Gen IV Actual Market Value

[SA Heat]

It’s interesting how Gen IV owners here feel the way to promote their generation is to denigrate other generations.

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[str5010]

And with equally skilled drivers like at Laguna Seca the Gen V ACR beat the Gen IV by five seconds. Guess it depends how you define “comparable”.

It’s interesting how Gen IV owners here feel the way to promote their generation is to denigrate other generations.

My Gen IV is great because its provided hours of fun on track without letting me down while still being comfortable enough to drive 10 hours to Detroit and back.

[06SRTCoupe]

Oh relax ViperJon. Did you get your feelings hurt?

I do agree though that comparing ACR's between Gen IV and V is foolish...Gen V wins every time. You would have to put better aero, car on brakes, and the same tire as the Gen V ACR to get any real conparison.

[Stealth78]

Oh relax ViperJon. Did you get your feelings hurt?

I do agree though that comparing ACR's between Gen IV and V is foolish...Gen V wins every time. You would have to put better aero, car on brakes, and the same tire as the Gen V ACR to get any real conparison.

Simply put a GenV intake on with a slightly more free flowing exhaust like the GenV, combine that with CC brakes and that 5 second difference he speaks of is probably closer to 2 seconds. Not a bad compromise for a car that can be had for half the price.

[Old Surfer]

I feel like the GenII GTS is the black sheep of Viper's.

What??

[ViperJon]

Oh relax ViperJon. Did you get your feelings hurt? .

Can you blame me? Every time I look in my garage and see that crappy 2017 GTS-R I get consumed with jealousy.

[viperBase1]

Sounds to me like some folks are cherry picking their data.

Kelly Blue Book (KBB) is not appropriate for valuation of a Viper, or any other supercar for that matter.

I don't even look at KBB to value the C7 Corvette Grandsport market I'm watching n' that's a high production car.
The business of KBB is high production consumer cars.

If you're going to reference KBB, they have a very different definition of "Low Mileage".
For example, a 2008 (a 10 year old car) with 25,000 miles => 2,500 miles / year is considered extremely low mileage.
They also warn about seals, gaskets, lubed joints and bearings of "hardly used" cars (e.g. < ~3000 miles).
Research the KBB website.

One point that KBB does agree on is the Maintenance Record.
A car with <10,000 miles / year + a great Maintenance Record beats the snot out of a car <~3000 total miles.

[06SRTCoupe]

Can you blame me? Every time I look in my garage and see that crappy 2017 GTS-R I get consumed with jealousy.

Whoa...I knew you were upset but I didn't think you were this upset! Cheer up fella. Everything is going to be ok! Maybe go hug a puppy or something.

[Stealth78]

What??

If you're going to quote me please be sure to include the reason that I had mentioned. I am not saying that I don't like the GenII GTS but I do believe the car would have been more "Viper" with a side exit exhaust.

[soundkillr]

If you're going to quote me please be sure to include the reason that I had mentioned. I am not saying that I don't like the GenII GTS but I do believe the car would have been more "Viper" with a side exit exhaust.

This is true, plus with the gen 3/4 you get the wave from all the corvette owners and s2000 vtec guys!

[Old Surfer]

If you're going to quote me please be sure to include the reason that I had mentioned. I am not saying that I don't like the GenII GTS but I do believe the car would have been more "Viper" with a side exit exhaust.

So to be clear, you're saying that the Gen II GTS is the black sheep of the Viper family because it does not have side pipe exit exhausts?

[soundkillr]

So to be clear, you're saying that the Gen II GTS is the black sheep of the Viper family because it does not have side pipe exit exhausts?

I think what he means is, the gen 1 2 and 5 dont have vtec.

[ACRucrazy]

Adjustable aero package, two piece rotors, wheels, ride height and two way adjustable KW suspension, higher rate front anti roll bar and springs. Lap timer if it's a hardcore option car with an additional 40 lbs weight reduction. ACR package was a $12k option.

If I recall, the ACR package increased to $14,000/$14,500 by 2009 or 2010.

[Stealth78]

So to be clear, you're saying that the Gen II GTS is the black sheep of the Viper family because it does not have side pipe exit exhausts?

Correct!

[Stealth78]

I think what he means is, the gen 1 2 and 5 dont have vtec.

I could not be more confused by your statement.

[Old Surfer]

Correct!

Well, I will have to humbly disagree with you on that assessment. Although it was the second Generation, I consider it the blueprint for which all other Vipers have spawned. The body shape, clam shell hood, performance, tire sizes, were all considered crazy back in '96. It is a car icon. Dodge/SRT realized this and the Generation V was created in the II's image. Its acceleration and corning ability were good enough to win their class at Le Mans 3 straight times.

"The Oreca team would strengthen their dominance in FIA GT in 1998, as the team managed to win all but one event in the ten race schedule. Oreca would also take their first class victory at Le Mans with an eleventh place overall finish. Chamberlain continued as a privateer in FIA GT earning several points, as well as earning a 14th-place finish at Daytona. Meanwhile, the Oftedahl Motorsport would purchase a Viper GTS-R and go on to score six class wins in the British GT Championship, including an overall race win at Silverstone and earning Kurt Luby and Richard Dean the drivers' championship."

"For 1999, Oreca's efforts were expanded further, as the team now operated in two championships: A two-car team in the new American Le Mans Series and the existing two car team already competing in FIA GT. FIA GT saw the Vipers once again sweep the series with nine wins for Oreca, and a lone win for the Paul Belmondo Viper. Chamberlain improved their team to finish second in the championship, while GLPK Carsport would be the fourth Viper squad to compete. A similar story occurred in the ALMS, with Oreca winning six races and taking that championship as well. Oreca would also earn their second straight win at Le Mans, with various Vipers finishing in the top six positions in their class. The FFSA GT Championship would see the appearance of Belmondo's Vipers, earning two victories over the season, and the 24 Hours Nürburgring would see Zakspeed claiming overall victory."

"For 2000, Oreca chose to concentrate on North America, leaving the FIA GT Championship to privateers. The team opened the season with one of their most notable victories, winning the 24 Hours of Daytona by a small margin over the new Chevrolet Corvette factory team. Oreca went on to win ten races in the American Le Mans Series, eventually falling to Corvette in two rounds late in the season but once again securing the championship. Oreca would also outperform Corvette at Le Mans, winning their third straight class victory with a seventh-place finish. In FIA GT, the Paul Belmondo and new Carsport Holland teams would run strong and win a collective four races, but would not be able to overcome the five victories by the Lister Storm, forcing the two teams to settle for second and third in the championship. In French GT, the DDO, ART, and MMI squads would combine for a total of eight Viper victories."

Overall
24 Hours Nürburgring 1999, 2001, 2002
Rolex 24 at Daytona 2000
Spa 24 Hours 2001, 2002

Class victory
24 Hours of Le Mans 1998, 1999, 2000
12 Hours of Sebring 2000
Petit Le Mans 1999
Fuji 1000 km 2001

Series Championships
FIA GT Championship 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002
American Le Mans Series 1999, 2000

I like all the Generations, but to call the Generation II a black sheep because of a side pipe preference is kind of silly. Those black sheep are the only Generation with a pretty impressive race history. Homage should be paid, not insults.

[soundkillr]

I could not be more confused by your statement.

What im alluding to, is if anything, most consider the gen 3/4 the black sheep. To many, its too much a blend between an s2000 and a corvette. It's still a good looking car, but never said viper to me. The other gens all stand out more imho.

[RedTanRT/10]

And with equally skilled drivers like at Laguna Seca the Gen V ACR beat the Gen IV by five seconds. Guess it depends how you define “comparable”.

There's more differences, but for a track only comparison,

The Kuhmo's are worth 2 seconds, the extra 40 hp, say 1 second. But the G4 car cost is 50% less.

[06SRTCoupe]

What im alluding to, is if anything, most consider the gen 3/4 the black sheep. To many, its too much a blend between an s2000 and a corvette. It's still a good looking car, but never said viper to me. The other gens all stand out more imho.

Too many? The Gen 3 and 4 combined were in production the same number of years as the Gen 2 and their total production numbers are pretty close to each other. The Gen 3 and 4 look nothing like a Corvette if they are side by side. I won't even comment on the S2000 part. Finally, who is most? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just going off your opinion. Funny post though.


Oh and BTW...when the Gen IV Aacr set the Ring record twice...it pretty much screamed Viper in my eyes.

[soundkillr]

I've been at way to many car shows with car guys in the know, and non car people who always commented "to me the gen 3 and 4 looked alot like a vette, and in some cases a bigger s2000. Don't blame me, I've heard it many times. And the original comment was "to many people it looks like...." not they made too many gen 3 or 4. Sorry that wasn't clear.
Don't get me wrong, I like the gen 3 or 4 but prefer the earlier gens and gen 5

[Stealth78]

Well, I will have to humbly disagree with you on that assessment. Although it was the second Generation, I consider it the blueprint for which all other Vipers have spawned. The body shape, clam shell hood, performance, tire sizes, were all considered crazy back in '96. It is a car icon. Dodge/SRT realized this and the Generation V was created in the II's image. Its acceleration and corning ability were good enough to win their class at Le Mans 3 straight times.

"The Oreca team would strengthen their dominance in FIA GT in 1998, as the team managed to win all but one event in the ten race schedule. Oreca would also take their first class victory at Le Mans with an eleventh place overall finish. Chamberlain continued as a privateer in FIA GT earning several points, as well as earning a 14th-place finish at Daytona. Meanwhile, the Oftedahl Motorsport would purchase a Viper GTS-R and go on to score six class wins in the British GT Championship, including an overall race win at Silverstone and earning Kurt Luby and Richard Dean the drivers' championship."

"For 1999, Oreca's efforts were expanded further, as the team now operated in two championships: A two-car team in the new American Le Mans Series and the existing two car team already competing in FIA GT. FIA GT saw the Vipers once again sweep the series with nine wins for Oreca, and a lone win for the Paul Belmondo Viper. Chamberlain improved their team to finish second in the championship, while GLPK Carsport would be the fourth Viper squad to compete. A similar story occurred in the ALMS, with Oreca winning six races and taking that championship as well. Oreca would also earn their second straight win at Le Mans, with various Vipers finishing in the top six positions in their class. The FFSA GT Championship would see the appearance of Belmondo's Vipers, earning two victories over the season, and the 24 Hours Nürburgring would see Zakspeed claiming overall victory."

"For 2000, Oreca chose to concentrate on North America, leaving the FIA GT Championship to privateers. The team opened the season with one of their most notable victories, winning the 24 Hours of Daytona by a small margin over the new Chevrolet Corvette factory team. Oreca went on to win ten races in the American Le Mans Series, eventually falling to Corvette in two rounds late in the season but once again securing the championship. Oreca would also outperform Corvette at Le Mans, winning their third straight class victory with a seventh-place finish. In FIA GT, the Paul Belmondo and new Carsport Holland teams would run strong and win a collective four races, but would not be able to overcome the five victories by the Lister Storm, forcing the two teams to settle for second and third in the championship. In French GT, the DDO, ART, and MMI squads would combine for a total of eight Viper victories."

Overall
24 Hours Nürburgring 1999, 2001, 2002
Rolex 24 at Daytona 2000
Spa 24 Hours 2001, 2002

Class victory
24 Hours of Le Mans 1998, 1999, 2000
12 Hours of Sebring 2000
Petit Le Mans 1999
Fuji 1000 km 2001

Series Championships
FIA GT Championship 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002
American Le Mans Series 1999, 2000

I like all the Generations, but to call the Generation II a black sheep because of a side pipe preference is kind of silly. Those black sheep are the only Generation with a pretty impressive race history. Homage should be paid, not insults.

I say something about the side exit exhaust and this is what you come back with? Please spare me the Viper history details, I'm not exactly new to this community. It's also rather ironic that you mention that Chrysler realized this and brought the GenV back in the image of the GenII... Funny I don't remember the GenV be introduced with a rear exit exhaust. So apparently Chrysler themselves must agree with me about the exhaust. Thanks for the lesson though.

[SA Heat]

We're glad your S2000 and Corvette opinion is supported by "car guys in the know" (whatever that means) and non car people at car shows. That's about as stupid as the car show comments I've heard about Gen 1/2s being goofy clown shoes and crappy production kit cars.

[SilverACR]

Yep that looks exactly like a G3/4 viper! The car guys in the know really know...

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[soundkillr]

Guys dont get pissed. Send me your addresses and I'll send you corvette key chains. Lol. Im relaying what ive heard multiple times.

[Rmj]

I guess gen v’s have similarities as well?