with anything. Money talks...have that money in your bank account before committing. I would bet that, with the following LG has over there, they could raise a good chunk of cash for another attempt in April. Also, I believe a private track rental is much more relaxed on the decibel levels.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to most Corvette owners, but from what I've seen they are a little bit on the "frugal" side if you know what I mean. I don't think they would have raised more than the Viper nation....even though they have a huge Vette population by comparison.

From what I could gather, vehicle freight and track time were to be taken care of for winning the USA portion of the event. I figured if they could raise between $75k and $100k, that would be a good buffer for added people to fly over, hotel rooms, food, car issues while there, beer parties, entertainment from beautiful young Fraulein's, etc.....you know, just the basics to keep a guy happy and focused

[13COBRA]

This is where I lost it hahahaha

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[ViperGeorge]

This is where I lost it hahahaha

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That is pretty stupid. How can it be a production car with those mods? Hell if that is the case then the ACR could have run with different tires that lasted more than one lap.

[Bryan Savage]

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