DSCSport V3 Controller now compatible with factory OEM shocks

[DSCSport]

Hi Bruce,

You do have great taste in cars! Unfortunately at this time the controllers are not interchangeable between cars, you would have to get a car specific controller.

Thanks

[DSCSport]

Im with you! Group discount?

Hi Anton, we wouldn't mind a introductory group buy. If anyone wants to set one up we would work with you.

Thank you

[parabs]

Hi Anton, we wouldn't mind a introductory group buy. If anyone wants to set one up we would work with you.

Thank you

How about group buy on the complete tractive suspension upgrade?

[Anton28]

Hi Anton, we wouldn't mind a introductory group buy. If anyone wants to set one up we would work with you.

Thank you

Who’s with me?

[bassplayrr]

I'm in for the intro group buy on the controller, assuming it works equally well on the TA suspension.

[One Viper Bite]

Who’s with me?

Before I'm in, I need proof this works. Can we get a controller shipped to any of us to test in Las Vegas for NVE3? Or I can test it at a track day I have scheduled in May.

[sharmut]

DSCsport,

For the DSC-Controller only:
Is there G table data comparing the OE street mode vs the DSC shipped calibration?
Does it ship with 2 calibrations so the user can toggle the map via the race and street buttons? If so what calibration map is stored in which position?

[sharmut]

Before I'm in, I need proof this works. Can we get a controller shipped to any of us to test in Las Vegas for NVE3? Or I can test it at a track day I have scheduled in May.

This would be awesome to see actual lap times with and without the DSC-Controller only. Do you have the TA springs and swaybar package in your GTC?

[parabs]

Who’s with me?

I'm with you if we are doing the full tractives, otherwise I'm out.

[Bruce H.]

Thanks Sharmut. I'm linking the video directly here as well. We are working on a F.A.Q. as well. Hope that will help.

Has this been in-car tested on a Gen V yet with just the controller or is the DSC controller program at this point just based on the stock shock dyno test measurements and your knowledge of suspensions and Bilstein damper tuning on the Ford Focus? And if no in-car testing yet, do you have any planned, and would you not expect there to be considerable adjustment to the program until you establish optimized base maps to be used under different owner performance goals like street vs drag vs road course? I believe optimizing the controller programming process with the Tractive dampers was a very lengthy process. Thanks in advance.

Bruce

[DSCSport]

Has this been in-car tested on a Gen V yet with just the controller or is the DSC controller program at this point just based on the stock shock dyno test measurements and your knowledge of suspensions and Bilstein damper tuning on the Ford Focus? And if no in-car testing yet, do you have any planned, and would you not expect there to be considerable adjustment to the program until you establish optimized base maps to be used under different owner performance goals like street vs drag vs road course? I believe optimizing the controller programming process with the Tractive dampers was a very lengthy process. Thanks in advance.

Bruce

Hi Bruce, we have extensively tested the controller on our very own Viper. This was all done on the Viper and not on the Focus. Future maps will be uploaded to the DSCSport.com website for download, but the controllers will come with a basemap.

[One Viper Bite]

This would be awesome to see actual lap times with and without the DSC-Controller only. Do you have the TA springs and swaybar package in your GTC?

This is my thinking. With the controller being easily swappable, I could test them back to back at NVE3 during the track event.

I do not have the TA springs and sways unfortunately. I couldn't get it with the interior options I selected. I might add the TA sways and alignment down the road.

[SilveRT8]

Hi Bruce, we have extensively tested the controller on our very own Viper. This was all done on the Viper and not on the Focus. Future maps will be uploaded to the DSCSport.com website for download, but the controllers will come with a basemap.

Good that it’s based on the Viper!
Does the basemap come with Street and Track setting, so that we can switch from one to the other with the dash buttons ?
I would like my TA with a smooth street setting for our rough Quebec streets.
For the Track setting, I’m sure yours will be fine

[13COBRA]

I'm not saying this product doesn't work with the factory suspension, but I'm very hesitant to believe that it does.

[Anton28]

Before I'm in, I need proof this works. Can we get a controller shipped to any of us to test in Las Vegas for NVE3? Or I can test it at a track day I have scheduled in May.

I'm in for the full coilover set up I need ride hight adjustability.

[Dr.Ron]

I'd want to see actual before and after lap time comparisons as well...and from a neutral 3rd party (a forum member/potential buyer). DSCSPORT, how can this be realized? It seems that would convert folks on the fence.

Ron

[Bruce H.]

And the change in damper performance will also be affected by the rest of the car's set-up with track tires and race brake pads testing the performance limits of the dampers far more than a car running P-Zeros and base brakes.

You'd need to establish exactly how the comparison is to be made to give the resulting data and subjective feedback credibility to those who understand the challenges of testing.

[Dr.Ron]

Maybe 1 test bone stock and one on a car that has slicks and track pads.

[Dr.Ron]

So, did anyone get to test the controller out in Vegas?

[Topplayer]

So, did anyone get to test the controller out in Vegas?

I dont think so

[Dr.Ron]

Well that won't help things!

[SilveRT8]

Hi Bruce, we have extensively tested the controller on our very own Viper. This was all done on the Viper and not on the Focus. Future maps will be uploaded to the DSCSport.com website for download, but the controllers will come with a basemap.

Hi DSC,
Could you tell us what type of Viper you had to do the Basemap, GTS or TA ?
What is the standard Basemap that comes with the controller ? Street, Track or a combo of the 2 ? Will we be able to use the dash buttons to toglle between a Street and Track setting as per the OE controller ?
I'm really looking forward to know these answers as I would like to order this unit for my TA 2.0
I'll do a track day at Tremblant on May 11 and again on May 23, so I could see the difference the new Controller makes.
On May 23, Bruce H will be there with me, so we could also try the Controller on his TA, as he has extensive knowledge about how the stock controller react on track.
I could also review the Street setting as the track is a 2 hour drive from the rough streets of Montreal.

[Dr.Ron]

Based on the lack of DSC's responses and requested information, I have to say that I'd be quite hesitant to purchase this!

[DSCSport]

We appreciate your interest in our DSC Sport controller. Here are the questions that weren't answered in the video that might help the group.

Is this tuned/compatible for the TA suspension?
Yes, DSC Sport controller and its tune are compatible for ALL Gen-5 Viper models.

Does this unit makes adjustments in real time?
Yes it does. DSC Sport controller reads the sensor data from the vehicle's CAN(Control Area Network) system, using the g-force, throttle position, braking pressure, steering angle, and vehicle speed data, DSC commands the individual dampers to optimize comfort and performance in near real time(the reaction time of OEM dampers is ~100 milliseconds).

Plug & play? How is the installation?
Yes it is Plug & Play. It is a very simple swap. Takes 5 minutes or less. The controller is located next to the battery.
Here's a link for the installation from the DSC Sport website-
http://www.dscsport.com/installation...-e6c4a658-5dde


If the user tunes it? If so, how do we know where to set it-trial & error?
DSC Sport controller comes with our standard map loaded in. Our standard map is very good. Most DSC users across different car models(from Porsche GT3, to Corvette Z06, to Nissan GT-R, to Ford GT350) enjoy the improvement of our standard map "as is" over the OEM settings. However, if you want to make changes to your personal preference it can be done using DSC tuning software.


What levels of adjustability do we get from this new controller that retains the stock dampers?
The controller is not new, we have been using the same proven DSC sport controller for Gen-5 Viper Tractive dampers since 2015. What is new is our calibration file to control and extract the full potential of the OEM dampers.
On the Gen-5 Viper OEM dampers, these are two position dampers(as oppose to linear range dampers), DSC stages the two positions in sequence to optimize comfort and performance of the OEM dampers.


Are the response times similar?
The OEM damper's reaction time is ~100ms(milliseconds). Tractive dampers are 6ms. While the OEM damper is not as fast reacting as Tractive dampers, the reaction time is faster than a human's eye blink(which averages at 200ms), and its fast enough make active changes during braking, corner entry, and exit on race tracks.


Does it make the stock dampers capable of making mid stroke adjustments the way the Tractive dampers can?
No, the limitation here is not the controller, the limitation is the OEM damper. The same limitation applies to the OEM Porsche GT3/Turbo and OEM Nissan GT-R/Nismo production line dampers. Despite the limitation DSC has proven to satisfy the most discriminating sports car drivers by making the changes at the beginning of the stroke and near the end of the stroke.


The Gen-V Viper has ride height sensors?
No, Vipers don't have ride height sensors.


If it's not able to make the OEM dampers active, then what does "tuning" based off of those parameters mean?
DSC Sport controller does actively command the OEM dampers.


I currently have Tractive suspension and wondering if theres a difference and I should upgrade to this new chip?
There is no different chip in the controller. The DSC Sport controller is the same proven hardware for both OEM and Tractive dampers. The only difference is the calibration file we now offer calibration file to OEM dampers.


Is the rear shock a valving upgrade only or do they also change the spring rate? Also, any idea when was this updated valving and calibration made available?
For Tractive dampers, we offer a damper valving upgrade, and we offer remoter canister upgrade. The upgrades are available now.



If its only a open or closed position than I don't see what it can do but open and close it faster? or more often?
It is true that the OEM dampers work only in two positions(valve open or valve closed). When cornering DSC Sport controller commands the dampers to be in the softer position during initial body roll to "set" the tires, and then command the dampers to go into the firmer position to limit the body roll. This strategy prevents overloading of the tires during initial weight transfer thus improving traction and feel. Active weight transfer management is what DSC Sport products are all about.

[DSCSport]

What aspect of performance should buyers expect to notice an appreciable improvement?
DSC users can expect a noticeable improvement stability, and grip. Making the car more fun to drive.


And where do you see the choice of the full DSC/Tractive being the better solution?
DSC controls any damper to their full potential. Of course, a set of Tractive dampers that cost $6K outperforms OEM dampers by a large margin in every aspect. Those who have installed Tractive dampers absolutely love them for their superiority in road comfort and track performance. For those who prefer to retain the OEM dampers that came with the car, DSC will noticeably improve the driving experience for a fraction of the cost of a full system.



Someone that has actual knowledge of the system's mechanicals please chime in. It is my understanding the oem bi-mode bilsteins equipped on ALL of our vehicles (aside from the ACRs and base SRTs), change their damping rate by changing the reservoir volume. You have volume A (street setting), and volume B (track setting). There is a valve that controls this behavior (flow), on/off, to the remote reservoirs. How are we getting infinite real time changes in a system that (to my knowledge) only allows for 2 firm mechanical hi/low limits. Someone mentioned retrofitting the dampers with another real-time controllable valve?? Which, as someone else pointed out would then allow damping changes within the fixed volume set by Bilstein. Unless the controller is able to change the valve and amount of fluid in the damper vs. the reservoir hundreds of times a minute, how does it make our stock dampers active vs. passive?

In this context of setting A and setting B for this type of OEM damper, with A being the softer of the two settings, DSC Sport controller does the following:

1) Driving over a speed bump starts in setting A, at the peak of the speed bump the g-force changes direction, DSC commands setting B to eliminate or greatly reduce the oscillations after the peak of the bump.

2) Aggressive braking starts in setting A, allowing the the tire to set, as brake line pressure and g-force increase DSC commands setting B to slow down the weight transfer to increase braking grip, thus increasing the threshold before ABS engagement.

3) Launching the car from standstill DSC uses the same 'two-stage ' damping improve grip.

While active "two-stage" damping is not as good as active infinitely variable damping throughout the stroke but it is a big step up from passive.

We feel that the DSC Sport controller is a great mod. Short of a full DSC/Tractive system, there isn't any other suspension mod that offers active weight transfer management to enhance.