DSCSport V3 Controller now compatible with factory OEM shocks

[FLATOUT]

I'm looking forward to hearing how this resolves. If the stock GTS Bilsteins come with magnetic fluid, (to my knowledge they don't make magnetic fluid shocks) then theoretically there should be infinite adjustability atleast within the confines of the softest and hardest dampening the stock hardware will permit. If in fact there is a valve that simply opens and closes allowing for the shock to essentially grow and shrink with reference to the reservoir I can't see how the system could react fast enough to be a true Active suspension. Possibly if said valve turned into an active part open partially when the sensors deem fit to have real time adjustments, I guess its plausible. At least this way the system would still be an upgrade, just not as good as a full magnetic ride. Sure wish someone could chime in and settle this. Hope everybody has a good day.

The Tractives have a proprietary DDA valve that does just that, but it was all designed that way, not sure how much or how quickly the factory setup adjusts.

[slowhatch]

Essentially...

[CNU_Physics]

I'm looking forward to hearing how this resolves. If the stock GTS Bilsteins come with magnetic fluid, (to my knowledge they don't make magnetic fluid shocks) then theoretically there should be infinite adjustability atleast within the confines of the softest and hardest dampening the stock hardware will permit. If in fact there is a valve that simply opens and closes allowing for the shock to essentially grow and shrink with reference to the reservoir I can't see how the system could react fast enough to be a true Active suspension. Possibly if said valve turned into an active part open partially when the sensors deem fit to have real time adjustments, I guess its plausible. At least this way the system would still be an upgrade, just not as good as a full magnetic ride. Sure wish someone could chime in and settle this. Hope everybody has a good day.

Even it was possible to have the valve work like that, I would worry about the longevity of a valve not designed to constantly adjust all the time.

[One Viper Bite]

Just spoke with Mike Levitas and he is sending me some more info. He says their new version works with the factory setup but he wants us to test it as well on a car here. If it works it will be a nice little upgrade over stock. It won't be like the full tractive setup which is similar to the Porsche, Corvette, GTR versions when only the dsc is added so we will see how much we can actually change the factory dampers via the calibration. I'll see if he can send me one for NVE3 and I will swap it out on one of your cars and play around with it a little.

Andy

Andy, I'll be at NVE3 and would be interested in testing them out on my car.

Let me know.

[slowhatch]

Andy, I'll be at NVE3 and would be interested in testing them out on my car.

Let me know.

There is nothing to test, it doesn't do anything. You have two piston sets in your bilsteins and there is no way to affect operation outside of switching to one or the other.

[Anton28]

Whomever is answering on behalf of DSC has no business on this thread. Why are they advertising a product for this car without any type of testing. Clearly this is not for a gen 5 bolt on application.

With that said, I have been looking in to the full coil over set up......

[Anton28]

The Tractives have a proprietary DDA valve that does just that, but it was all designed that way, not sure how much or how quickly the factory setup adjusts.

Any current discounts on the full tractive set up?

[parabs]

Any current discounts on the full tractive set up?

If there is a sale I may be compelled to pull the trigger myself!

[Anton28]

If there is a sale I may be compelled to pull the trigger myself!

Im with you! Group discount?

[Crotalidae]

Im with you! Group discount?

I'd be interested as well...

[parabs]

Im with you! Group discount?

@andywheeler

How many do we need for a group buy? And what kind of deal are we getting?

[sharmut]

Even it was possible to have the valve work like that, I would worry about the longevity of a valve not designed to constantly adjust all the time.

Good point. While not the scenario as repeated high frequency valve changes, do recall Mark J, mentioning the OE settings automatically change the mode from street to race when the vehicle speed reaches certain threshold.

[sharmut]

I'll keep you guys in the loop and Mike will post something up in here to address some questions/concerns.

It's the racing season from TPC and VE so info is usually coming out while they are at the track. I believe they are at Barber right now.

Hi Andy,

Does TPC have data of lap time comparisons with DSC-Controller Only vs OE Bilstein dampers? If so, willing to share?

[cubeman]

I'll be sending my module out for an update probably this week or whenever possible, also getting quote on the rebuild for the rear.

[8400cc]

What a shame. I suspected this to be the result. Wondering what the product actually does and if its worth considering. After all this research, switching to magnetic surely seems to be the way to go, to bad the solution is 7 grand not 7 hundred. Oh well.

[CNU_Physics]

Good point. While not the scenario as repeated high frequency valve changes, do recall Mark J, mentioning the OE settings automatically change the mode from street to race when the vehicle speed reaches certain threshold.

Really? I had no idea it did that. Do you know what the speed parameter is for that?

[Bruce H.]

I generally track on a road course in Street Mode as I find the added compliance allows it to transition better in slower speed corners and esses and provides more grip accelerating out of lower speed corners. Never noticed any degrading of performance in the high speed sections so I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that it does automatically switch to Race Mode and back again.

Spring rates are good but damper valving is too stiff in Race Mode, at least on the '14 TA. This is where I noticed the full DSC/Tractive really shines...like you'd also expect other good race shocks would compared to factory. It's all in the valving, both low and high shaft speed curves.

[DSCSport]

I am sorry for the lack of communication about the Viper DSCSport controller. We have been busy IMSA racing. We hope to answer all your questions soon. We do appreciate all the input and questions and want to make sure we answer them all the best we can.


Just wanted to post some videos that might help answer some questions.


Michael Levitas talks about the controller
https://youtu.be/q26H3jTK8CI

We have a series of videos on tuning your controller
https://youtu.be/EOEYYYDW3bg

Discussing Active Suspension
https://youtu.be/M_VbVgELAWs

https://youtu.be/-nOYsPNaNqI


Thank you for your patience.

[Dr.Ron]

I think we really need Gen V Viper specific real world answers and data with & without only the controller installed...The info on the other cars just tells us how it works on those other cars, not ours (a Gen V Viper).

Hopefully that info comes sooner rather than later.
Ron

[cashcorn]

Bump on the VE Tractives.

[sharmut]

Really? I had no idea it did that. Do you know what the speed parameter is for that?

I'l have to dig up the thread, but recall it was 100mph and gear dependent. The lower gears had a lower threshold.

[mjorgensen]

According to the engineer responsible for the factory shock selection on the Viper the stock shocks have absolutely zero magnetic ability... so no real reason for debate.

[ViperGeorge]

According to the engineer responsible for the factory shock selection on the Viper the stock shocks have absolutely zero magnetic ability... so no real reason for debate.

You're back!! We need your knowledgeable insights!

[Anton28]

According to the engineer responsible for the factory shock selection on the Viper the stock shocks have absolutely zero magnetic ability... so no real reason for debate.

Exactly. I don't know why the DSC rep keeps stringing this conversation along.....

[darbgnik]

The Tractive shocks are also not magnetoreological(sic) either...... they have a specific valve that allows more adjustments per second than the mag ride GM uses, to call it mag ride is an under sell.......

More than one way to skin a cat so they say, more ways than magnetic particles in the fluid as well.