Does the Gen 6 announcement affect everyone s inflated sense of worth on SE cars

[ViperJon]

Speaking of bad timing, I'm wondering how this is going to affect the BJ auction. Last Demon and "Last" Viper to be auctioned as a pair!?!?

To be honest I don't think being the "last" adds much if any value at all, in the way a celebrity owned car has proven to add nothing.
So basically it's a Demon and a Red Gen V neither of which are hard to find. Will be interesting.

[Policy Limits]

Speaking of bad timing, I'm wondering how this is going to affect the BJ auction. Last Demon and "Last" Viper to be auctioned as a pair!?!?

It won't affect it. I'll be there in first person to watch the hammer fall for seven figures.

[SlateEd]

Although Ford overcame the stigma somewhat with the FGT...nothing that has to be bought at, serviced by and most importantly branded DODGE will ever be considered an exotic.

:-) Dude... what was your license plate on your B+W Gen2? :-)

I agree with your sentiment in general though... The dealership network has a LOT of catching up to do!
I don't think kids make decisions about what posters to hang on the wall because of those pragmatic concerns, and that kind of popularity drives sales when the whole car is totally not practical in the first place. How insane is the maintenance on most 'exotics' and yet people still buy them out of passion.

[ACRSNK]

To be honest I don't think being the "last" adds much if any value at all, in the way a celebrity owned car has proven to add nothing.
So basically it's a Demon and a Red Gen V neither of which are hard to find. Will be interesting.

Tell that to the person that bought any of the Steve McQueen owned vehicles. Pretty sure there might have been some value added considering prior ownership. As far as being the last, I would say that they’re typically is a premium attached to the last of a car like this. Certainly will go for more than the same exact car All else being equal.

[Martin]

This is all deja vu from 2010. Everyone was saying that the Viper was over with, and values did go up a bit. I got lucky in that my car went in 2012 and I got a very good price for it. Then, in 2013, the Gen IV kind of fell off the map and all the talk was around the Gen V. I'm sure some of the special edition Gen IV cars have held their value just fine - that was the last of the cars that didn't have all the nanny devices and electronics.

Same thing will probably happen with the Gen V. If a Gen VI comes out several years from now, all the buzz will be around that, and by then the Gen V might be a bit long in the tooth. That said, I doubt there will be another V10 Viper, I doubt it will be as "raw" as today's cars are (although they're not as raw as the Gen I and Gen II cars by any stretch), but it will likely have some interesting new technologies and it will have evolved. That said, there will always be a market for the "real" Vipers that we've had for the past 25 years. I just can't see Dodge (who knows who will own them four years from now) replicating the Viper as we know it.

We should keep an eye on what they are doing with CAAP. If they are refurbishing it and re-tooling it to produce something new, it'll be interesting to see whether it's an exciting car or not. I'm sure something will leak out to fuel the speculation - just as rumors have flown around for years.

[Policy Limits]

Gen 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10 can all come and go and it will still be immaterial to the fact that the Gen V ACR Extreme is the last V10 made exclusively with a manual transmission in the world. This transcends brands and makes it an important component of supercar history regardless of what the inherently speculative nature of the future might hold.

[ViperJon]

Tell that to the person that bought any of the Steve McQueen owned vehicles. .

Should have clarified.....I meant any celebrity owned Viper.

[Policy Limits]

Historically charity bids there (which this one is) go for big dolla 2 make u holla ...

[Ludington1]

Historically charity bids there (which this one is) go for big dolla 2 make u holla ...

If I'm not mistaken, in charity bids only the amount paid over FMV is the deductible amount and in many cases at B-J auctions the winner immediately donates those items back to the charity to double-dip on the tax benefits.

[Granger73]

To be honest I don't think being the "last" adds much if any value at all, in the way a celebrity owned car has proven to add nothing.
So basically it's a Demon and a Red Gen V neither of which are hard to find. Will be interesting.

I owned the last Corvette ZR1, a 1972 from Gen3 production. It sold at a substantial premium compared to the other ZR’s manufactured during the 1970-‘72 production run.

[Scott_in_fl]

Re-read post #41 and then read today's news:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-but-no-manual

And my point becomes crystal clear. GM has been developing their next gen Vette for several years already and plan on releasing it in 2020.

And we're supposed to believe that FCA, with 1/1000th of the financial and R&D resources of GM, is going to have some re-engineered Viper or other halo car ready for 2021? And it's going to be performance and price competitive??? Impossible.

Moreover, I fail to see how anyone is going to compete with this C8. Again, GM is the 6,000 pound Gorilla and it's finally decided to join the party with a mid-engine platform so that it can bring the fight to the world's best supercars and hypercars. Once they have this platform established, forget about it. It's game over for Ferrari, Lambo and McLaren if GM wants it so. They might be able to continue selling prettier cars, but they won't be selling better performing cars.

[slowhatch]

Moreover, I fail to see how anyone is going to compete with this C8. Again, GM is the 6,000 pound Gorilla and it's finally decided to join the party with a mid-engine platform so that it can bring the fight to the world's best supercars and hypercars. Once they have this platform established, forget about it. It's game over for Ferrari, Lambo and McLaren if GM wants it so. They might be able to continue selling prettier cars, but they won't be selling better performing cars.

Scott, go to sleep, you need some rest.

[AZTVR]

Re-read post #41 and then read today's news:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-but-no-manual

And my point becomes crystal clear. GM has been developing their next gen Vette for several years already and plan on releasing it in 2020.

And we're supposed to believe that FCA, with 1/1000th of the financial and R&D resources of GM, is going to have some re-engineered Viper or other halo car ready for 2021? And it's going to be performance and price competitive??? Impossible. .

Just a note, you linked a so-called "news" post from an internet blog that says their information comes from a linked Car and Driver story. The same Car and Driver magazine that is saying that there will be a 2021 Viper. Why just believe their Corvette story and not their Viper story?

[ViperJon]

The last thing Lambo, Ferrari and Mclaren are worried about is a fast plastic Chevy.

[Jprince]

just a note, you linked a so-called "news" post from an internet blog that says their information comes from a linked car and driver story. The same car and driver magazine that is saying that there will be a 2021 viper. Why just believe their corvette story and not their viper story?

exactly!!

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The last thing Lambo, Ferrari and Mclaren are worried about is a fast plastic Chevy.

Lmao. Exactly

[Policy Limits]

I like when corvette refers to their plastic as "carbon flash" lol

[Bruce H.]

Thanks for the laughs tonight guys, you're too funny

[Scott_in_fl]

Do not underestimate the potential that comes with GM getting into the mid-engine platform. They've done a great job with Front Engine/RWD, but it's been hampered forever by its inability to get the power to the road. However, they've never had an issue making high HP powerplants.

Now that the handling/traction issue should be off the table, and given the near certainty of a dual clutch, and now V8tt power, why is it so unreasonable to believe that Corvette cannot outperform 720S, F488, etc.?

Sure, Mac will have an answer waiting in the wings, and so will the others, but can they win an HP war if that becomes the only differentiator (all the cars are mid-engine, dual clutch) and GM takes them to 800hp and 1,000hp as the article anticipates? Can you imagine Ferrari putting a 1,000hp motor in their volume produced cars? I can't.

The problem is that we're getting to HP levels that may prove difficult to build reliably for the smaller MFG's. American HP can win that game all day long.

I for one, would absolutely choose an 800hp or 1,000hp C8 over a Euro offering with less performance. Maybe you wouldn't.

[ViperJon]

No question that Chevy may very well out perform many exotics on the track Scott.....but it will never out perform them in the Starbucks parking lot where 99% of them reside. And that's why people with dough buy them and not Corvettes. Any corvette.

[ViperSRT]

Scott how did GM go bankrupt with all those advantages? Oh, and GM produced a mid engine sports car in the 1980’s. Great success. Counting GM’s chickens before they have hatched is unwise.

[ViperDC]

Scott, go to sleep, you need some rest.

lol

[Scott_in_fl]

Scott how did GM go bankrupt with all those advantages? Oh, and GM produced a mid engine sports car in the 1980’s. Great success. Counting GM’s chickens before they have hatched is unwise.

You do realize that GM sells something like 3M units annually? Their Q1 2018 sales revenue was $36.1B.

Care to guess what percentage of that is sold by Ferrari? McLaren?

Try $800M for Ferrari, which is barely 2% of what GM does.

[nitromilt]

Well spoken,Amen
Plastic Chevy..... lmfao

[kriskyk]

You do realize that GM sells something like 3M units annually? Their Q1 2018 sales revenue was $36.1B.

Care to guess what percentage of that is sold by Ferrari? McLaren?

Try $800M for Ferrari, which is barely 2% of what GM does.

Yea it's called margin.....

[slowhatch]

Do not underestimate the potential that comes with GM getting into the mid-engine platform. They've done a great job with Front Engine/RWD, but it's been hampered forever by its inability to get the power to the road. However, they've never had an issue making high HP powerplants.

Now that the handling/traction issue should be off the table, and given the near certainty of a dual clutch, and now V8tt power, why is it so unreasonable to believe that Corvette cannot outperform 720S, F488, etc.?

Sure, Mac will have an answer waiting in the wings, and so will the others, but can they win an HP war if that becomes the only differentiator (all the cars are mid-engine, dual clutch) and GM takes them to 800hp and 1,000hp as the article anticipates? Can you imagine Ferrari putting a 1,000hp motor in their volume produced cars? I can't.

The problem is that we're getting to HP levels that may prove difficult to build reliably for the smaller MFG's. American HP can win that game all day long.

I for one, would absolutely choose an 800hp or 1,000hp C8 over a Euro offering with less performance. Maybe you wouldn't.

I read this and it sounds like a guy at the ground floor of a tower looking up and shaking his fist; "I wouldn't buy that penthouse anyway! I can buy the same square footage for half the price down here".

Some people want a view. Some people also value more than performance numbers in a vehicle.