Do we know invoice & hold-back numbers yet?

[Dman]

I'm wondering because as I'm thumbing thru listings, I'm seeing the pricing is getting agressive out there.

I've seen 2 TAs listed at $120k for sale at $113k and wondering if that's invoice or is there more in there, or ...

And before this thread turns into a "gen5's priced too high blah dee blurr dee barf", I've been holding for vert news and getting a little itchy for a gen5 already, IMO they're a bargain, but if too good of a bargain I might just go ahead and pick one up.

Hec, if there were a TA too irresistable, or a silver/aero, etc. Hmm, lol.

[VRYALT3R3D]

The base srt trim's invoice is $93xxxx. The TA isn't a separate model like the GTS is, but an option on the SRT trim. I will find out the invoice for the TA trim for you tomorrow. My guess would be $11-13k for the TA package.

[Late Apex]

TA MSRP is 120,480 as you mention and I too have found one for 113k. I was under the impression about 10k profit margin at MSRP. If so, 113k still makes a profit. There is a limited edition made and until a newer model comes out like the GT? I cannot imagine a new one for much less than 113k. Crystal ball broke!!

[mnc2886]

I have seen a detailed invoice. The base price invoices are about what has been posted here, but the options are 100% mark ups from the invoice cost of the option. So, take the base price invoice and add 50% of the MSRP cost of the option and you'll have your invoice or pretty close. Hold back I would guess is about 3%. There may also be dealer incentives you can't see.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

My DREAM CAR research makes me believe that if you don't want your SRT dealer to make a penny on a TA, you would be at: $111,385.

[This ensures he wont be around to service the car, making NOTHING is a formula to fail.]

[Shooter]

Hec, if there were a TA too irresistable, or a silver/aero, etc. Hmm, lol.

I think I saw one on the Viper exchange website. There is a White w/ Gunmetal stripes and Aero that I'd like to have as a touring car, but I think I also saw a silver w/ aero car too. Might already be sold though.

[Policy Limits]

What's MSRP on the GTS?

[Dman]

My DREAM CAR research makes me believe that if you don't want your SRT dealer to make a penny on a TA, you would be at: $111,385.

[This ensures he wont be around to service the car, making NOTHING is a formula to fail.]

That seems too high.

If all the others are correct who say they've seen detailed invoice info, then;

$93,500 base SRT invoice, then they say options are essentially 100% markup, so $16,000 for the TA pkg, throwing an extra grand on it even -
$9,000 TA pkg

That's $104,500 at invoice estimated for a TA.

And that leaves the hold back still there for them, which should be in the $3,000+ range. I bought two Jeep products this month and one had a hold back of $1200 and the other $1500, and they were $40k for one & $50k for the other, so about 3% looks dead on. FYI, on both of these, bought at separate dealers about a week apart, I got $500 under invoice and half the holdback dollars, great deals and the dealers netted about a grand in profit. Netting $3-4K on a viper doesn't sound like drumming a dealer out of business, seem more profitable then paying the floor space & taxes, etc.

I'm not trying to be a cheap bastard or suggest the TA isn't a steal at $120k, I'm just weighing buying now & then they make the vert and I want that and 18-24 mos I want to swap, and mitigating that gap, this is also the only reason I'm thinking about one of those first run red TP cars, even though I'm not a big fan of red. If no vert or no vert for a long time then I want a coupe, but if one comes, then I want it.

If I hadn't sworn I'd not do yet another black viper, I'd pick up one of the ridonkulous discount deals out there I've seen, but they seem to all be black, which I obviously love but I've got to do something different.

Now I've heard rumor SRT may make an announcement in April. So again I'm debating on hanging on for that news ... with my luck if I wait again, the news will be about the Baracuda, if I don't, it'll be about the vert, lol. First world problems.

[Policy Limits]

You did great on your car; best I've heard

[Dman]

You did great on your car; best I've heard

And interstingly neither of those great deals invloved any hardball, I'd like to say I'm an awesome negotiator, but I wasn't even pushing on price.

The first was a Jeep Rubicon, loaded, and we were debating on it and a Sahara at another dealer since we wanted Silver, told him we were grabbing lunch and just deciding if the Rubicon was worth the extra cash over the Sahara, by the time the food came the sales manager hit my cell and offered me that deal to take the Jeep that day, I couldn't pass it up.

The second I just called a dealer who had an Overland with the 5.7 hemi, told him I was comparing against an Explorer Sport and wanted to compare his best number against Ford, he called back 15 mins later with this deal, I did paperwork over email and went in & picked it up, literally a 30 mins total time to sell.

I'm thrilled with both, we've had 5 previous Jeeps, so now 7 in total. Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep got $90K+ of my biz this month and we both got great results and with no haggling / bargaining, crap, etc. Completely happy start to finish and that was with 2 different dealers.

Funny note, I did go by one dealer and asked about the Overland, etc. I looked at the SRT Jeep but the $ for it I just can't justify, and the sales guy told me how it pulled 9 G's, like the Viper. That all SRTs are designed to pull 9 G's in cornering. I asked him if it comes with a pressure suit so you don't pass out, we laughed, but I think for different reasons. Funny.

[ViperSmith]

Ralph had something cryptic on his twitter the other week

[GRNBGON]

Verts are not coming any time soon. Enjoy a Gen V Coupe now!

[Policy Limits]

Acr, acr!! Acr, acr!!

[Slaughterj]

That seems too high.

If all the others are correct who say they've seen detailed invoice info, then;

$93,500 base SRT invoice, then they say options are essentially 100% markup, so $16,000 for the TA pkg, throwing an extra grand on it even -
$9,000 TA pkg

That's $104,500 at invoice estimated for a TA.

Are you sure about those numbers? It would seem you would add the full delivery/destination fee and the full gas tax to the base invoice price, then half of the price of the options.

[Dman]

Are you sure about those numbers? It would seem you would add the full delivery/destination fee and the full gas tax to the base invoice price, then half of the price of the options.

No I'm not including anything but the car for these numbers, the delivery, guzzler, etc are fixed so I leave those off as you're paying that no matter what, like taxes, so on an offer I'd add those on top of the number I'm talking about.

[mnc2886]

Ralph had something cryptic on his twitter the other week

What did he say?

[Ohiotj]

Ex. 2014 viper ta. 120480 is msrp. 113365 is invoice. Ep price is 107772. Hb is 3555. Friends and family price is 112306. Only incentives are 1000 for a lease pull ahead.

[Slaughterj]

No I'm not including anything but the car for these numbers, the delivery, guzzler, etc are fixed so I leave those off as you're paying that no matter what, like taxes, so on an offer I'd add those on top of the number I'm talking about.

How about showing all your work, including those numbers, to be sure we are all talking about the same thing?

[Slaughterj]

Ex. 2014 viper ta. 120480 is msrp. 113365 is invoice. Ep price is 107772. Hb is 3555. Friends and family price is 112306. Only incentives are 1000 for a lease pull ahead.

Are those MSRP and invoice prices with or without gas guzzler and destination fees? What is "Ep", employee?

[Slaughterj]

Personally I think everyone should present complete consistent numbers so everyone can be sure they understand. E.g., for a base 2013, 2013 GTS, base 2014, 2014 GTS, and 2014 TA, I think it would be interesting to see a chart with the following:
Base Price
Total Price a/k/a MSRP (without options, this would be the Base Price, plus Gas Guzzler Tax and Destination Fee)
Invoice Price (with and without Gas Guzzler Tax and Destination Fee)
Any other prices or information, including employee price, friends and family price, holdback, and options markup (50% on all?)

[Dman]

Ex. 2014 viper ta. 120480 is msrp. 113365 is invoice. Ep price is 107772. Hb is 3555. Friends and family price is 112306. Only incentives are 1000 for a lease pull ahead.

Cool, we seem really close. I was at $104,500 .. throw on guzzler & delivery and we're right about at the $107,772 you're quoting. IMO, if a $109K offer is accepted on a TA, that's a too good to pass up number. (that includes everything except TTT)


Of course when I see an SRT for $84K brand new, I can't help but think, snag it and do the headers/corsa and a set of wheels from Tony, aftermarket spoiler. Man that's a deal, if it were a mid-atlantic car I think I'd have already done it.

[Ohiotj]

Those numbers are right off a dealer invoice. It includes all options and fees in the msrp. Ep is employee price.

[Ohiotj]

FYI if you look on edmunds website you can price any car for sale in the good old US of A. You type in each option and it tells you msrp and dealer invoice right next to it. As well as what incentives are going on. Plus destination fees.

Www.edmunds.com

[Slaughterj]

Cool, we seem really close. I was at $104,500 .. throw on guzzler & delivery and we're right about at the $107,772 you're quoting. IMO, if a $109K offer is accepted on a TA, that's a too good to pass up number. (that includes everything except TTT)

If Invoice is 113365, and you get for 104500, even with HB 3555, that seems like a big dealer loss?

[Slaughterj]

Just to note, everyone is slinging around the 50% options price being invoice, but invoice price for options on edmunds is only 90% of MSRP for invoice price of options.